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RAZA Pre-order Club: A Cautionary Tale

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#1901 4 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

It's not so much "greeted by Robert's lawyers". It's one guy Jason M., a good guy, it's just not worth it. Let it run its course and see where it goes. There are plenty of plaintiffs sitting idly by watching to see what happens.

Jason McKinnie

Who has done various trademark applications for deeproot and is the lead attorney for deeproot's defense in some civil cases

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twip-is-deeproot-the-next-misadventure-or-a-pinball-revolution/page/404#post-6397174

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twip-is-deeproot-the-next-misadventure-or-a-pinball-revolution/page/404#post-6397280

#1902 4 months ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

...

But I am curious how things played out in the final contract language, regarding what happens when Deeproot misses deadlines and what payments are triggered by what amount of time. Can someone who received the signup papers respond about the specifics?

Going to ask again.

#1903 3 months ago
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:

You'll speak when spoken to, Quebec.

Quebec even bigger Garbage! I am stuck and getting crushed in a socialist Can/Qc vice. Moving to beautiful Florida where pinball doesn't need permit tags on the cabinet and 16% tax when I purchase a NIB!

#1904 3 months ago

This thread should be lighting up soon….

#1905 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

smh - I guess give them points for creativity this time if nothing else.

#1906 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

Did you get the email?

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#1908 3 months ago

Sure but then you'll be in Florida, AKA the asshole of the Eastern USA.

Quoted from marlboroman:

Quebec even bigger Garbage! I am stuck and getting crushed in a socialist Can/Qc vice. Moving to beautiful Florida where pinball doesn't need permit tags on the cabinet and 16% tax when I purchase a NIB!

#1909 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

Shes a doozy!! I guess its best to pay employees, all while taking millions in PPP $$$$ Legal issues could arise lol.

And go!

#1910 3 months ago

Feel bad for y'all, this is not a great update. DR basically wrote themselves a doctors note allowing them to skip any more updates indefinitely. Notice how they made it quite clear they won't issue refunds despite this new legal issue. Court resolution can take years... how long are you buyers willing to wait at this point?

#1911 3 months ago

Care to share?

There‘s still people like me potentially in and just interrested.

#1912 3 months ago
Quoted from metallik:

Feel bad for y'all, this is not a great update.

Can you please post the update.

#1914 3 months ago

That update was actually worse than no update

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#1915 3 months ago
Quoted from metallik:

Feel bad for y'all, this is not a great update. DR basically wrote themselves a doctors note allowing them to skip any more updates indefinitely. Notice how they made it quite clear they won't issue refunds despite this new legal issue. Court resolution can take years... how long are you buyers willing to wait at this point?

Doesn’t bother me as much as non buyers clearly. Lol. I’m in for the long game not concerned.

#1916 3 months ago

Thx.

Wonder who sued them.

It‘s basically a „there‘s nothing we can talk about“ update, wich was kinda to be expected. They could still be updating on certification and stuff so it‘s really even less then anticipated.

Not good. Still hope they‘ll make it, why won‘t I?

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#1917 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Doesn’t bother me as much as non buyers clearly. Lol. I’m in for the long game not concerned.

I'm not sure why you'd post this, as I guarantee you're more concerned about your RAZA than I am. Unless you simply don't care at all about your own money? I know you're trying to "look cool" in this thing, but really, saying this unfortunate update doesn't bother you is just silly.

#1918 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Doesn’t bother me as much as non buyers clearly. Lol. I’m in for the long game not concerned.

Is the long game “no game”? More like “in for the long con”.

Send me some money, I’ll at least be honest with you and tell you you’re getting nothing for it.

#1919 3 months ago

I too hope some day I have so much money that I can use it as toilet paper.

#1920 3 months ago
Quoted from adamross:I too hope some day I have so much money that I can use it as toilet paper.

Or in RMs case, other people money..

#1921 3 months ago

Dear RAZA Customer:

We are sorry for the length of time without an update. We have been contacted by a few of you within the last few weeks. The main topics were how many people took the refund offer (3), is the refund offer still available (No), and what the status of the RAZA builds are.

A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect. We were advised by counsel to not send out any substantive communication while they worked to resolve it amicably. We have taken that advice while patiently waiting for it to be resolved. The back-and-forth has taken much, much longer than we expected. So we are providing this brief update so you understand what the delay is about.

We cannot discuss the parties or what the complaint is about. We cannot provide a timeline. What we can say is that we are working hard to resolve/settle it and we hope will be resolved very soon. We will be able to give a meaningful update at that time. Until then...

-Robert J. Mueller, Principal
deeproot Pinball

#1922 3 months ago
Quoted from adamross:

I too hope some day I have so much money that I can use it as toilet paper.

At least you’d be getting something useful from your cash.

#1923 3 months ago

This update “SUCKS”!!!!!

#1924 3 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Care to share?
There‘s still people like me potentially in and just interrested.

What is "potentially in" ? There aren't any games for sale.

#1925 3 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

What is "potentially in" ? There aren't any games for sale.

Well, didn’t you hear? DR has 80 other titles ready to go! Pinball is easy!

#1926 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Doesn’t bother me as much as non buyers clearly. Lol. I’m in for the long game not concerned.

Crazybird

#1927 3 months ago

I will have my “Retro Atomic ~ULTRAMAN ~ before RAZA..

#1928 3 months ago
Quoted from frankmac:

This update “SUCKS”!!!!!

Meh, its the update we expected, a non-update..

#1929 3 months ago
Quoted from frankmac:

I will have my “Retro Atomic ~ULTRAMAN ~ before RAZA..

Dude, you are going to have shit not even invented yet, before RAZA

#1930 3 months ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Dude, you are going to have shit not even invented yet, before RAZA

110% Guaranteed. LOL

#1931 3 months ago

lawsuit with investors.....not going to end well

#1932 3 months ago
Quoted from Yesh23:

lawsuit with investors.....not going to end well

I wonder how many of those investors, current and former employees lurk here, watching, waiting.

#1933 3 months ago
Quoted from Yesh23:

lawsuit with investors.....not going to end well

Highly doubtful it's the Investors of the DR plans that are suing... if I were a gambling man I'd put my cash on it being some party that had prior involvement with Zidware trying to shake the bushes. Not that I have any clue about legal stuff, but I thought about the circumstances whilst speculating about the magnitude of this complication. it'd have to be a real doozie to ultimately have any bearing on me eventually getting my games.

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#1934 3 months ago
Quoted from Yesh23:

lawsuit with investors.....not going to end well

Wrong. There are no direct investors.

I like this update, it just means the saga continues and it’s going to drive the looky lou’s hanging onto failure absolutely crazy! Minds will be blown.

Odds are Billy, Cointaker or a group of wronged suppliers

Meanwhile, patience. I’ve got a lot of it

Been 7 years or so now? What’s another wait time

In fact, I’m popping open a beer on my way to Maui and I’m gonna enjoy this good drama!

How many theories or death knell posts will we get now? Ahhhh yes. It’s a beautiful thing

#1935 3 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Wrong. There are no direct investors.
I like this update, it just means the saga continues and it’s going to drive the looky lou’s hanging onto failure for absolutely crazy! Minds will be blown.
Odds are Billy, Cointaker or a group of wronged suppliers
Meanwhile, patience. I’ve got a lot of it
Been 7 years or so now? What’s another wait time
In fact, I’m popping open a beer on my way to Maui and I’m gonna enjoy this good drama!
How many theories or death knell posts will we get now? Ahhhh yes. It’s a beautiful thing

You and I seem to be the only two people that grasp how the 575 fund works… how many times do we have to spell that out?

#1936 3 months ago
Quoted from Scandell:

You and I seem to be the only two people that grasp how the 575 fund works… how many times do we have to spell that out?

Lol. They keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again Scandell.

The saga is just beginning! Only in about the 3rd inning

#1937 3 months ago

Let's relive some of those 'special' moments.

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#1938 3 months ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Well, didn’t you hear? DR has 80 other titles ready to go! Pinball is easy!

This is a RAZA pre-order thread, not a DeepRoot potential games thread.

#1939 3 months ago

Patience is a virtue...

Just wanted to chime back in to the other Pinsiders that preordered RAZA...hang in there and honestly best to put it out of your mind and on the back burner. Hopefully someday we get a pleasant surprise. Like a few others have mentioned, I too am in this for the long haul so I also am not concerned by this update. Disappointed at the lack of info on any progress I guess, but not worried as my money has already been spent. Have a great weekend...cheers!

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#1940 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

This thread should be lighting up soon….

It’s been lit

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#1941 3 months ago

dup posting

#1942 3 months ago

I know it's long and from an outsider but please read.

I was in on the original Zidware fiasco and I got tired of the Pinside abuse just as you guys must be. My solution was to take myself and my brothers off of Pinside and I formed a secret Facebook group. It's easy and quick to do, it's invited members only, and no one, absolutely no one can see or read your private thoughts and no one can discover the group accidently or not. Check Facebook for more information.

Whoever sets up the group is the administrator and they can appoint a co-administrator or two. You already know many of the people that are legitimate RAZA people in this thread and all they need to do is tell you their Facebook profile and the administrator sends them the confidential invitation from the FB group. The administrators can also kick people out.

Unknown people you will need to screen to make sure they are legitimate. **This is critical to keep out the riff raff**. Anybody I was unfamiliar with I had them scan and send me a copy of the Zidware contract before sending them an invite. I don't know what proof you guys might have but I'll leave that up to you. If someone is not on Facebook right now have them join. It's free and easy for anyone to do. And if they don't, too bad for them.

After you have your base group from this thread established, post a notice here for others to join and tell them there is a screening process. You guys have a few RAZA lukers I'm certain.

You have some really solid people in here and I would suggest Yelobird, Frankmac, Fulltilt, DS_Nadine, wrb1977, or Cheeks to be your administrators. There is a lot of really good people here and those are just off the top of my head. Sorry to those that I missed .

I'm telling you, this really works and you will have peace of mind while sending a big screw you to guys like me. The Big Lebowski people in the early years followed me with this idea and they had a blast returning to their Pinside thread now and then and taunting the boo-birds about their private sanctuary.

Also I would strongly suggest that you invite Robert Mueller to the group or an appointee from Deeproot. An appointee would be more likely.

One last thing I will tell you. Iceman will poo poo this idea to death because it's associated with me and he has a never ending vendetta against me. He's a smart guy and can be very convincing so I'll leave it up to you guys.

But I promise you, drain both threads until you're ready and you will have peace of mind and the doubters in this thread will just be talking to themselves. It will drive them crazy.

Also, prepare yourselves for a massive slow down as it wont match the pace of two Pinside threads. It will feel like nothing is happening... But there won't be any heat for you guys either and you can discuss things freely.

Oops. One last, last thing. Iceman will go along if everyone else does but be advised he will dominate the conversation and will try to take the group over. He has an insatiable need to be the center of attention and feel like he's captain of the ship.
Meh, maybe let him be a co-administrator if it makes him feel better. I won't care as I wont be there.

PS. He has me blocked so he might not see this.

Sincere best wishes guys. PM me if you have questions. You guys still have a long ways to go.

#1943 3 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I was in on the original Zidware fiasco and I got tired of the Pinside abuse just as you guys must be. My solution was to take myself and my brothers off of Pinside and I formed a secret Facebook group. It's easy and quick to do, it's invited members only, and no one, absolutely no one can see or read your private thoughts and no one can discover the group accidently or not.
Whoever sets up the group is the administrator and they can appoint a co-administrator or two. You already know many of the people that are legitimate RAZA people in this thread and all they need to do is tell you their Facebook profile and the administrator sends them the confidential invitation from the FB group. The administrators can also kick people out.
Unknown people you will need to screen to make sure they are legitimate. **This is critical to keep out the riff raff**. Anybody I was unfamiliar with I had them scan and send me a copy of the Zidware contract before sending them an invite. I don't know what proof you guys might have but I'll leave that up to you. If someone is not on Facebook right now have them join. It's free and easy for anyone to do. And if they don't, too bad for them.
After you have your base group from this thread established, post a notice here for others to join and tell them there is a screening process. You guys have a few RAZA lukers I'm certain.
You have some really solid people in here and I would suggest Yelobird, Frankmac, Fulltilt, DS_Nadine, wrb1977, or Cheeks to be your administrators. Wow, there is a lot of really good people here and those are just off the top of my head. Sorry to those that I missed .
I'm telling you, this really works and you will have peace of mind while sending a big screw you to guys like me. The Big Lebowski people in the early years followed me with this idea and they had a blast returning to their Pinside thread now and then and taunting the boo-birds about their private sanctuary.
Also I would strongly suggest that you invite Robert Mueller to the group or an appointee from Deeproot. An appointee would be more likely.
One last thing I will tell you. Iceman will poo poo this idea to death because it's associated with me and he has a never ending vendetta against me. He's a smart guy and can be very convincing so I'll leave it up to you guys.
But I promise you, drain both threads until you're ready and you will have peace of mind and the doubters in this thread will just be talking to themselves. It will drive them crazy.
Also, prepare yourselves for a massive slow down as it wont match the pace of two Pinside threads. It will feel like nothing is happening... But there won't be any heat for you guys either and you can discuss things freely.
Opps. One last, last thing. Iceman will go along if everyone else does but be advised he will dominate the conversation and will try to take the group over. He has an insatiable need to feel like he's captain of the ship.
Meh, maybe let him be a co-administrator if it makes him feel better. I won't care as I wont be there.
PS. He has me blocked so he might not see this.
Sincere best wishes guys.

Blocked me too. But good points.

#1944 3 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

This is a RAZA pre-order thread, not a DeepRoot potential games thread.

Same difference...

#1945 3 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Let's relive some of those 'special' moments.
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Oh man those were the days!

#1946 3 months ago
Quoted from wrb1977:

Patience is a virtue...
Just wanted to chime back in to the other Pinsiders that preordered RAZA...hang in there and honestly best to put it out of your mind and on the back burner. Hopefully someday we get a pleasant surprise. Like a few others have mentioned, I too am in this for the long haul so I also am not concerned by this update. Disappointed at the lack of info on any progress I guess, but not worried as my money has already been spent. Have a great weekend...cheers!

Hang in there brother. No worries. Great attitude.

#1947 3 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Lol. They keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again Scandell.
The saga is just beginning! Only in about the 3rd inning

If Raza is only in the third inning (7 years), you'll get your game in 14 years.

#1948 3 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I know it's long and from an outsider but please read.
I was in on the original Zidware fiasco and I got tired of the Pinside abuse just as you guys must be. My solution was to take myself and my brothers off of Pinside and I formed a secret Facebook group. It's easy and quick to do, it's invited members only, and no one, absolutely no one can see or read your private thoughts and no one can discover the group accidently or not. Check Facebook for more information.
Whoever sets up the group is the administrator and they can appoint a co-administrator or two. You already know many of the people that are legitimate RAZA people in this thread and all they need to do is tell you their Facebook profile and the administrator sends them the confidential invitation from the FB group. The administrators can also kick people out.
Unknown people you will need to screen to make sure they are legitimate. **This is critical to keep out the riff raff**. Anybody I was unfamiliar with I had them scan and send me a copy of the Zidware contract before sending them an invite. I don't know what proof you guys might have but I'll leave that up to you. If someone is not on Facebook right now have them join. It's free and easy for anyone to do. And if they don't, too bad for them.
After you have your base group from this thread established, post a notice here for others to join and tell them there is a screening process. You guys have a few RAZA lukers I'm certain.
You have some really solid people in here and I would suggest Yelobird, Frankmac, Fulltilt, DS_Nadine, wrb1977, or Cheeks to be your administrators. Wow, there is a lot of really good people here and those are just off the top of my head. Sorry to those that I missed .
I'm telling you, this really works and you will have peace of mind while sending a big screw you to guys like me. The Big Lebowski people in the early years followed me with this idea and they had a blast returning to their Pinside thread now and then and taunting the boo-birds about their private sanctuary.
Also I would strongly suggest that you invite Robert Mueller to the group or an appointee from Deeproot. An appointee would be more likely.
One last thing I will tell you. Iceman will poo poo this idea to death because it's associated with me and he has a never ending vendetta against me. He's a smart guy and can be very convincing so I'll leave it up to you guys.
But I promise you, drain both threads until you're ready and you will have peace of mind and the doubters in this thread will just be talking to themselves. It will drive them crazy.
Also, prepare yourselves for a massive slow down as it wont match the pace of two Pinside threads. It will feel like nothing is happening... But there won't be any heat for you guys either and you can discuss things freely.
Opps. One last, last thing. Iceman will go along if everyone else does but be advised he will dominate the conversation and will try to take the group over. He has an insatiable need to be the center of attention and feel like he's captain of the ship.
Meh, maybe let him be a co-administrator if it makes him feel better. I won't care as I wont be there.
PS. He has me blocked so he might not see this.
Sincere best wishes guys. PM me if you have questions. You guys still have a long ways to go.

I respect your words and suggestions. I thank you.

#1949 3 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I know it's long and from an outsider but please read.
I was in on the original Zidware fiasco and I got tired of the Pinside abuse just as you guys must be. My solution was to take myself and my brothers off of Pinside and I formed a secret Facebook group. It's easy and quick to do, it's invited members only, and no one, absolutely no one can see or read your private thoughts and no one can discover the group accidently or not. Check Facebook for more information.
Whoever sets up the group is the administrator and they can appoint a co-administrator or two. You already know many of the people that are legitimate RAZA people in this thread and all they need to do is tell you their Facebook profile and the administrator sends them the confidential invitation from the FB group. The administrators can also kick people out.
Unknown people you will need to screen to make sure they are legitimate. **This is critical to keep out the riff raff**. Anybody I was unfamiliar with I had them scan and send me a copy of the Zidware contract before sending them an invite. I don't know what proof you guys might have but I'll leave that up to you. If someone is not on Facebook right now have them join. It's free and easy for anyone to do. And if they don't, too bad for them.
After you have your base group from this thread established, post a notice here for others to join and tell them there is a screening process. You guys have a few RAZA lukers I'm certain.
You have some really solid people in here and I would suggest Yelobird, Frankmac, Fulltilt, DS_Nadine, wrb1977, or Cheeks to be your administrators. Wow, there is a lot of really good people here and those are just off the top of my head. Sorry to those that I missed .
I'm telling you, this really works and you will have peace of mind while sending a big screw you to guys like me. The Big Lebowski people in the early years followed me with this idea and they had a blast returning to their Pinside thread now and then and taunting the boo-birds about their private sanctuary.
Also I would strongly suggest that you invite Robert Mueller to the group or an appointee from Deeproot. An appointee would be more likely.
One last thing I will tell you. Iceman will poo poo this idea to death because it's associated with me and he has a never ending vendetta against me. He's a smart guy and can be very convincing so I'll leave it up to you guys.
But I promise you, drain both threads until you're ready and you will have peace of mind and the doubters in this thread will just be talking to themselves. It will drive them crazy.
Also, prepare yourselves for a massive slow down as it wont match the pace of two Pinside threads. It will feel like nothing is happening... But there won't be any heat for you guys either and you can discuss things freely.
Opps. One last, last thing. Iceman will go along if everyone else does but be advised he will dominate the conversation and will try to take the group over. He has an insatiable need to be the center of attention and feel like he's captain of the ship.
Meh, maybe let him be a co-administrator if it makes him feel better. I won't care as I wont be there.
PS. He has me blocked so he might not see this.
Sincere best wishes guys. PM me if you have questions. You guys still have a long ways to go.

Made me chuckle.
Boomer post.

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#1950 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

I respect your words and suggestions. I thank you.

Thank you for accepting my apology PM earlier today.

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