Quoted from noitbe1:This update says basically there is no update and, beside of the tone with « happy birthday » mention, it feels like RM is frustrated as well and is hiding things regarding probably manufacturing problems.
They are really acting like they no longer trust on their Raza and no longer root (no joke) for their first pin and maybe are already thinking of the 2nd title hoping the boat will be still be afloat...
Seriously, i don’t think they could survive to a big fail regarding their first pin, they HAVE to make it right...

Quoted from littlecammi:

If this latest message means they are just trying to get away from RAZA and move on to a game they feel will sell better, then they can issue refunds to those who bail and announce that there are too few orders left to justify making RAZA. The remaining few (including Zidware people) would then be given the choice of a refund or changing their order to the next game. You might ask why not just offer everyone this option now? Two reasons: (1) because they want to blame dropping RAZA on the people taking a refund, and (2) they intend to price the next game a lot higher now that they know they priced RAZA too low.
It's much worse if they are trying to get out from under RAZA but have no plans to move on to another title.

Quoted from NashtyFunk:

Crazy is always in the eye of the beholder. Granted buying a pin shouldn’t carry the same risk of say buying crypto or investing in stocks, but that’s how I have to look at this one.
Either I’m going to get something that I think is awesome, or I’m gonna be stuck holding an empty bag. Either way there’s nothing I can do to change what the eventual outcome is going to be, so might as well just ride it out.

Quoted from wrb1977:

The labor shortage is very real because “someone” thought it would be a good idea to increase and extend unemployment benefits til God knows when and as a result many people are making more money sitting at home than they would be working. It is a major problem right now.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Appreciate your input and advise. We will let you know how it goes. Thanks again.

Quoted from Yelobird:

No worries. Join your reality and have fun!

Quoted from Yelobird:

Good for you making your own decisions! Never figure out how this ever became personal buyers vs the non-buyers debate? Dislike the company but hard to see how this needs to be personal against us or our decision. Odd though not concerning.

Quoted from wrb1977:

I would never try to convince anyone on what to do in this situation. You have to make the decision that’s best for you. That being said, here are my honest thoughts...
Deeproot did not sell as many RAZAs as they initially were hoping, but I don’t think they were surprised by it because of the negativity surrounding them, their many failed launches and delays, and the many other failed start-ups.
The price point for RAZA was insane considering the features. There is twice as much “stuff” as a Stern Pro which costs more. The RAZA Ae was $5899 if I remember correctly. They were never going to make much money on this title at that price point which leads me to my next point.
They no longer care how many RAZAs they manufacture and ship. Whether it’s 130 or 30, as long as they deliver.
The whole point of RAZA is proof of concept, manufacturing, delivery, customer service, and everything that comes after customers have the pins in their homes. If they pull this off, even with a very small production run, the tide will turn in deeproot’s favor. Which leads me to my final point.
They already disclosed future standard pricing. If I remember correctly it was $8k for the Ae and $13k for the Xtra. At those price points, with a title like Goonies, there will be real money to be made. And those price points are very competitive right now, especially when you consider all the additional features a deeproot pin has that their competition doesn’t.
In summary, RAZA is just to get their feet wet, learn the ropes, and show what they can do from a design and gameplay standpoint...not make money...that will come later “if” they can pull this off. I know one thing, if RAZA actually ships and deeproot survives, you will never be able to get a pin again with that many features at that price point and I’ll be happy to own one.
Final thought...I’d say we can put to rest the idea that this is some sort of elaborate scam. Deeproot already made whole some Zidware customers and are now offering RAZA refunds to those that want them...enough said.

Quoted from wrb1977:

I would never try to convince anyone on what to do in this situation. You have to make the decision that’s best for you. That being said, here are my honest thoughts...
Deeproot did not sell as many RAZAs as they initially were hoping, but I don’t think they were surprised by it because of the negativity surrounding them, their many failed launches and delays, and the many other failed start-ups.
The price point for RAZA was insane considering the features. There is twice as much “stuff” as a Stern Pro which costs more. The RAZA Ae was $5899 if I remember correctly. They were never going to make much money on this title at that price point which leads me to my next point.
They no longer care how many RAZAs they manufacture and ship. Whether it’s 130 or 30, as long as they deliver some. They probably wouldn’t mind many getting refunds as there simply isn’t any money to be made on this title. If it seems like they are almost encouraging refunds, well, maybe they are?
The whole point of RAZA is proof of concept, manufacturing, delivery, customer service, and everything that comes after customers have the pins in their homes. If they pull this off, even with a very small production run, the tide will turn in deeproot’s favor. Which leads me to my final point.
They already disclosed future standard pricing. If I remember correctly it was $8k for the Ae and $13k for the Xtra. At those price points, with a title like Goonies, there will be real money to be made. And those price points are very competitive right now, especially when you consider all the additional features a deeproot pin has that their competition doesn’t.
In summary, RAZA

I would never try to convince anyone on what to do in this situation. You have to make the decision that’s best for you. That being said, here are my honest thoughts...
Deeproot did not sell as many RAZAs as they initially were hoping, but I don’t think they were surprised by it because of the negativity surrounding them, their many failed launches and delays, and the many other failed start-ups.
The price point for RAZA was insane considering the features. There is twice as much “stuff” as a Stern Pro which costs more. The RAZA Ae was $5899 if I remember correctly. They were never going to make much money on this title at that price point which leads me to my next point.
They no longer care how many RAZAs they manufacture and ship. Whether it’s 130 or 30, as long as they deliver some. They probably wouldn’t mind many getting refunds as there simply isn’t any money to be made on this title. If it seems like they are almost encouraging refunds, well, maybe they are?
The whole point of RAZA is proof of concept, manufacturing, delivery, customer service, and everything that comes after customers have the pins in their homes. If they pull this off, even with a very small production run, the tide will turn in deeproot’s favor. Which leads me to my final point.
They already disclosed future standard pricing. If I remember correctly it was $8k for the Ae and $13k for the Xtra. At those price points, with a title like Goonies, there will be real money to be made. And those price points are very competitive right now, especially when you consider all the additional features a deeproot pin has that their competition doesn’t.
In summary, RAZA is just to get their feet wet, learn the ropes, and show what they can do from a design and gameplay standpoint...not make money...that will come later “if” they can pull this off. I know one thing, if RAZA actually ships and deeproot survives, you will never be able to get a pin again with that many features at that price point and I’ll be happy to own one.
Final thought...I’d say we can put to rest the idea that this is some sort of elaborate scam. Deeproot already made whole some Zidware customers and are now offering RAZA refunds to those that want them...enough said.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:I do too. Who said that?
I just said he's not "hiding" problems just because he doesn't tell you in detail each single one they have.
It is obvious they have problems, otherwise the game would be out in the wild.
The rest, yeah, well... they should propably share something, but they haven't up until now, so why start now?
And if their problems are bigger then they made it sound it would also fall back on them.
But time IS money indeed...

Quoted from Haymaker:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bro-please-bro-just-try-it
I'm sorry, sometimes I forget I'm talking to boomers on here

Quoted from Makakka:

Had a nightmare tonight my mobile was trickstolen on the street.
Dream analysis is saying its the fear of a massive trust breach and disappointment. Its the fear we get another disfunctional update another bummer.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

A large pre-order waiting list of people that weren’t interested at half the price for the whole month of ordering opportunity, but are in line now to pay double? Sounds like RM all right.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Being a bit hard on yourself. Most understand this would be a long run option. Kind of like Halloween in a way. Most will wait 12 plus months till that game ships likely more but it will come eventually. I had no expectations this game would launch fast and still feel its well worth the wait.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Huh? I simply said he will likely wait 12 months for Halloween also. Try not to read to much into it.

Quoted from Fulltilt:Yeah, Ben’s negative comments showing increasing vitriol towards John , and therefore DeepRoot, continue to flow.
That’s in part due to his going to look like an even bigger dolt if they ship a machine.

Quoted from Mbecker:

Interesting.. I guess I hadn’t known or realized AMH came AFTER the zidware debacle. Yes - the whole coming to your house to build the game was over-the-top .. there were a lotta interesting years there. Probably why DR gets so much attention- it’s about the last pinball drama going on right now. Still a lotta Lewbowski EAs out there but very slowly the games are getting to them and DP is coming around. What else is left?

Quoted from Frax:

Oh my god, has it really been almost 10 years?

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

That poster proves how bat shit crazy Jpop is. And why Ben ran away screaming. And why everyone else should have. “Mystery Mechs”, “super goodie bag”, DIY pinball kit, “play the trailer”, “Two Shooters”. Jesus H. Christ, stop the madness.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

You keep saying Yelobird that you only care about eventually getting the game, and that none of the other stuff matters. Except that it's not enough to just get the game, you need to be able to get spare parts when stuff breaks. You need to be able to get technical support, especially with a brand new platform. And so deeproot piball needs to still exist to get that stuff.
Just talk to Heighway Alien owners about what happens when the boutique manufacturer of your bespoke game goes belly up.

Quoted from littlecammi:

What do the RAZA pre-order guys think of a RAZA pre-order guy who hopes that Deeproot fails and goes bankrupt - but only after he gets his own RAZA delivered ? Figuring the fewer Deeproot games that are ever produced the more his rare RAZA will be worth?

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Oh I agree, this situation is very LOL all right! But I don't think we're laughing for the same reasons. And I do have a hard time believing that at least few RAZA pre-order people aren't just a smidge bothered by the lack of communication or the continuing delays.
Part of the reason I even post here is because I was very nearly a pre-order person myself. I had the game in my cart and everything, but I decided against it at the last moment. So part of my interest is in imagining what I'd be going through if I had actually completed that order, and I certainly wouldn't be a happy camper!

Quoted from wamonkey:

Who said we are not bothered by it - I would say quite the contrary, but what can you do. It is a gamble on a small deposit now and that is what it has been for a while. Very concerned...but what can you do?
Hard not to believe Ben Heck this thing died a while ago no one called the coroner to confirm the time of death or notify the next of kin.

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Sorry Iceman, I guess I was feeling a bit honery at the time

Quoted from wamonkey:

Oh trust me - I would be worried to just pay up without seeing something.
Hard not to think with this missed deadline that this is not good. I heard the idea By Kenada that it’s a sample to bring people in for the investment, and the lack of a response kind of underwhelmed.
Who knows…

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

My post was offensive and angry?
I thought I just made a jokey joke.
Oh well. Agree to disagree!

Quoted from iceman44:

“Main guys still have jobs and working away on future titles”
“Stern has put a stranglehold on the supply chain. “

Quoted from Mr68:

Well, if that's Deeproot, all I can say is, it's about f@#*ing time.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

No, only new podcasts with old interviews with Robert, cut to be the ultimate troll episodes.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

It‘s cut into a monologue.
And yes RM said all that, there has nothing been altered. But we know all that (old stuff) and it‘s brought up every day, so there is no value in that podcast other then sheer trolling for entertainment purposes.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I missed that "public service" part. Is Kaneda now transmitting podcasts into the past or for whom is this helpful at this point with orderbanks closed for 7 months?
Fact is, there is no new information. And for the sole hypothetical customer that ordered a game from DR without knowing about all the broken promises, well... he doesn't know that promises, so he doesn't care. He/ She will also never read what you wrote and don't listen to Kanedas podcast either.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

My point is, for whom is this information helpful, besides for you to troll?
Noone argues that Deeproot didn't deliver (yet); we all know that.
It's just shouting "he's dead" for several hours after the funeral is over is annoying.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Ok, I'm corrected. (Partially. This guy just ignored the negative nancy.)
I'm glad this guys life got so much better, now that he's in the know and can doubt his purchase every day.

Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

Quoted from adamross:I too hope some day I have so much money that I can use it as toilet paper.

Quoted from frankmac:

This update “SUCKS”!!!!!

Quoted from frankmac:

I will have my “Retro Atomic ~ULTRAMAN ~ before RAZA..

Quoted from Yesh23:

lawsuit with investors.....not going to end well

Quoted from DakotaMike:

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LOL. Man, no one has a sense of humor around pinside these days.
And if you've been following the thread, then you know my meme was on point!

Quoted from NashtyFunk:

RAZA has been racing my TBL. Cointaker just took the final payment on that, so I'm guess it's going to win.
Now it's RAZA vs Ultraman.
Next will be RAZA vs Godzilla.
After that...maybe RAZA vs Ritchie's first JJP title.....

Quoted from wamonkey:

Seriously - over $100K in deposits - maybe...
Call me a fool but I will not spend hundreds to get my $600 back - It was a bet, I lost, move on. Shit I have dumped more then that into a restore of a pinball and never recovered it.
I genuinely thought the theme was interesting, I liked the art, etc. I did not look at this as some FOMO limited edition non-playing Magic Girl to make $$$ on.

Quoted from transprtr4u:

missed something .... is it official that they are done ?
or just more speculation !

Quoted from kklank:

Wait a second…….Ben, we’re you going to tell everybody you guys were best buds?? Lol.
Interesting.

Quoted from Yelobird:

And I thought we all loved to rehash Every word/event in RAZA history or is that only select events. None the less seemed like a happy team of creators.

Quoted from Yelobird:

And I thought we all loved to rehash Every word/event in RAZA history or is that only select events. None the less seemed like a happy team of creators.

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Quoted from Yelobird:

Sorry the research department is in the other thread. I kid…. You guys have fun

Quoted from mrbillishere:

OK, so let me see if I have got this straight... About 8 days ago deepRoot sends their customers a periodic update, and in that update they indicated that they are involved in a lawsuit.
Then two days ago-ish the pinside sleuths determine that because they (deepRoot) have removed their presence from social media and LinkedIn, they must be closing down as opposed to hardening their defenses while litigation occurs.
Hmmmmm

Quoted from Mbecker:

True but he also stated he wasn’t suing.. so that doesn’t seem to be the lawsuit subject?

Quoted from NoQuarters:I think you might be referencing this post on the page one of the thread ? His deal - but yeah that's quite a big bet.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Do you Really think I would share Any of my actual purchase decisions with you or this group lololol. Yes I bought 16 games and paid double list value for Extra Led lights. Lol. You guys really need to stop worrying about every one else. Truly mind blowing how many hours of your life you have invested in this witch hunt. Go do something productive or spend time with family. I assure you all we will let you know how this plays out.

Quoted from BigBalls:

Wish we we’re at a bar next to each other right now.

Quoted from greatwichjohn:

Just posting what I may know or not towards RAZA. Anyone in on it can decide for themselves. I will be around to guide groups if they seek out my pinball knowledge. Which is what I am doing now. There are likely a number of new pinball upstarts in 2022 with games. The waters are not cold anymore! Just like new Fathom games, & others in the pipeline.

Quoted from greatwichjohn:

What I am saying is if you think Raza is totally dead you could be wrong in the long term. Only if Deep Root goes under, or if someone buys out the remains & shelves everything that was done over the years. We find out that Raza still needs more money to get it fully working (no pinbar), & fully coded.
A new upstart is likely to start with 1 or more other pinball projects of their own to get their name going. Raza if available & money backing could be done when ready. Either a small amount 100, or 1000+ run. Most new companies will follow the model of a title in production run only once & done. Move on to the next title for production, & never go back to it.
So if you are following there is likely 1 - 5 new companies getting into the pinball field for 2022. Not hard to believe with past history & the increased demand going on all over the world. Also you would think that all the big players will announce more production & titles soon moving forward. Dutch Pinball should increase their production even more & plan on another title next year. Homepin is a wild card for next year.

Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

It seems like nothing short of a personal phone call from Robert stating that the games will not be made will convince you... or would you still doubt that and still just wait indefinitely? Deeproot is dead, and Robert isn't going to state this plainly any time soon, or possibly ever. Sorry man.

Quoted from wamonkey:

I think they should close down the website, take down the option for people to see people's info.
They have scrubbed their presence from elsewhere if they want to keep in touch with buyers for whatever reason create a private Facebook users group which has been mentioned before.

Quoted from Rarehero:

There's nothing worth buying. No one needs the toxicity, debt, lies, and BS that come along with this title. There's no value. Jpop isn't a brand that can move product. He's an anchor.

Make sure you don't give them money until they can prove they have a factory & have games in boxes ready to ship.

They can barely get all their orders built due to parts shortages.

They still owe 100's of EA's their games. They need to make those buyers whole before taking more money for another game.

Quoted from kklank:

These machines can still be made. Time will tell.

Quoted from kklank:

No interest in answering a single fucking question you ask me.

Quoted from greatwichjohn:

I agree a nice looking pinball machine. If the samples & info became available. The first thing that would be done is to play test & tweak the design a little I think for the ramps, mechs, farris wheel. Leave the art alone. Make sure full rule set is ready to go. Anyone going forward would do this ASAP, & not waste a lot of time. If the worst happens & we never see this game made I hope the prototypes go to a museum so they can be seen.
There is still many things we do not know from Deep Root or their employees. How many playfields were made, cabinets, parts, etc. You would think there has to be something, & not nothing with all the millions & staff there all these years.

Quoted from pinballrockstar:

Full of armchair wrestlers here,i like to stay positive,that’s why I only come here once a month…
Shall we open a new topic for the people who think the outcome will be positive!?

Quoted from littlecammi:

They just hope to somehow get their game before deeproot pulls the plug. They Figure the fewer RAZAs produced the more their rare game will be worth.

Quoted from kklank:

Keep begging for your questions to be answered.
I simply won’t answer a fucking question you give me.
You’re not worth it.
You called me out in another thread. I don’t even communicate on that thread EVER. You have zero class in that respect.
Keep attacking. The more you speak, the less credibility you have on this thread and on Pinside.
I placed a pre-order. That’s why I’m here. Did you???
If not, why are you here? To educate me and everyone else about DeepRoot and how to avoid future scams for the good of the hobby? Please……………stop.
I come here to be positive and hopeful with others like me that made an investment with actual money. It’s my hobby and it’s enjoyable to talk with others that are in the same position. Whether the Raza get made or not. There’s no secret agenda. No insider information.
Why are you here? What….to “tell me how it is”?
That’s laughable……..seriously…….it’s laughable.

Quoted from kklank:

Keep rambling. It’s no working. You’re time is up. Time to go back to the DR thread. Feel free to talk negative about myself or pinsiders that pre-ordered on the other thread. That’s your style.
You sir…..have lost all credibility.
Do you deny calling me out in the other thread? Seriously……what is wrong with you.
Have you placed a pre-order???
Yeah…….I didn’t think so.
You have zero value in this thread.

Quoted from kklank:I deserved it huh. You keep telling yourself that while you go back to the DR thread to justify your inability to show some decent etiquette.

Quoted from BertoDRINK1:Exactly, just Trolls doing what they do in every thread.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Thanks your awesome best to you.

Quoted from transprtr4u:

AND HE WILL BE BACK IN 4-3-2-1

Quoted from Yelobird:

Yep, you have a wonderful day.

Quoted from greatwichjohn:

It would be nice if Deep Root was more open with their customers. Show them what parts are there, & what state of production is going on. He needs to be more transparent about his problems, & what is taking place. You would think that with what he has stated that there are cabinets, playfields, backglass, & all the other stuff needed for production. All he has to do is show some of this stuff needed to get games going, & not actual line work or production processes.
If he still remains silent that is further evidence that nothing is really being produced the last 8 months. If he has not telling the truth on what is actually going on. Get a good PR person to try & get out of this mess. Own up to your mistakes, & look for people to get Raza pins built. I still cannot figure out if UL, ULC, & other safety approval is the problem or not. Same with there should be 70 - 90% of parts needed to build games even with parts constraints. Even myself & a few others in a production team would have pins either fully built out or waiting for missing stuff. 100 Raza build should not be a hard thing to do.
I am still not a buyer, not looking for a Deep Root position. Just would like to see the pins actually get built for people to enjoy.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Are you sure it was that many posts ago?

Quoted from cpr9999:

Was this in 1992?

Quoted from cpr9999:

Was this in 1992?

Quoted from DakotaMike:

Yep, no shortage of comments that haven't/won't age well around here.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Yikes, I guess I should’ve ordered only 100 of these. Missed that forum, dang. I was rejected as a distributor too. Maybe I can start building these in my garage.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Build 10 and I am way ahead.
Build 100 and I can retire.
Sign me up.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Actually Was thanks! My son was promoted to Senior Chief in the Navy. Youngest guy to achieve that rank to date. Hell of a great day thanks so much for asking! Life is good.

Quoted from benheck:

AP should have kept John on as an art director. They surely could have used one. But the scam was probably too great a wound to overcome (plus he's un-manageable)

Quoted from Yelobird:

Surely a Forum says no employees so that must be, right?

Quoted from Yelobird:

So "some employees" translates to "no employees" based on a "possible assumed employee" equals fact. Gotcha! Totally makes sense now.....

Quoted from cpr9999:

Not lying but certainly a sensationalist on many topics. Typical video blogger.

Quoted from Yelobird:

No I prefer to not follow assumption, rumor, or theory's. Hope I get my game also thanks.

Quoted from hank527:

Where are the people who kept defending RM now?
The problem with the pro Deeproot people is some are respected and ultimately lead to others getting burnt. It is truly sad. I lost to Zidware. I’m hopeful everyone learns from this and as a community we do not let it happen again.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

So you’re saying there’s a chance gif

Quoted from iceman44:

I am surprised to see this come down when it did. Figured it might take longer to play out. Although all it took was a few investment advisers that didn’t like the updates they were getting after placing their clients money with the 575 fund.
It’s not just Mueller, this is going to have far reaching consequences for all of those people. The people that dropped $58 mill into the fund had no idea about pinball and their advisors are gonna pay the price too.
$58 million. Like I’ve said many times before, pinball was just the sideline story to the much BIGGER picture
It looks like Bobby is in BIG trouble.
Whatever assets there are will be sold off and $$ collected to repay the investors in whatever way that means.
While it appears DR and Bobby are finished let’s see who and if someone steps into the void to pick up these games
How about those PPP funds? Don’t see this one ending well.

Quoted from benheck:

Time to change the name of this topic.
"RAZA Mourners Club" maybe?
Enjoy fighting over the two prototypes auctioned off by the SEC.

Quoted from iceman44:

Pretty petty don’t you think?
I never understood the obsession with some people getting off on others losing out on something as trivial as a pinball machine.
“It’s just pinball”
You want to hate Robert or Jpop, knock yourselves out. I’m pretty sure that’s unanimous.
But to continue to shove it up pre order guys asses I think says more about you guys I think.
But if it makes you feel better and enhances your lives in some way then keep it up.
Klank, Yelo and the others like myself will just take it in stride.

Quoted from kklank:

I can dish it out and I can take it as well. Let me have it. That’s cool. Lol.
You’re more than welcome to say I told you so.
This doesn’t make you a better person by rubbing someone’s face in it after the fact playing the armchair quarterback.
It kind of comes across as a dickish post with attitude and super self righteous. No?
Look I’m kidding. It’s a hobby. Nothing personal.
I lost money in this whole deal. What did you lose?
There are so many people on pinside that hide behind their avatar with no skin in the game and point fingers. I’ll say it again.
No Skin in the Game. But talk a lot of smack.
The only time I post a “dickish post” is when some dude posts some shit, acts like Nostradamus with Zero skin in the game.
Anything is easy if you’re not vested. Literally anything.
This one goes in the the loss column. Not a big deal. Move on to Haggis! Lol.
I’m sure you’re a terrific guy but do you or anybody like having someone look over your shoulder when you buy just about anything? Heck no.
That’s originally what this thread was designed for. Pre-order dudes talkin’ to pre-order dudes.
I gotta ask. Did you place a pre-order? Just curious. Did you have skin in the game? (And I don’t mean this in a malicious way of any kind).
Usually when I ask and someone doesn’t answer, it means no.
If you lost out like I did. I’m sorry you lost money as well.

Quoted from hank527:

Why? He was vocal at convincing others to support Deeproot. I like him as a person though his views were way skewed and he shares some responsibility in this mess.

Quoted from cpr9999:

But hey, he can get Stern’s version of the pinbar just announced today! Coming soon…advertisements and ability to order your bar food through it! Beer please..
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Quoted from cpr9999:

But hey, he can get Stern’s version of the pinbar just announced today! Coming soon…advertisements and ability to order your bar food through it! Beer please..
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Quoted from cpr9999:

No positive here, less about pinball and more about other sources of revenue.

Quoted from PinballHaven:

I think you mean chimichanga........

Quoted from kklank:

I’ve stated before that I knew I was taking a chance and rolling the dice. I also agree 110% that I have nobody to blame but myself. I lost out on Raza.
The thing I wasn’t aware of was that I had no idea RM was a thief.
I also have nobody to blame but myself for receiving an email that my Alien will be arriving any day now and I’m very excited because I rolled the dice. So I’m
1 for 2. I’m in no way suggesting that I know more than anybody else about pinball. Far from it, I just decide to take a chance.
I also bought into Haggis. I may lose my money there too. We’ll see.

Quoted from kklank:

I keeping hearing this $750,000/month burn rate in terms of monthly payroll.
That seems really really high.
How many employees did rm have specifically at deep root pinball?

Quoted from cpr9999:

What’s TB,L

Quoted from kklank:

As I’ve already stated, I agree with you.
As for Alien, I’ve owned the original and now am getting the new one. It’s a terrific game.
I can see you don’t like to take a lot of risks because you own one game. That’s cool.
TB,L??? You mean The Big Lebowski?? I’ve owned 2 Lebowskis. That game is spectacular. Terrific code, just needs a little more depth.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Tough to answer. For Me, (not speaking for others!) I made my decision and it was as easy as that. The emotion roller coaster you speak of (that I see) was the 30,000 plus posts of almost obsession. So if anything I felt no sorrow or remorse as I will simply buy a different toy. As for the “ugliness” you speak of yes there were a few that went over the top and oddly felt the need to make it personal with buying individuals which really was unnecessary. I admit I didn’t need to respond to a few of those individuals defensively but it was just simply Unnecessary to make this so personal! I nor Any DR Raza buyer took anyone’s money and I won’t be the guy to inappropriately poke the BHZA, Raza, Etc buyers for making a mistake. It’s just pinball. Just going to move on to the next game and enjoy time with family and friends.

Quoted from iceman44:

Yelo? Way too nice of a guy and I commend him for basically just letting it go while he gets piled on by the mob

Quoted from wesman:

Yeah....but that game overcame many hurdles for it finally to arrive at your doorstep. Not exactly the best counterpoint, like getting a Stern.
Besides why does your joy at getting a game need to illustrate again, that other people got cornholed? Is that a fun analogy to make?
(Somewhat illusory point, but I'm fortunate to live in an area of the country that isn't suffering to wildfires and hurricane induced flooding. Events that almost happen annually, sadly, at this point. Should I take joy in their suffering?
I never understand when people live in coastal areas, and then disasters occur seemingly year after year, but....I feel fortunate I don't suffer from those occurrences, and it's upsetting that someone's entire fucking HOUSE and everything in it, and those in it, can be lost. So a pinball game not getting to me, right now...not so much the worst thing.)

Quoted from wesman:

I felt things were progressing. There were definite doubts when the group of 5 headed there, but after that occurred, Mueller released a patchwork of information that diminished some doubt, while creating some new doubt.
The site going online and preorder window occurring gave me more confidence.
I put money down feeling my initial chances were more likely than not likely. Months later, I'd never have thought this worst case scenario would exist. I saw enough to be skeptical, and saw some things to make me feel concerned, but as the months went by, that definitely shifted. But still, never thought this would be the end result last year this time.
Sucks...because I felt interesting changes could result from a company wanting to look at things differently. That was the idea I literally bought into.

Quoted from Yelobird:

No clue what your personal issue is? Yes I bought two games but have said multiple times they were Not both for me. They were for Kklank and I though not sure Why that even matters. I also explained Why I wanted the game but you feel some odd need to spin it with some grand conspiracy of closing DR or rarity. It was a cool ass game, I bought one. Why is that such a huge confusion for you. Lol. The only shitty attitude I have is Why does everyone care so much what I buy or do with my money? Lol.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Dude go grab a beer and cool down.
At this point these posts are redundant now and are adding no value.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Dude go grab a beer and cool down.
At this point these posts are redundant now and are adding no value.

Quoted from DoorCounty:

What the fuck dude - who made you judge, jury and executioner?
My fees go up every day because of deadbeats defaulting on CC and PPP loans.