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RAZA Pre-order Club

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6 months ago


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“Which Edition Did You Order”

  • Arcade 27 votes
    56%
  • Xtra 21 votes
    44%

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#1451 9 days ago

Not sure if you guys saw .This was in the haters thread .If not enjoy

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#1452 9 days ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Not sure if you guys saw .This was in the haters thread .If not enjoy
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Think most are aware of the other thread and content we just choose not to participate as its a different dialog. No need to drag it around. With that said I do appreciate the Iceman's input.

#1453 9 days ago

Any other updates

#1454 9 days ago

Did anyone get a refund? I am on the waiting list, but have not been contacted.

#1455 9 days ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

Did anyone get a refund? I am on the waiting list, but have not been contacted.

I have a feeling you won’t be till they start to ship. So when and if that happens, are you willing to pay higher price tag?

#1456 9 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Think most are aware of the other thread and content we just choose not to participate as its a different dialog. No need to drag it around. With that said I do appreciate the Iceman's input.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Think most are aware of the other thread and content we just choose not to participate as its a different dialog. No need to drag it around. With that said I do appreciate the Iceman's input.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Think most are aware of the other thread and content we just choose not to participate as its a different dialog. No need to drag it around. With that said I do appreciate the Iceman's input.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Think most are aware of the other thread and content we just choose not to participate as its a different dialog. No need to drag it around. With that said I do appreciate the Iceman's input.

Thanks Dave ,I talked to a couple through PMs and explained I’m kinda a joker kidding around mostly just to get laughs .I’m a firm believer in laughter heals .We agreed most, or a very high percentage want DR to succeed no matter what’s posted .Everyone is very lucky to be into this hobby right now theres so much to choose from .

#1457 9 days ago

Not sure why I quoted you 4Xs lmao.

#1458 9 days ago
Quoted from gprotein:

I have a feeling you won’t be till they start to ship. So when and if that happens, are you willing to pay higher price tag?

I’m willing to roll the dice, but would want to pre-order from the company rather than buy someone’s slot directly.

#1459 9 days ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

I’m willing to roll the dice, but would want to pre-order from the company rather than buy someone’s slot directly.

I second that .Just unfortunate I’m not in position to without knowing the date ,not this year too much going on .I’ll just root from the sidelines no pun .

#1460 9 days ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Not sure if you guys saw .This was in the haters thread .If not enjoy
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25 cars 25-50 RAZA workers!

Could be a legitimate work force.. I hope.

#1461 8 days ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

I’m willing to roll the dice, but would want to pre-order from the company rather than buy someone’s slot directly.

You can’t preorder from DR any more. That period is gone and so was the preorder pricing. You have to wait till all the preordered ones are shipped if that happens, then you can buy the leftover at a new higher price from DR.

Still want it?

#1462 8 days ago
Quoted from gprotein:

You have to wait till all the preordered ones are shipped if that happens, then you can buy the leftover at a new higher price from DR.
Still want it?

That option is out the window also.. I am believe Robert said there will be no overflow. Just the 122 pins - the backer outers..

#1463 8 days ago
Quoted from gprotein:

You can’t preorder from DR any more. That period is gone and so was the preorder pricing. You have to wait till all the preordered ones are shipped if that happens, then you can buy the leftover at a new higher price from DR.
Still want it?

I’m aware the pre-order window closed in December. There is a waiting list maintained by DR for pre-orders. I am on it. As for a higher price, it’s not my primary concern, but where have they said that?

#1464 8 days ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

Where has Deeproot said that RAZAs available due to refunds requested would be at a higher price?

When they said they had 130 orders total (including as credit for Zidware customers) they said they would round up RAZA production to an even 150 units, but the overrun units would be sold for the true price of $8K plus options for the Arcade model and $13K for the Xtra version. Either Deeproot had been offering a discounted price for the pre-orders, or they never had their costs established and realized they were losing money at the initial prices (probably the latter). They later announced they would not be rounding up and would only build the 130 units. When rounding up to 150 they probably figured this would give them quantity pricing on 150 sets of the unique components for RAZA. When they found out that even 150 is a very small quantity and parts costs would be no better for 150 than for 130, they had no reason to make more than the 130. (So don't count on any RAZA-specific spares being available if you break something.) Most Pinsiders expect people waiting on the list (for units available as a result of refunds issued) to be charged the "true" pricing Deeproot announced after pre-ordering had closed. It does not look like many (if any at all) people have requested refunds, so only a very few people on the waiting list will be informed of the higher cost. If those people pass, then Deeproot will just move on down the list.

#1465 8 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

That option is out the window also.. I am believe Robert said there will be no overflow. Just the 122 pins - the backer outers..

As littlecammi said, Im not talking about the initial roundup to 150 here. Strictly the preordered spots that are cancelled/refunded will be passed on to the ones on the waitlist and they will pay the new higher price (assuming DR will deliver RAZA).

Quoted from Jack8765:

I’m aware the pre-order window closed in December. There is a waiting list maintained by DR for pre-orders. I am on it. As for a higher price, it’s not my primary concern, but where have they said that?

Do you really think they will let the waitlist peeps to buy a game which they finally figured out they are losing money on each unit built? Well, don't count on it. lol.

#1466 8 days ago

I think at some point the drama will be over, pinballs will be built or refunds will happen. No doubt they lose money on the first machine made.

I guess we will see what the July update looks like soon enough.

I have to imagine they build a few extra and charge a big price because that is what it actually cost. Will someone buy them, these days with the crazy money pinballs are getting - yes - someone will buy them. The other forum will lite on fire when they charge $12K for the handful available too.

#1467 8 days ago
Quoted from wamonkey:

The other forum will lite on fire when they charge $12K for the handful available too.

And I will care as much as I do now. lol

#1468 8 days ago
Quoted from gprotein:

As littlecammi said, Im not talking about the initial roundup to 150 here. Strictly the preordered spots that are cancelled/refunded will be passed on to the ones on the waitlist and they will pay the new higher price (assuming DR will deliver RAZA).

Do you really think they will let the waitlist peeps to buy a game which they finally figured out they are losing money on each unit built? Well, don't count on it. lol.

Why would they have a list if it serves no purpose?

#1469 8 days ago
Quoted from Jack8765:

Why would they have a list if it serves no purpose?

I think there is a just a miss communication. They noted they Do have a list and would contact those on the list at the end of the Raza run if there are any cancelations. May update. Know you have an open invite to play mine when it arrives.

#1470 8 days ago

I am going to leave mine in the box and play yelobird’s raza.
I’ll play it until that shooter lane looks like a zombie’s ass.

#1471 7 days ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Thanks Dave ,I talked to a couple through PMs and explained I’m kinda a joker kidding around mostly just to get laughs .I’m a firm believer in laughter heals .We agreed most, or a very high percentage want DR to succeed no matter what’s posted .Everyone is very lucky to be into this hobby right now theres so much to choose from .

So Robert Mueller’s a healer now?

#1472 7 days ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

So Robert Mueller’s a healer now?

When I get a PRO number, hell yeah.

#1473 7 days ago

The hater thread is gonna twist off when these games start rolling out!

They live for the failure of DR

Let it drama build up. They are out of ammo so it’s attacking us “stupid” redneck buyers now. Lol

#1474 7 days ago

Looking forward to the next update. Hopefully it is informative..

#1475 7 days ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

I think there is a just a miss communication. They noted they Do have a list and would contact those on the list at the end of the Raza run if there are any cancelations. May update. Know you have an open invite to play mine when it arrives.

Always a class act. Appreciate it!

#1476 7 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The hater thread is gonna twist off when these games start rolling out!

To Pinbar or not to Pinbar? That's the question. What is the latest that you heard?

#1477 7 days ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

To Pinbar or not to Pinbar? That's the question. What is the latest that you heard?

I think they are bringing it on Raza and I wish they wouldn’t but at this point with all the other parts delays I guess why not?

Again, my friend who works on my games now has played it extensively and says it’s really good!

So either way it should be fine.

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#1478 7 days ago
Quoted from gprotein:

the preordered spots that are cancelled/refunded will be passed on to the ones on the waitlist and they will pay the new higher price

That is pure speculation. RM did not say that. Only additional RAZA world habe been sold at higher price. The waiting list is not for additional machines anymore but for abandoned preorder spots. It would be odd to punish those who get into a spot someone else did hold @normal price.

#1479 6 days ago
Quoted from Makakka:

That is pure speculation. RM did not say that. Only additional RAZA world habe been sold at higher price. The waiting list is not for additional machines anymore but for abandoned preorder spots. It would be odd to punish those who get into a spot someone else did hold @normal price.

What ya saying is pure speculation in itself. Sure, believe that.

#1480 6 days ago
Quoted from Makakka:That is pure speculation. RM did not say that. Only additional RAZA world habe been sold at higher price. The waiting list is not for additional machines anymore but for abandoned preorder spots. It would be odd to punish those who get into a spot someone else did hold @normal price.

Huh?

How in the world is anyone who asks to be put on a waiting list (because they did not order within the time originally allotted) being punished by having to pay a higher price?

#1481 6 days ago
Quoted from RobT:

Huh?
How in the world is anyone who asks to be put on a waiting list (because they did not order within the time originally allotted) being punished by having to pay a higher price?

Just e-mail Deeproot and ask.? My understanding is #0-122 being produced between the Arcade and Extra editions. The BUY in window has expired or "sold out".

Not sure of any surplus after the 122 but I am not Deeproot.

#1482 6 days ago

Has anyone backed out/cashed out there original place? I have not heard of one FUD seller yet.

#1483 6 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Again, my friend who works on my games now has played it extensively and says it’s really good!

Happy to hear that. Any word on how far along game 2 is?

#1484 6 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Just e-mail Deeproot and ask.? My understanding is #0-122 being produced between the Arcade and Extra editions. The BUY in window has expired or "sold out".
Not sure of any surplus after the 122 but I am not Deeproot.

I’m sure it has been covered but didn’t DR say they were going to do a small overrun over the total number of pre ordered games?

#1485 6 days ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Happy to hear that. Any word on how far along game 2 is?

I think game 2 has been ready to go. With the parts and other delays maybe they change up the order of titles?

Stern has their own supply chain issues and they want parts first before everyone else and have the leverage. DR has none, at the back of the line. But the supply chain all over the world is getting better daily

#1486 6 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Just e-mail Deeproot and ask.? My understanding is #0-122 being produced between the Arcade and Extra editions. The BUY in window has expired or "sold out".
Not sure of any surplus after the 122 but I am not Deeproot.

My point was that if DR is charging more for RAZA to the people who are on a wait list, that is not "punishment." People had the chance to get in during the window that DR indicated, so those who didn't order at that time have no right to expect that they would get the same price by being put on a wait list.

#1487 6 days ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

I’m sure it has been covered but didn’t DR say they were going to do a small overrun over the total number of pre ordered games?

No longer as noted on the last update posted.

#1488 6 days ago
Quoted from RobT:

My point was that if DR is charging more for RAZA to the people who are on a wait list, that is not "punishment." People had the chance to get in during the window that DR indicated, so those who didn't order at that time have no right to expect that they would get the same price by being put on a wait list.

RM addressed this in the beginning, pre-order people took the risk and extra units would pay the higher cost for the machine. I think the pre-order people paid a guesstimate of a price and the later price for extra units (if any) will be paying a market price for the very few extra units made.

#1489 6 days ago

I will say that I have emailed Robert and Wilhelm a few a times recently and they got back with me immediately, both were very friendly to chat with and it sounded like all systems were a go.

#1490 6 days ago
Quoted from RobT:

charging more for RAZA to the people who are on a wait list, that is not "punishment."

Deeproot offer refunds bc of breaking all timelines. Bc of that already sold spots get vacant. A new buyer steps in to fill the gap. As a thank you deeproot burns an extra premium on his ass. That is just odd/unimaginable. and a total different story than someone who buys an extra machine deeproot deliberately built without an "original" buyer.

Willing to accept a 3 digit bet on that (if anyone demanded a refund).

#1491 6 days ago
Quoted from Makakka:

Deeproot offer refunds bc of breaking all timelines. Bc of that already sold spots get vacant. A new buyer steps in to fill the gap. As a thank you deeproot burns an extra premium on his ass. That is just odd/unimaginable. and a total different story than someone who buys an extra machine deeproot deliberately built without an "original" buyer.
Willing to accept a 3 digit bet on that (if anyone demanded a refund).

Kind of like JJP did with GnR?

#1492 6 days ago

I don't believe Robert and DR employees came this far and spent so much money with all that talent to just walk away now or any time soon.

After all this time and effort on the front end it's time to reap some of the rewards on the back end.

When they can get the production operation up and running and the process down, supply chain etc, Spooky, AP and JJP did it, then maybe they can start actually building some momentum by releasing these pins they have been working on for years now at a fairly fast pace.

If they can just get to cash flow neutral and stop the bleeding then they can start building a foundation for the longer term.

Will they ever recoup all those sunk costs? I doubt it but who knows. Anything is possible. But it doesn't really matter in the short term.

Or it just might simply be like the Billy Beane quote in Moneyball:

"I like Geronimo. The guy's an athlete. Big, fast, talented. Clean cut. Good face. Good jaw."

"But can he hit?"

“He’s got a beautiful swing. The ball explodes off his bat. He throws the club head at the ball and when he connects he drives it.”

“If he’s a good hitter, why doesn’t he hit good?”

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