You want it to steal your cash & not exist?

200 people are about to have an interesting year or 7.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don’t understand that history repeats itself & bad people don’t change when not reprimanded for their bad behavior. You may see my posts as an attack, but the reality is I’m trying to protect each and every one of you. Not sure why Jpop still has the ability to have a strong cultist grip on pinball buyers...but here we are. If telling the truth saves one pinballer from future pain, then my posts do nothing but good.

My motivations are I don’t want to see bad people take advantage of good people. Simple.

I’ve seen people get hosed & lose time & money due to Jpop, Skit-B, Heighway, Dutch, Homepin...I’m probably forgetting a few. It’s the same thing every time: pre-order money taken & no proof of being able to manufacture like a legit factory should.

There has been no proof of manufacturing ability. Why would you expect this operation to be any different? Promises and timelines have already been broken...and you have to sign an NDA to buy this thing? Unreal...and I’m the bad guy in your eyes?

I don’t care for attention. I just want people to see the facts & not fall for the pretty box of lights when there are better ways to buy & enjoy a pinball machine.

Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky, American Pinball, Multimorphic...

You sure have a funny way of ignoring a fella.

Design team is not a factory. Look what happened to Dutch. They designed & produced a great game. Tangible. Playable. It all went south at the factory/manufacture stage, and here we are 4 years later & most people who pre-ordered have nothing.

Robert threw a lot of money at those people, sure - but the part that always throws these startups down the pit of doom is manufacturing. Pinball isn’t a design/art business. It’s a manufacturing business. That’s the part that counts: the factory. Robert has still not shown a factory. Pointing this out isn’t “negative”, it’s absolutely relevant to a scenario where you’re placing orders & have expectations of receiving a product within a reasonable timeframe. Without a functioning/staffed/trained factory, how are these games going to get made & shipped?

I’m skeptical of a company with years of broken promises & zero proven ability to manufacture and you legit throw those insults at me? Wow. Just wow.

This. Is. A. Cult.

If you’re going to buy from this company, you’ll need thicker skin. Downvote = disagree. I disagree that you’ll be visiting any kind of “factory”. I didn’t really want to post again, but if you’re going to make personal attacks & I have to explain things so you’re not sad, here we go. Hope that clears things up.

So, no comments about the guy who called me EVIL ....but my little push of a “disagree” button, that’s where we clutch our pearls?

I don’t care what you spend your money on. I cannot comprehend blindly supporting a company that hired someone who ripped off our community & hasn’t yet proven they can manufacture anything, while attacking someone from our community who is merely pointing out these facts. There’s no guarantee you will get the thing you think will make you happy.

I was happy to stop, but people seem to keep wanting to talk to me when I’d rather just watch & downvote quietly. Let me just spectate and you guys can do your thing. Fair?

The past few decades have proven that he’s NOTHING without the infrastructure of Bally/Williams. He needed their expertise, engineers, other designers, programmers, artists, budget & hard deadline to make “his” games. There’s a reason pretty much every B/W legend has worked for Stern - except John. They know he’s a detriment & not an asset.

Curious, why exactly do you have faith in the people involved? You’ve got a guy who’s never run a manufacturing business hiring a guy who took money for 3 games and could never finish anything....and a smattering of pinball people the other legit companies didn’t want to hire. Where does this faith come from?

It’s odd when people mistake “logic” for “anger”. I don’t think Ben wastes an emotion like anger on Jpop/DR - he’s just straightforward being honest about what’s up, with a dose of acerbic humor and pot-stiring. Ben has proven himself a creator of things…he of all people is qualified to say “Hey! I made/make/will make stuff. If you can’t see fakes when they’re right in front of you, I’ll help you out.”

If they ordered a Halloween or Ultraman, absolutely!

Um….or….maybe people just like facts. It’s really simple. This story isn’t just about you.

Your premise is flawed. This is beyond “things people don’t like”. This is a decade long story of our friends and fellow hobbyists being taken for a ride. The story is what it is. Its toxicity is purely on those who created the problem. There’s nothing wrong with discussing it. Actions have consequences, and people who do bad things shouldn’t be ignored - it just allows them to continue hurting people. We all just want this thing to reach a conclusion. It’s bad for the hobby in a multitude of ways, not just for those who “bought” one.

I understand that and actually was respecting those rules...I didn't post here at all for quite some time. Even so, the RAZA cultists were still attacking me & threatening me....and I still wasn't posting! You're welcome!

...but, it seems like free conversation in this thread has become okeedokee. Non-buyers aren't getting moderated for posting here. So, hey - let's just enjoy the conversation! Keeps the thread bumped. Might remind RM to send you guys something.

Where you see angst and hostility, I see a bunch of people just having fun with an obvious shit show.

...and can we please knock off the whole "I'm on a pinball message board criticizing people for how they spend their time on it while I spend my time on it criticizing people for spending time on it it!". Do you not have more constructive things to do? C'mon...we're all here talking about pinball. Calling out people's posting habits is silly projection.

What you call "vitriol', others might call "holding people accountable for their patterns of bad behavior".

Oy, the hyperbole! "Venom spewing" = discussing the situation.

Jpop has screwed a lot of people & RM has bragged a lot and insulted an entire industry. Simple schadenfreude, really. It's enjoyable to see bad people fail.

I mean....the internet was pretty much invented for jerking off.

Cuz we're all pinbuddies, many of us have witnessed and been part of this mess since MG was announced & it's fun to talk to each other? If Jpop had quit pinball & RM had never bragged about how he was going to destroy everyone in the industry, we'd have nothing on this topic to talk about. That's on them.

From my perspective, the only true negativity I've seen has come from the RAZA buyer side in the form of truly despicable threats toward me and my family....because I dare to question a failed designer and the blowhard that employs him.

Oh no, a right-wing cliche insult, ooooh noooooo.

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Is the long game “no game”? More like “in for the long con”.

Send me some money, I’ll at least be honest with you and tell you you’re getting nothing for it.

At least you’d be getting something useful from your cash.

Well, didn’t you hear? DR has 80 other titles ready to go! Pinball is easy!

Same difference...

RM to whoever was still left at DR:

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Let the lawsuits commence!!!!

Oh Jpop - the only thing you’re successful at: failing and getting sued.

Auction them off, all proceeds go to paying back deposits & employees who were stiffed.

Context, time, facts & changing ones opinion in light of facts are a concepts that don’t make sense to you, it seems. Weird way to live. Anyway - please send us all money. We’ll also give you nothing, but at least we’ll be honest about it.

Yeah, you’re right. Everything must be going smoothly behind the scenes, just like everything else they’ve done over the past few years.

Does the place he’s fled to have soapboxes?

There’s no legit factory that’s going to make games & the head of the company has gone into “hiding”, so the point is moot. If you’re concerned about people making trouble for the pre-orderers, take it up with RM & JP…they’re the cause of any and all troubles.

Not gloating, and I would never play Goatf***ers. Although unlike RAZA, I could if I wanted. But I won’t.

LOL, nah, Vonnie D was making something called "Pinball Gremlins"...it crashed and burned pretty quickly with a failed Kickstarter and one of the two guys involved went to jail. Not sure whatever happened to Vonnie D...but the other guy is now an anti-vax maniac trying to launch a social media platform now...because, of course.

The Cthulu thing was from something called "The Rebel Unit"...not sure what happened to that. Probably nothing. They haven't had an update since 2015.

There's nothing worth buying. No one needs the toxicity, debt, lies, and BS that come along with this title. There's no value. Jpop isn't a brand that can move product. He's an anchor.

Make sure you don't give them money until they can prove they have a factory & have games in boxes ready to ship.

They can barely get all their orders built due to parts shortages.

They still owe 100's of EA's their games. They need to make those buyers whole before taking more money for another game.

If you hate the “sewer” so much, what is the advantage to hiding the “actual information”?

For the longest time, I didn’t even post in this thread - but, I’d drop a downvote when someone posted something asinine. Downvote means “disagree”…very simple, doesn’t take any time to do, and didn’t clutter the thread - something you dislike, so you’d think that you’d respect that I kept silent….but due to my downvotes, this guy would PM me crazy cryptic threats like a Batman villain. You are a hypocrite when you infer that I should have something better to do when you spend copious amounts of time & emotion to attack & threaten me, when all I do is read & click. Maybe look at yourself & how you spend your time. Being a loyal cultist to a pinball fraud is a bizarre way to invest one’s time.

Obvious criminal was obvious from Day 1. Lots of word salad and bluster, lots of money wasted to appear to be a pinball company. It was all so transparent. Your pal Rarehero has an excellent BS sniffer. Listen to me next time. Apologies will be accepted publicly or privately.

Enjoy prison RM, you vile abusive cheating greedy piece of trash.

Hey, remember when you insinuated that I was ignorant, stupid & evil for warning you about a guy who hired a ponzi criminal & then stole retirement funds from hundred of innocent people?

Apology incoming?

Where do you see hate? This is schadenfreude.

That’s a contextless simplification. He’s enjoying seeing bad people (Robert) suffer the consequences for their harmful actions toward others. The guy stole people’s retirements. Ben’s reaction is sound. He’s on the side of the good guys.

Call it “tough love”. We presented so many facts & tried to warn those of you who refused to see it…but many of you became enraged at people like us & turned into a cult - defending RM & Jpop at every turn. Some of you even placed blame on Ben for this debacle. What’s he supposed to do, pat you on the head and say “Oh no, you never saw this coming, poor lad”.

The projection here is chilling. You’d think the leader being charged with massive financial fraud would finally break the spell of the cult - yet its power still lingers.

IMO Ben’s kinda doing sarcastic/cynical schtick - which may not play through text (or at all based on people being hurt by losing money & being wrong). Ultimately Ben is one of us & just has the best interests of fellow hobbyists/customers/companies in mind. He’s just sick of seeing bad people screw over fellow pinheads. Is he being caustic & blunt about it? Sure….but it’s a “tough love” stance.

That’s my read. He’s not a cruel person. He’d never try to steal anyone’s retirement.

I’ll remember that Ben was always on the side of the consumer & against the villains of pinball. I’d gladly buy his games in the future.

Cheeks Ben’s comment is still pro-consumer. We’ve reached a cultish point where those who were defending DR/RM/Jpop we’re actively propping up villains who were harming people. Ben’s “rooting for their loss” is in reality rooting for the villains to finally be vanquished, so consumers in the future FINALLY reject these types of maniacs & their schemes.

Hey, after all this - you deserve a sparkly fresh butthole! Treat yourself! No more swamp-ass while playing pinball!

No, that’s RM & JP. It’s time to stop projecting. The true villains have been unmasked without any shadow of a doubt.

More projection. Healing will take time.

This was already at a point where he has taken money for MG & had nothing to show for it. How come that didn’t set off any alarms for you.

I wonder if Jpop had anything to do with killing Zizzle? That would have been strike 1.

Zidware MG, RAZA, AIW - strike 2, 3, 4.

Pintasia, strike 5.

Houdini/American Pinball, strike 6.

Did I forget anything? If not, that makes Derp Poop his 7th pinball failure since the B/W days ended.

Pintasia isn’t a show. It was a company formed to “save” Magic Girl.

Pinball is not like other businesses, where competition drives prices down. In pinball, everyone will keep raising prices no matter how many players there are.

Dutch still owes tons of people games that were paid for in 2014. You skipped the line & won your new shiny. Many are still suffering due to their lies & incompetence.

LOL it’s not a trope. Dutch just wants dat new pin cash without taking more responsibility for their F up. They’ve only made like 10 EA games over the last year. They’re almost out of the 60s. I have a friend who’s like #170. He’ll be dead before he gets a game.

Not trying to make new buyers feel bad, but any time they’re like “my game finally showed up” or “why’s it taking so long”…I think they need some perspective.

Hope means nothing if you don’t have reality to back it up. Let’s say they have 100 EA games still to make. That’s 100 games they have to eat the cost on…are there that many more $12.5k TBLs that can sell to cover that? And even if so, how many decades will that take? Sorry - but we’re in DR territory in the sense that the numbers just don’t add up, and there is no definitive plan presented to the buyers that they can trust.

Who?

I’m want to play AIQ cuz I love JP so much. The rules look soooo confusing, but I need to feel it to know whether that’s true during gameplay.

I think that's why JP works for me...I don't think I'll ever wrap my head around what everything does for scoring strategy....but - I totally understand the concept of getting through the park, trapping Dinos & rescuing people (and the rules for the Raptor & T-Rex stuff)...plus, the shots feel so awesome and unique, especially when you're on a combo roll. So, that's what I'd need to see about AIQ...will the stuff I can comprehend feel satisfying, or is it TOO much score/tourney-strategy stuff?

No, but I do wonder why people say “y’all”.