I know I have not preordered and will take my leave again after this:

As someone who srsly cares this is the only news we get and a sign that they're still alive and kicking.
So I appreciate reading it.

And yes some of it is not worded well and they're behind their own schedule but anybody that really went in on RAZA knew that would happen, I assume.

I missed you guys!!! ;_;

Because as a Deeproot buyer you believe in and actively try to build a better future, for generations to come!

Wich indicates that Roberts perception of things is on a good track...

I like Damien but to announce the second game the instant he shipped his first machine, taking preorders and having a pretty 'optimistic' timeline worries me as well... a bit.

It‘s only 95% certified anyways, so...

Well they posted their updates as promised so I‘m confident they‘ll stick to that.

Please read what I wrote again.

And since you know that their NEXT update is supposed to follow mid May I assume you allready have read their LAST update.

If you don't get them in your mail, yes just tell'em.

What is there to hide?

„We made no progress. You can have your money back if you don‘t want to wait. We‘ll sell those slots to others.“

He‘s avoiding getting shit, by refunding, while still planning to fulfill those orders (just to others).

Who‘d order their second game at this state?

That is possible but it doesn‘t really matter.

Yes he refrained from giving info like before, that they‘re on track with this and that. But it‘s better to do it this way imho than allways spreading the hope and fail again (2 weeks Andrew Heighway style).

And he is right with one thing undoubtedly, while they‘re waiting and trying to solve issues the market and prices for parts are wild. It‘s hard(er) for anyone now.

So basically now it‘s „it‘s done when it‘s done“ but at least they‘re still on it.

I do too. Who said that?

I just said he's not "hiding" problems just because he doesn't tell you in detail each single one they have.
It is obvious they have problems, otherwise the game would be out in the wild.

The rest, yeah, well... they should propably share something, but they haven't up until now, so why start now?
And if their problems are bigger then they made it sound it would also fall back on them.

But time IS money indeed...

Welcome back. I honestly thought of you a minute earlier (in a totally straight kind of way) when I saw TheCapn s new DR video, hoping you‘d chime in.
Happy you‘re (halfway) well, get back in full shape soon!

So many Preordererers...

Whoops! I‘m gone...

But I‘m sure Gary loves YOU for that!

He loves the fruit of your labour then, as do you.

That was John T.

Next update is supposed to be out soonish, right?

At least they’re still kicking: There‘s some new rules stuff at Fun with Bonus.

Did I miss something? I thought the update is coming july 19th?

Yes. And then this posted above your post dropped. It‘s on TWIP also. (Good Website, very few people here seem to go there.)

At least they seem to have hope to have something to update on by next week. I‘d not be that overly optimistic that the games are shipping soon, but maybe at least certification is done or something.

He didn't delay an update and didn't promise one for a specific date, just read again what was written and stop going on rants based on (made up) stuff like that. (There is enough to rant about but this is not it and soley on yourself.)

He was asked. He answered. They hope the week of 19th they have something to tell, that'd be this week. WEEK. We'll see.

It IS, after July 4th. And next week. And the week after.

Plz. read again his exact wording.

He specifically said that there will NOT be an immidiate update after July 4th, it's just they don't think that they will have any updateworthy progress before that date.

He may have broken your hopes but no promises.

I own Duke Nukem Forever.

Duke Nukem Forever was the definition of vaporware (srsly), yet it was still released decades later.

So Deeproot is still not near as close to vaporware yet and even if, there still might be a game at the end of it.

I actually mildly liked Duke Nukem Forever. It has a pinball machine in it as well!

I'd appreciate if they would put out the update this time ore even a short notice when to expect something.

I'm not completely out of the club, since a distributor here ordered a batch of Razas but won't take preorders himself (we all can guess why).
So, I couldn't buy a game yet if I wanted, but I'm interrested and still "in the game" and very relaxed, since I didn't pay a dime yet.

TWIP today...

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No, only new podcasts with old interviews with Robert, cut to be the ultimate troll episodes.

It‘s cut into a monologue.

And yes RM said all that, there has nothing been altered. But we know all that (old stuff) and it‘s brought up every day, so there is no value in that podcast other then sheer trolling for entertainment purposes.

I missed that "public service" part. Is Kaneda now transmitting podcasts into the past or for whom is this helpful at this point with orderbanks closed for 7 months?

Fact is, there is no new information. And for the sole hypothetical customer that ordered a game from DR without knowing about all the broken promises, well... he doesn't know that promises, so he doesn't care. He/ She will also never read what you wrote and don't listen to Kanedas podcast either.

Just be happy to have a reason/ excuse whining about the same stuff all over again and let the (in know) rest of us be.

My point is, for whom is this information helpful, besides for you to troll?

Noone argues that Deeproot didn't deliver (yet); we all know that.
It's just shouting "he's dead" for several hours after the funeral is over is annoying.

I allready wrote why that is BS top to bottom.

If I'm wrong feel free to get one of this "some people" that actually ordered a game here, that were completey oblivious until todays enlightenment, so I stand corrected.

Ok, I'm corrected. (Partially. This guy just ignored the negative nancy.)

I'm glad this guys life got so much better, now that he's in the know and can doubt his purchase every day.

Care to share?

There‘s still people like me potentially in and just interrested.

Thx.

Wonder who sued them.

It‘s basically a „there‘s nothing we can talk about“ update, wich was kinda to be expected. They could still be updating on certification and stuff so it‘s really even less then anticipated.

Not good. Still hope they‘ll make it, why won‘t I?

I explained earlier. There are. Distributors overseas ordered some and won't take preorders themselves (but interrest lists) for the time being.

RM's LinkedIn profile is also gone as well as Deeproot Wealth Advisors profile.

Nothing is over until it's over, but I think this is pretty much it, sadly.

Never give up!

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It is, but at this point, closing down Facebook & LinkedIn profiles as well as their service number, there should be at least an "we're still alive and just restructuring" update.

I'd buy one and there'll allways be hope. It's free!

So any idea what is going on right now that would make them take down multiple accounts from FB & LI , companies as well as personal accounts, and shut off their phone line?

I find this to be te most perfectly understandable but also most horrible answer/ reason yet. XD

(Question is if they still reply to Pre-Order Customers but some people tried and get answers allready, so that seems to be fine. Not sure if Stemmy is a customer, since he states to got none.)

It does, but the new package (style aside) does a way better job to capture the essence of who Houdini really was (aaand then sprinkled Steampunk stuff on top XD).

So... Cary made a new (Omnibus) video referring to messages from 2 Deeproot employees, saying that they've gotten no pay the last month.

In "positive" news, that seems not to be a irregularity around DR staff, according to Carys previous statements.

Propably my misunderstanding (since I never heard that word before). XD

I'm sorry I stirred that up again. I will refrain from posting now (until there is a definate end -hopefully positive- in sight).

Well, that got old quickly…

I still think RM believed his own words, wanted to make himself some pinball and own shitloads of money as a side effect. Since, you know, pinball is easy. - And why wait and not spend that money right now, when you know you‘ll ship more games then anyone else!?

It‘s srsly sad, since there was actually a lot of creative investment there. I hope not all will be lost.

Srsly, noone better buy that JPop licenses, they‘re obviously cursed.

JPop was right about one thing tough; since you seem to get even better every game, GB is not your „best work“.

At least that‘s stable!

Still hope I‘ll come around someday. XD

My takeaway (complaint) is that we sadly lost Jeff over this shit (as a final nail in the coffin it seems).

https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/this-week-in-pinball-hiatus/

I‘m completely lost what you‘re arguing about.

Yelo wanted that machine, pre ordered, was relaxed the hole time, didn‘t work out, got his money back from amex, said he didn‘t loose anything so why not try to believe when you can only gain something, get‘s a trillion downvotes. - Okay…

Jeff from TWIP takes sponsorship from deeproot, cut‘s that as soon as they take money (wich I think is highly responsible knowing what he knows but still have to remain meutral), get‘s threatened/ blackmailed from DR/ Jpop haters so he closes down the site. - Okay…

What are some of you guys getting out of this threatening people into your opinion?!

Whom is this helping?

The one go to source for „drama free“ pinball/ pinside info was killed by drama in pinball/ pinside.

*facepalm*

What I ask myself to humour me:

1. Could anyone of us actually do worse then Deeproot given 30 million dollars?

2. So if next, let‘s say Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk discover their love for pinball and try to get JPops „it’s nearly done, 4th time‘s the charm, srsly now“ games built, would they go broke too? - Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer get‘s to design a car and the company immediately goes bancrupt.

You may not understand it -and it is a stretch- but Iceman is right.

The way it is, there'll be new TBL games fr everybody and if the make enough money they will be able to fulfill EA Orders.

Yes it would be great if they could poop out money and just deliver the EA games this instant, but with the leftovers they have now they may deliver some of that games and then close down for good. What we have now is far better then anyone could have anticipated.

1. As a consumer - yes, if you ant to be safe. As an investor you have to to take a risk. But the difference here is that the investors didn't know what the money was invested in. -_-;

2. That ~1000$ for most here wouldn't kill them (different to the 200k from the original investors), but yeah. CC or order over a distributor.

3. Well he DID design a Zizzle pin.

4. Spend NO time on pinside. (Wait, what? Why am I here?!)

5. Srsly pinball is easy... IN COMPARISON to a car, wich much more parts walk into... but also is much more optimized/ standardized manufacturingwise.

I wasn't there but from all my experience setting up car manufacturing "circumstances" I'd say it's mostly a management error, so related to RM.

The game itself (Raza) was more or less fully playable since 1,5 years ago.

Srsly it wouldn't have change the outcome a bit. That would've required RM to LISTEN.

Edit: And since this is pretty obvious someone like GG would've never went there (and in fact didn't).

All perfectly possible but this still is our best hope that they'll eventually manage to pump all games out.

At least they (well "him" now) have proven that they're not giving up.

That's all LEAGUES above Deeproot!

You have. It's in the dictionary!

You should change jobs!

Any Raza Preorder spots for sale yet?

To soon... ?

scnr

not beeing a total arse != blind optimism

I will admit tought that I didn't thought that really EVERY prejudice against Robert/ Deeproot would come/ be true.

Define „non existent“.

When they opened order banks the game existed. (Well, two machines that is.)

The machines for sale were not made yet, but so is every Stern you preorder before it is at retailers.

There won‘t be any new manufacturers if they have to deliver machines to retailers before orders and money come in.

No, that was not the point. The point is how you'd define "non existent". You can be pretty sure you'll get a "non existent" ( = not yet manufactured and sitting in a retailers warehouse) Stern, but there's a lot of ground (companys) inbetween Stern and Deeproot.

That is correct but according to that noone besides Stern is a legitimate business. You'll pay preoder money in full oder in part everywhere, and didn't JJP collect in full upfront when working years on Woz?

Point is, other companys have nice machines as well and if you want one you're in for a more or less risky ride.
Like, is "Fathom Revisited" a "non existent" game? It was anounced when Hagis barely shipped out the first games (wich is significantly more then Deeproot ever did). Is Big Lebowski existant (it's like Schrödinger's cat)? Everyone decides for him/herself if he/she is willing to take the risk.

I'm pretty sure they have an insurance for that.