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Quoted from Fulltilt:Drain the other "Deeproot" thread. It's nothing but a shit show at this point anyway. Why it's spilling over here I don't understand. I guess the sewer run-eth over.
You guys should really make a "club" thread! Oh, wait a minute ... 
And...I'm out. (I did pre-order RAZA the first time around so I guess I qualify to post here)
Quoted from iceman44:I don’t think that’s right Cheeks. There isn’t one person here that doesn’t acknowledge there are legit concerns
On the other side, the total hate side, there are plenty of people that just can’t admit that the possibility exists that games might be coming soon enough.
They want it to fail so badly they can’t even come to grips with the notion that eventually they could get it together and do something.
From what I've read in the two threads, I think you're both overtstating where most people stand.
In my opinion, as you say, most -if not all- people in this thread have concerns but are willing to ride it out for various reasons, like not having much money on the line, really like what they see, already wrote off the JPOP loss long ago so anything recieved is a bonus, etc...
However, I think most people in the other thread aren't consumed by hate nor do they so badly want to see DR fail, they just question how DR can succeed given the previous track record, RM's leadership, etc...
Quoted from Yelobird:Huh? Is there a third thread I missed?
Lol
Nope, just my opinion.
Though perhaps if feels like everyone is wishing for DR's failure with the constant analysis of every action or inaction by DR. But hey, that's what we do in this pinball forum. Discuss current events, try to figure out what's going on with little information, speculate...
Quoted from flynnibus:People keep hiding from that reality in their blind-faith. Remember, if the math doesn't work, we'll just have to 'wait and see...'
Okay, from now on I'll remember. If the math doesn't fit the business is s**t.
Quoted from cpr9999:Is it active?
I would be calling to find out what’s up if I had a deposit.
What's the point? Liar's gonna lie.
Quoted from iceman44:What are you talking about? That’s all I said from day one, posted the SEC filings every year, that it was coming from the 575 fund and not Robert personally
Yes you did, along with commentary.
Quoted from iceman44:Despite Robert bringing much of the hate on himself they have the money and resources to finish this and continue on.
Quoted from iceman44:Pinball is just one aspect of the Deeproot 575 fund that is not going “bankrupt”
Quoted from iceman44:Robert has bigger overall concerns with that 575 fund and no way is he worried about walking away with a few pinball deposits. That will never happen.
Here's another.
Quoted from iceman44:Wrong. There are no direct investors.
Report from FA Financial Advisor
"The scheme, which played out between 2015 and February 2021, involved nearly 300 investors, many of whom were retirees, the SEC said.
The SEC complaint alleged that Mueller and deeproot Funds were investment advisors to two pooled investment funds that Mueller created. According to the complaint, Mueller and deeproot convinced the investors to cash out annuities and individual retirement accounts they held with other investment companies and put the assets in his two funds."
Quoted from iceman44:FFS!!! Ignorance is bliss right? If so you are some happy happy campers
No “direct investors” into the pinball company. Not ONE of those 300 had a clue. And I posted about many times for years
Go back and read the whole context but it appears you are having difficulty with reading comprehension.
And they still have the money to “finish it off”. The SEC rightly shut it down
Quoted from tp:I remember getting in at the last moment. Thought I was getting this awesome looking pin with cool (imo)theme and i was so excited. Only to get ripped off by Robert Mueller and deeproot pinball. Buyer beware as I'm sure somebody else will come along and do it again.
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I'm sorry for your loss. I thought it was a cool looking game too.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Time to change subtitle of thread title to …. a whale-sized tale of ponzi-like fraud, arrogance, intimidation, incompetence and JPOP with a Texas rub plus AMEX bangbacks
On the bright side, I think RM and other similar examples in the last few years are helping me recognize this personality type and the trouble they can cause. Hopefully I can stay well clear of them.
Probably safest to apply the old adage, "How can you tell if they're lying? Their mouth is moving."
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