I received a reply email from Robert and he started that he is working the legal mess to get rid of it as quick as possible.

Hope this all works out.

kind of surprised, about the deep hatred ,more so as he also started putting down AP ? Life's to short !

Doubling down on 'positivity' rarely works in the world of scams. That's why people get taken. People dig in because 'it's gotta be true I'm too smart to fall for a scheme'. Always be skeptical. This whole thing has screamed scam for a long time, and anyone who is still holding onto the 'it'll happen'....how many other scams have taken your money?

Again you guys put the blame on Pinsiders. The blame should be on Robert and deeproot missing all their deadlines and failing to provide substantive updates. That's the actual problem; the negative comments are just a symptom.

This thread was pretty quiet, and mostly just actual preorder folks for a long time. It started getting active again after Robert missed the last deadline, and then really picked up following the latest communication.

They might if deeproot paid for their relocation expenses, and if Robert promised the paychecks were just around the corner.

Couldn't age any worse than Robert's many ridiculous public comments.

Still...anything could happen. I hope you get your games. You've got a real optimistic attitude. Although optimism in the face of mounting evidence can start to seem like delusion.

You are right. This wasn't a well orchestrated and years long scam in the making. It turned into one through incompetence.

Anyway - I agree with you on one thing. I do not think this should have came into this thread, and apologize for adding to it.

Ok, I will join.

RAZA looks like a million bucks!

(But if I run the math, it should look like 21 million bucks)

The lack of critical thinking and outright denial in this thread is terrifying.

Did he say why he had been scrubbing social media regarding the deeproot name? Did he say why his entire company was furloughed? Did he mention UL certification? There was a lot of discovery that could have transpired besides the “lawsuit” and “other legal challenges”.

Maybe Robert shouldn’t have bothered replying to your email, while conveniently ignoring so many raging fires at the $44M company he ran and which is now worth $0. RM’s omission of these pertinent factors reeks of dishonesty by someone who can’t admit to himself it is over. Or it could be a lack of focus on what’s important or gross incompetence. Does it matter which one?

Anyway thanks for pasting RM’s reply to your inquiry. It just raises more questions.
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If you hate the “sewer” so much, what is the advantage to hiding the “actual information”?

For the longest time, I didn’t even post in this thread - but, I’d drop a downvote when someone posted something asinine. Downvote means “disagree”…very simple, doesn’t take any time to do, and didn’t clutter the thread - something you dislike, so you’d think that you’d respect that I kept silent….but due to my downvotes, this guy would PM me crazy cryptic threats like a Batman villain. You are a hypocrite when you infer that I should have something better to do when you spend copious amounts of time & emotion to attack & threaten me, when all I do is read & click. Maybe look at yourself & how you spend your time. Being a loyal cultist to a pinball fraud is a bizarre way to invest one’s time.

If you're Iceman....a lot

There is no point in anyone with just a deposit down pulling out now. It is still the same gamble they were willing to take back in December 2020. They either get their RAZA (very rare and collectible), get a refund forced on them if Deeproot pulls the plug and blames any one of countless available reasons, or lose their deposit if Deeproot declares bankruptcy. The pre-order guys are not oblivious to deeproot's troubles and the numerous delays. They just hope to somehow get their game before deeproot pulls the plug. They Figure the fewer RAZAs produced the more their rare game will be worth.

Then quit posting stupid shit, that begs the questions, to be answered.

You said they will be built. I'm assuming by you, since you can't answer the question...

That's what we all have said "You would think, they have something after all the $$$ spent"

They have lawsuits and people's money, that is all.

Great idea, so here ya go! Post away!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dr-some-positive-vibes#post-6439344

Random segue! I was about 14 as well and also had the cassette. My first was Dr. feelgood but this was the first time anything I listened to was on the radio or mtv, other than Headbangers Ball. Damn, 30 years ago.

You couldn't get out if you wanted to, and the "gamble" is over. The company is showing signs of shutting down.

Those who sent preorder money will be last in line. Investors will be first for liquidation. There's very little to sell, and no one wants what is there...

You appear to be oblivious to the obvious facts in front of you. There is no production line. There are no games. There is no more money. You will not get your game. You will not get a refund.

Sorry for your loss.

Could you imagine being someone like this? As long as I get mine, and there a some obvious culprits.

I'm glad you liked it. It was pretty good, but for me was the beginning of their decline. Their first 4.5 albums were special; the black album and following records just didn't have the same oomph. Bob Rock fixed the shitty sound that Justice suffered from, but also started them down the commercial rock road...

Yeah, as cheesy as that whole album was, it had some pretty damn good music. Could listen front to back and not get bored. I put it among Crue's best.

fwiw I don't think you threatened anyone and are probably a really good guy IRL. I wouldn't sweat having to explain yourself too much there

Greg can get pretty emotional on here, I'd take his claims with a few grains of salt

Remember the Prophet Rudy: "Hey, it's only pinball!"

It wasn't cheesy back then though, it was like "omg they're sober, they're SERIOUS!" LOL. I absolutely remember the first time I heard Kickstart my Heart in 6th grade, headphones on my nerdy, virgin ears at my "cool" friend's house at a sleepover. He also got me into Danzig, and Zep, which I was not ready for for another 10 years!

Keep begging for your questions to be answered.
I simply won’t answer a fucking question you give me.
You’re not worth it.
You called me out in another thread. I don’t even communicate on that thread EVER. You have zero class in that respect.
Keep attacking. The more you speak, the less credibility you have on this thread and on Pinside.
I placed a pre-order. That’s why I’m here. Did you???
If not, why are you here? To educate me and everyone else about DeepRoot and how to avoid future scams for the good of the hobby? Please……………stop.

I come here to be positive and hopeful with others like me that made an investment with actual money. It’s my hobby and it’s enjoyable to talk with others that are in the same position. Whether the Raza get made or not. There’s no secret agenda. No insider information.
Why are you here? What….to “tell me how it is”?
That’s laughable……..seriously…….it’s laughable.

Wow. It’s amazing how you know exactly what I’m thinking about my pre-order and possibly getting a Raza machine.
But is it possible you’re completely dead fuckin’ wrong?
Is it possible that I just want this machine because I’ve watched the gameplay videos and just love the potential fun this game can offer me?
Is it possible that the future value of this game is on the bottom of my list of reasons for getting this game?
Is it possible that I want to see another start up, survive and eventually thrive just like my own business I started 24 years ago? Same as the case in buying Haggis, Pinball Brothers, Heighway Pinball and Dutch pinball games as well for me?
Nope. You got us all pre-order guys figured out. Thanks for the input. What a bunch of garbage. It’s sad how skeptical some of the thinking is around here.

Totally agree on the Motley Crue.
That other song Girls, Girls, Girls (different album) was always cranking in the gym when I’d got to workout back in the day. I’m not a music pin guy but I wonder if they’ll ever make a Crue pinsomeday.

Think a Motley Creu pinball would sell? Serious question.

Real pinball companies always on the lookout for new themes.

Music pins always sell. That’s why they keep making them.

I always thought the crue sucked monkey ass so not for me, but there’s tons of other 40-60 year old dudes who would be happy to take my place in line.

Crue is a slight step down in terms of popularity, but most of the popular big acts have already been done. FWIW I'd rather see a pinball company do a good Crue game than completely F up a Pink Floyd game... I think it'd sell well enough.

If it plays kickstart my heart on repeat, yeah! What else is there? Shout at the devil? Lol

Hell yeah, sign me up for Pink Floyd!

Too Fast For Love
Live Wire
Smoking in the Boys Room
Girls Girls Girls

But yeah, the list of tunes isn’t massive compared to Zeppelin or even AC/DC imho.

Nope. I don’t. Even “The Who” isn’t an ironic name for a band anymore.

Okay, live wire I guess. Maybe too fast for love.. maybe. The rest would get old quick.

Black album was good but I’ll crown “Kill Em’ All” as my favorite. Bought it on vinyl in 83’ and wow - unreal at the time. Not too much later “Shout At The Devil” came out - another “wow” album.

Special place in my heart for both of those.

Well if it's just "the hits", you've got:

Live Wire
Too Fast for Love
Looks that Kill
Shout at the Devil
Smokin' in the Boys' Room (which is a cover)
Home Sweet Home
Wild Side
Girls, Girls
Dr Feelgood
Kickstart
Don't Go Away Mad
Without You
Primal Scream

Even their last album "Saints of Los Angeles" had a couple really killer tracks.. although the majority was REAL bad.

Ben is the TRUE hack here, he was in and developing RAZA at the beginning, then he left zidware without making any effort to warn people that he so claims he cares about now, I'm sick of his trolling and over acting that he is a saint in all this fiasco and with full immunity from these threads. In my mind he can go .... .......! He was part of the problem and he's trying everything to change history!!

Huh. So a non-answer, means you don't have any idea how they could be built.

Losing cred? I and others have seen this as a joke since day one and tried to warn people. You on the other hand cheer dr and post supposed insider info that the games will be built, yet won't disclose what you know. Who has no cred again?

I was never "at" Zidware (John only pays himself) No contract, no agreement, no license for use of likeness. Nothing. We visited each other's shops a few times and I get "BHZA" sprung on me. His idea. Cool, but some foam core mockups (not of the whole thing, just parts) was all I ever saw. Remember John does art first, scams some people, then thinking about making the game.

As for re-writing history you're the one forgetting it. Early 2010s it was VERBOTEN on here to question anyone. Skit-b, JJP, John, etc. So nobody would have listened had I warned. And even if they did, what was there to whistle blow at the time? John is lazy? Remember nobody knew how far the wheels had flown off the bus until Empty Cabinet Gate at Expo 2014.

Do you like how well Spooky has done? Well I was a big part of that. My work there actually made a difference unlike with John "the master teacher" So glad I helped them instead of wasting any more time with Jpoop.

Talk about someone "trying to change history!"

Yeah I’ve got to agree with you.

I understand Marlboroman being frustrated. He put his deposit in along with the fully signed NDA (lol) more than 9 years ago (along with several others, myself included). But that is no excuse for misstating the facts about Ben's (non)involvement.