AIW was set to 124 to sell as I recall, which is why it was at the $10k price, not at the $16k price that Magic Girl was because of 16 games. I think that was MG had started at 10, if I recall correctly.

Sigh...could not resist. Arcade Edition, powdered trim, upgraded toys, neon rings, topper, gi lighting. #186

You want it to steal your cash & not exist?

200 people are about to have an interesting year or 7.

I did...they offer full shipping insurance on the machine when you buy the pinpod... made it more interesting

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don’t understand that history repeats itself & bad people don’t change when not reprimanded for their bad behavior. You may see my posts as an attack, but the reality is I’m trying to protect each and every one of you. Not sure why Jpop still has the ability to have a strong cultist grip on pinball buyers...but here we are. If telling the truth saves one pinballer from future pain, then my posts do nothing but good.

Luckily Nobody has any History with Deeproot soooo while your warning is noted I am confident in my purchase!

Where do you go to preorder a machine?

I just think people should just be stoked to be getting a brand new version of the Cirqus Voltaire vibe. Gotta keep the faith and not speculate.... and surely don't drop the full amount if you're fearful of the reaper of pinball manufacturing nightmares. Pinball is hard as hell, but also super awesome.

Thank you for respecting the intent of this thread and the wishes of the OP. In my opinion, you have always been fair in your constructive criticism and have always had pure intentions. I know you are sincere in hoping this works out for those of us that took the leap of faith.

Happy Holidays to you too!

Whoever that is the ignore function is a great tool!

Awesome!

For preorder you have to put down the full price now?

and its non refundable?? am I reading that right??

My motivations are I don’t want to see bad people take advantage of good people. Simple.

I’ve seen people get hosed & lose time & money due to Jpop, Skit-B, Heighway, Dutch, Homepin...I’m probably forgetting a few. It’s the same thing every time: pre-order money taken & no proof of being able to manufacture like a legit factory should.

There has been no proof of manufacturing ability. Why would you expect this operation to be any different? Promises and timelines have already been broken...and you have to sign an NDA to buy this thing? Unreal...and I’m the bad guy in your eyes?

I don’t care for attention. I just want people to see the facts & not fall for the pretty box of lights when there are better ways to buy & enjoy a pinball machine.

Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky, American Pinball, Multimorphic...

Ayight. Thanks

order #180 Xtra

Nope...

10% deposit on Arcade Edition
20% deposit on Xtra Edition
(both are non-refundable)

And the deposit is only on the cost of the machine and any options selected.

Nice!

Congrats. You will be my first pinsider on « ignore ». . Please read carefully the op request.

That is not a bad idea. Never been a fan anyway. Never let the dumb too many freedom of speach. Sorry to rarehero, I will not being able to debate but I’m sure he likes pinball and he is dedicated to it and he wants good for everyone. He just can’t read.

Thanks Iceman. You’ll make my time on Pinside much better, after all those years on the site, I still don’t know all the tools ha ha.
I never congrats you for the Alien infos, you were right after all. If we were closer I would have offered you a glass of whiskey with pleasure.
You just missed the deadline by 2 years.

Life is too short.
(Wait for my next downvote )

I’ve heard from crazylevi than you can remove the view of this feature too and see only the positive.
Ok let’s talk about Raza again. The TWIP link shows great pictures of it and all the modes. I was surprised, it seems like it’s pretty loaded after all.

Or...it's just like, your viewpoint?

People here are very well informed on JPop, Zidware, and the ongoing deeproot saga, which may actually transform into games in homes, within months.

That being a possible reality, why beat this dead horse of "this is my view so it must be right, and all will listen, over and over again!!!" in this thread, other pinside threads, and Facebook?

We. Get. It.

Also, there's this:
deeproot-payment-policy (resized).JPG

While not a true refund, it's better than most have so far represented the case to be.

As one of the recipients of the deeproot Goodwill benefits, I can tell you that your store credit automatically appears at the top of the screen when you're viewing what is in your cart. Later, when you're making your payment you then have the option to use all or any portion of your store credit towards the order you are placing. Easy peasy.

Tell ya what, in hindsight it is true that haters gotta hate - literally because they get off on it, and I don't think it matters if they even get a reaction.

But, I will say this -- deeproot has definitely generated goodwill with the way they've tried to address those unfortunates such as myself who lost a ton of money with Zidware. Why the Pinside community isn't celebrating their actions on this front more is beyond me. I guess I'll just wait until I have a pair of NIB machines staring me in the face, and then see what the community has to say about it.

RAZA order(s) #100195 and #100198

Agreed...so back to RAZA...

Maybe I’m missing something...how or what shot loads the Xenon underplayfield physical ball lock?

I get the impression it is sorta straight up the middle. Try watching Steve Bowden demo RAZA in the YouTube video below; I believe he mentions shooting for the lock in there at least once. (It's been a couple weeks since I viewed it myself.)

Ok, I see who it is now with that downvote!

No brainer block!!!! Get the F outta here that guy

Look at that dopey avatar from a grown man

Can't agree more. Stoked about this machine

#153 Xtra version

Random question: how many people have order numbers where the bottom 3 digits are NOT evenly divisible by 3? (e.g. 198, 195, 153 are all divisible by 3)

I have number 5 does that count? (and number 7) Xtra's

Getting excited???

Umm...so far we have 5, 7, 25, and 136 in this thread alone. Kind of a strange question...any particular reason you ask?

So are they stoping pre orders at 300 of both machines or just the extra?

Just the Xtra is limited to 300. The impression I got is the Arcade version will be unlimited.
However, December 30th is the deadline to order for this batch.

That's interesting actually. I have 186, and my friend who ordered literally 2 minutes after me ended up with 189. Who knows, maybe they're leaving open slots to build for distributors or something. Or leaving a gap for deposit vs full paid.

Seems like RAZA is just a short run no matter what number comes in. Doesn’t look like both versions will equal 300 total by the order numbers people are talking about.

Maybe they keep going after a pause of these orders seeing what it takes to manufacture these. Looks like it will be over a couple hundred for sure.

Unless they contract manufacture this may be a big number to assemble for them.