Ya'll were warned. Ya'll didn't listen.

I shall remove myself now to the "other" thread.

Also JPOP is a hack.

DID YOU KNOW....

John never created a contract or "use of likeness" agreement with me back when the game was BHZA. He just says "I'm gonna make a game about you!" and starts commissioning art.

Ya'll have hitched your wagon to a HORSE WITH NO LEGS. RAZA might be the most ill-conceived game ever. Why not just spray paint Cyclone purple, toss on some glitter while it's still wet and call it good?

I stopped working with John because he's slower than a sloth in frozen molasses. He didn't take any input from me (in a game about me) and also he didn't understand the zombie genre at all - only that it was popular and a good way to get pre-orders.

He told me I was making a "huge mistake" going to help Charlie.. Hahahaha that aged like milk.

You're never getting your game.

Very poor choice of words dude.

You really do know nothing, John Snow.

I think the Ice is starting to crack.

You're never getting your rare shiny. Unless you pay a fortune for the prototype.

Back in 2014 ish Pinside was a Protection Racket. No questioning was allowed! Even though I didn't see the big picture yet I couldn't have warned ya'll about John even if I wanted to. My word against his, I lose.

Nobody in the existing industry is going to touch RAZA with a hundred meter pole.

Your best bet is another rich noob (like AP) who doesn't know how Google works. Take the game, kick Jpoop to the curb (like Joe did at AP) build it, sell 50 copies and be done with it.

Think a Motley Creu pinball would sell? Serious question.

Real pinball companies always on the lookout for new themes.

I was never "at" Zidware (John only pays himself) No contract, no agreement, no license for use of likeness. Nothing. We visited each other's shops a few times and I get "BHZA" sprung on me. His idea. Cool, but some foam core mockups (not of the whole thing, just parts) was all I ever saw. Remember John does art first, scams some people, then thinking about making the game.

As for re-writing history you're the one forgetting it. Early 2010s it was VERBOTEN on here to question anyone. Skit-b, JJP, John, etc. So nobody would have listened had I warned. And even if they did, what was there to whistle blow at the time? John is lazy? Remember nobody knew how far the wheels had flown off the bus until Empty Cabinet Gate at Expo 2014.

Do you like how well Spooky has done? Well I was a big part of that. My work there actually made a difference unlike with John "the master teacher" So glad I helped them instead of wasting any more time with Jpoop.

Yeah I WISH I had had some real involvement. The game would have gotten made for one thing.

A lot of my frustration is due to the fact my name was associated with the Zidware mess. One of the many reasons I wish RAZA, one way or another, would be put to bed.

I wish it would get made, if only to finally put it to rest. I don't hate Jpop, I pity him, but it's aggravating to see how much energy is wasted on these ancient, ill-conceived games of his.

If deeproot made RAZA, great! Then it's done. If they fail... then people still are clinging to hope. "Someone might buy the assets" etc. IT NEVER ENDS.

Dodged a bullet? Did you see John's fake Houdini at Expo 2016? The one he used to trick AP into starting a company? It wasn't a real game. They didn't know that until they hired Joe. Joe tried to work with John, of course impossible, so fired him and redid the game. MG-Houdini, that's a pattern, he should have been done but Robert was waiting in the wings with stars in his eyes.

AP dodged a bullet? More like took one and thankfully had a good doctor nearby.

Oh I agree Matt Andrew's art was great on the OG Houdini.

But yeah. Just acrylic BS representing toys, shots to nowhere, nonsense word inserts. That's when I lost all respect for John. He spends all this time on stuff like Houdini or KISS and it's not even a real game. More like an impression of one, and if you didn't know better (cough cough the AP owners) you'd think it was real.

AP should have kept John on as an art director. They surely could have used one. But the scam was probably too great a wound to overcome (plus he's un-manageable)

AP's biggest issues are bad theme choice and shitty artwork. John could have solved both those problems but he poisoned the well with the Houdini scam. (Balcer told me the whole story at TPF 2017 cigar night, was hilarious. I miss hanging out with Joe)

Guess I chalk it up to "missed opportunity" but in the end, was John writing checks his games couldn't cash. He could have helped AP but was just looking for his latest bailout.

GNR is awesome. Jurassic Park also really really good. Mando... Meh.

The Stranger Things projector works quite well in person. It's a very cool idea I hope Stern or other explore the concept more. (demogorgan shot sucks though)

I'm saving my thoughts on that one until THE END.

Time to change the name of this topic.

"RAZA Mourners Club" maybe?

Enjoy fighting over the two prototypes auctioned off by the SEC.

And with that, Ice became "The Hilton of Deeproot"

Who says history doesn't repeat itself?

Disclaimer: Hilton is an IRL friend of mine. We used to shop at the same grocery store even. But he is still kind of a douche. (as am I!)

Hey Hilton helped me a LOT on AMH. He certainly knows pinball and what operators/owners want.

Bill is there a way you can "nuke these games from orbit"? Like in the movies where they have to bury the evil Mummy talisman once and for all to save Earth?

Ice is gaslighting harder than a furnace tech during a hundred year blizzard.

Yup. Gaslighting. Trying to change a past people can easily remember.

And HAHAHAHAHA good luck with your stupid lawsuit. A bunch of rich people with 1k down on a phantom product VS hundreds of retirees who lost EVERYTHING?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I also enjoy seeing people who bought into Deeproot's bullshit LOSING THEIR MONEY.

Possibly. The boomer may have Googled the word "gaslighting" I kept using and had an OH SHIT moment.

Been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN - no manufacturing ready = YOU WILL LOSE MONEY.

A sea of red flags and you still threw money into it. That's on you, and yes, I'm gonna laugh.