Quoted from Svend:

Are you trolling or are you actually being serious? Product development is incredibly expensive. Do you seriously think that, in a competitive market, any company can afford to develop a complete title just to get their feet in the water?
Things like creating game-specific artwork, game-specific code, game-specific animations, game-specific parts, production tooling, game-specific prototypes, several years of wages of the design team cost hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not more) and are very difficult to recoup for a single machine. Let alone developing 2 machines with the goal of only selling 1 one them.

Quoted from DS_Nadine:I do too. Who said that?
I just said he's not "hiding" problems just because he doesn't tell you in detail each single one they have.
It is obvious they have problems, otherwise the game would be out in the wild.
The rest, yeah, well... they should propably share something, but they haven't up until now, so why start now?
And if their problems are bigger then they made it sound it would also fall back on them.
But time IS money indeed...

Quoted from Haymaker:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bro-please-bro-just-try-it
I'm sorry, sometimes I forget I'm talking to boomers on here

Quoted from Yelobird:

In the Owners thread, No I don't care about your view, opinion, as a non owner. Thanks.

Quoted from Calfdemon:

Pinside would be a very boring place if no one posted and there were no discussions. You have the ability to ignore or drain if you don't want to read someone's different opinion than your own. I don't understand people's need to try and silence others. Either don't read or dont comment if you wish. Or continue to comment, but others have the right to comment and discuss as well, even if you don't agree. You are welcome to heed your own advise if you want...

Quoted from Mbecker:

No one here is an owner. I didn’t realize the threads were so exclusive , yeesh

Quoted from wrb1977:

Wrong. And this post is not directed just to you, but to all the skeptics and haters that want to come here and spread all their wisdom and knowledge about deeproot

Quoted from Yelobird:

Very true. The investors thread. IE, already made the decision. The all things to hate about Deeproot thread is already there for all to beat the drum. To be honest at this point deposit or otherwise I only want DR to make this game for one single reason. To smile and watch that group crawl back under a rock. Again, Why this has become such a "holly then thou" thing for some in that group taking swipes at people that simply bought something They Want is absolutely comical. Dislike what you wish but crap on them not us. I do not follow angry mobs to take a side, I choose my own path and make my own decisions. As everyone in this thread has.

Quoted from Calfdemon:

Since you said its not directed JUST to me, that includes me. Show me 1 single post in this thread where I have said anything one way or the other about Deeproot. You won't find one. Get off your soapbox, we don't live in a bubble. People are allowed to have discussions and the jokes and slams you refer to in the other thread dont appear in this thread that I can see. People here were actually discussing things but since some of the current opinions don't fit a certain narrative, suddenly people are losing their shit and trying to shut people down.
Yeah, you got one thing right... The world we live in is alive and well here with people trying to shove everything through a one sided filter.

Quoted from klbonn:

The only haters and personal attacks that I have seen on these two threads , have come from yelobird.

Quoted from Calfdemon:

Since you said its not directed JUST to me, that includes me. Show me 1 single post in this thread where I have said anything one way or the other about Deeproot. You won't find one. Get off your soapbox, we don't live in a bubble. People are allowed to have discussions and the jokes and slams you refer to in the other thread dont appear in this thread that I can see. People here were actually discussing things but since some of the current opinions don't fit a certain narrative, suddenly people are losing their shit and trying to shut people down.
Yeah, you got one thing right... The world we live in is alive and well here with people trying to shove everything through a one sided filter.

Quoted from wrb1977:

Let me try going slow for you...
Read the very first post in this thread where the OP explains his intent and the purpose for starting this thread. If that’s not clear, I can’t help you.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Threads are not exclusive; but proper etiquette is to respect the forum thread topic you are in.
It’s that simple.
Simple respect.

Quoted from Jarson:

Its a new company and I have faith in the people involved

Quoted from klbonn:

The only haters and personal attacks that I have seen on these two threads , have come from yelobird. I am 60 years old and this is the first post, e-mail, text or letter l have ever written in my life. Sorry to have taken up people's valuable time. Thanks Christopher

Quoted from klbonn:

The only haters and personal attacks that I have seen on these two threads , have come from yelobird. I am 60 years old and this is the first post, e-mail, text or letter l have ever written in my life. Sorry to have taken up people's valuable time. Thanks Christopher

Quoted from klbonn:

The only haters and personal attacks that I have seen on these two threads , have come from yelobird. I am 60 years old and this is the first post, e-mail, text or letter l have ever written in my life. Sorry to have taken up people's valuable time. Thanks Christopher

Quoted from TreyBo69:

I don’t want your boomer ass throwing out your sciatic picking up the mic.
Sure you picked the winner in the litigation of maybe getting something vs squeezing blood out of a turnip. Good for you. You realized JPop was a bum with no money. (If more people realized this it wouldn’t have gone this far)
Deeproot is still a company that doesn’t know what it’s doing. That’s it
Saying they have nothing to do with Zidware, other than JPop, is willful denial.
But whatever. Imma go enjoy a fine IPA and some pinball. Apologizes to others who saw this, by southern standards, vicious argument.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Glad your posting but if you truly read the other thread you would see several moderated posts.
Here is a classic:

Quoted from wrb1977:

Let me try going slow for you...
Read the very first post in this thread where the OP explains his intent and the purpose for starting this thread. If that’s not clear, I can’t help you.

Quoted from klbonn:

wrb1977

I am using little words for you, because according to you I am slow. My apologies I read your warm and heartfelt advice, and read the OP's first post. You are one hundred percent correct; this is an exclusive owners preorder thread. What a special thing to belong to. I truly hope all of you get great working pins, and that Deeproot will flourish, as do all pinsiders.
Oh, by the way, you can look up my collection. I'm sure anybody who owns one of those games will not disparage from adding their considerable knowledge, opinions, views, and expertise to the discussions.
Thanks,
Christopher

Quoted from Mr68:

And you got caught red handed in the other thread posting a fake picture about Deeproot and lying about it.
Lets not pretend this is all one sided.

Quoted from klbonn:

wrb1977

I am using little words for you, because according to you I am slow. My apologies I read your warm and heartfelt advice, and read the OP's first post. You are one hundred percent correct; this is an exclusive owners preorder thread. What a special thing to belong to. I truly hope all of you get great working pins, and that Deeproot will flourish, as do all pinsiders.
Oh, by the way, you can look up my collection. I'm sure anybody who owns one of those games will not disparage from adding their considerable knowledge, opinions, views, and expertise to the discussions.
Thanks,
Christopher

Quoted from klbonn:

To Yelobird and wrb1977 ,
I apologize for my misunderstanding. I am new to posting, and still learning how to. I misread the quoted text. Thank you for your understanding.
Sorry,
Christopher

Quoted from klbonn:

wrb1977

I am using little words for you, because according to you I am slow. My apologies I read your warm and heartfelt advice, and read the OP's first post. You are one hundred percent correct; this is an exclusive owners preorder thread. What a special thing to belong to. I truly hope all of you get great working pins, and that Deeproot will flourish, as do all pinsiders.
Oh, by the way, you can look up my collection. I'm sure anybody who owns one of those games will not disparage from adding their considerable knowledge, opinions, views, and expertise to the discussions.
Thanks,
Christopher

Quoted from klbonn:

To Yelobird and wrb1977 ,
I apologize for my misunderstanding. I am new to posting, and still learning how to. I misread the quoted text. Thank you for your understanding.
Sorry,
Christopher

Quoted from Mbecker:

No one here is an owner. I didn’t realize the threads were so exclusive , yeesh

Quoted from cpr9999:

It was a joke just like others including yourself who were posting funny, fake shit.
Just following your lead. See your pictures below of Foodtruck or Pinpoke!!
Need I remind you of the fake shit you posted in the hate thread.
Or if you post fake funny shit that goes against the hate crowd in that thread it’s not cool. What a double standard.
Look in the mirror dude. What a classic DB move. Go back to the hate thread and sling your insults there.
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Quoted from Mr68:

Your fake picture was a troll and not a joke, you only tried to play if off as one after you were caught. And you failed in trying to make that case.
And yes, I posted a lot of jokes in the other thread as you have illustrated. Guess what, I stand by all of them because they were directed at Deeproot and never at any of the pre-order guys. And none were posted in this thread. There's a significant difference if you will take a breath.
In fact, I even stood up on behalf of Wrb1977 and Fulltilt and another pre-order guy in the opposing thread. What have you done?
Also, if you want to see insults and personal attacks, here's a list of Iceman's comments from the other thread along with several of his moderation notices and punishments.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twip-is-deeproot-the-next-misadventure-or-a-pinball-revolution/page/3?tu=iceman44
Again, don't play this off as one sided.

Quoted from BertoDRINK1:

Any time you feel like a 40 yard foot race or push up challenge let me know. I ain't no boomer.

Quoted from klbonn:

The only haters and personal attacks that I have seen on these two threads , have come from yelobird. I am 60 years old and this is the first post, e-mail, text or letter l have ever written in my life. Sorry to have taken up people's valuable time. Thanks Christopher

Quoted from cpr9999:

First that is your interpretation (troll vs joke). Did you reach out an ask my intentions or did you just jump to the hater view? BTW I could take your foodtruck post the same way (or can’t I interpret the same way. Are you now telling me how to think!)
Never played this off as 1 sided as I said others were posting funny fake shit (of course the hater view is only 1 sided in that thread. 1000 negative posts to 1 positive. Try to post anything remotely positive and the burning pitch fork crowd will tear you down).
People posted crap in other thread including you and me. So don’t sling crap my way. If you post anything that looks good for DR whether it be real or funny the wrath of god comes down on you. What a sad bunch of people that hate 1 company.
Let the haters hate over there. Also, Look above on who started this over here - you did!
I can go round for round in every thread if you want.
However the adult thing to do is again - GET back on topic - RAZA pre-order thread.
How hard is that to understand?

Quoted from Mr68:

You failed to convince people that you were joking. - Happy to take your private message if you'd like to continue.
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Quoted from klbonn:

Oh, by the way, you can look up my collection. I'm sure anybody who owns one of those games will not disparage from adding their considerable knowledge, opinions, views, and expertise to the discussions

Quoted from cpr9999:

GET back on topic - RAZA pre-order thread.

Quoted from cpr9999:

Glad your posting but if you truly read the other thread you would see several moderated posts. Care to post again saying you missed reading a few?
Here is a classic:

Quoted from TreyBo69:

I have no regrets talking to Ice like that. He’s tries to shout people down. Plus he’s a big boy. There’s no animosity between us.
Something about middle aged men being called boomers really triggers some of them though. I’ve gotten modded for it a few times now lol. People hate being compared to their parents.

Quoted from kklank:

I think I get the whole Boomer thing now.
It seems like it’s used at times by a younger person to be dismissive to someone older at times. Not ALL the time though.
But I’ve seen a number of times that term used in different threads and it’s never been a compliment.
There’s a lot of extremely intelligent people on Pinside that are very strong at debate. Flynnibus comes to mind. I don’t agree with most of the stuff he throws out there but I respect his opinion.
When I see someone call someone else a Boomer, I feel that person has given up on articulating their position and throws out the “Boomer” comment. Basically showing their weak, immature and have no intellect. In other words, a pussy. Lol!

Quoted from kklank:

I think I get the whole Boomer thing now.
It seems like it’s used at times by a younger person to be dismissive to someone older at times. Not ALL the time though.
But I’ve seen a number of times that term used in different threads and it’s never been a compliment.
There’s a lot of extremely intelligent people on Pinside that are very strong at debate. Flynnibus comes to mind. I don’t agree with most of the stuff he throws out there but I respect his opinion.
When I see someone call someone else a Boomer, I feel that person has given up on articulating their position and throws out the “Boomer” comment. Basically showing their weak, immature and have no intellect. In other words, a pussy. Lol!

Quoted from TreyBo69:

Ok boomer
In the context of what was being said, it was Ice escalating it and me playfully poking him back. If I wanted to be an actual asshole, I’d be an asshole. Instead I even end my boomer post with an apology.
I was just a bit surprised I got to be the example of a troll compared to some others. I try to be respectful to everyone who behaves respectfully or when I defer to their expertise.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Well said and spot on definition.

Quoted from kklank:

Again you think that’s playful. But it’s not to everyone.
It’s a dismissive term.
I’ll tell you what. I won’t call anybody on Pinside a pussy and you don’t call anybody a boomer on Pinside.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

How about we not use any dismissive language at all? Wouldn’t that be grand.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

How about we not use any dismissive language at all? Wouldn’t that be grand.

Quoted from kklank:

Well I tried.
Back on topic.
So which RAZA did you place an order? Arcade Edition or The Extra Edition?

Quoted from Yelobird:

Imagine that, a pinball forum dedicated to discussing pinball and not new cool guy terms to insult others! Don't suspect he was targeting you personally just the slang in general. Personally I have not seen or viewed your posts as offensive or personal just participatory.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

Something about middle aged men being called boomers really triggers some of them though. I’ve gotten modded for it a few times now lol. People hate being compared to their parents.

Quoted from Yelobird:Imagine that, a pinball forum dedicated to discussing pinball and not new cool guy terms to insult others! Don't suspect he was targeting you personally just the slang in general. Personally I have not seen or viewed your posts as offensive or personal just participatory.

Quoted from Haymaker:

Its just if you're going to write off my comment, at least don't totally miss the point because I said the word "bro" and you're out of touch. Thats big boomer energy. Obviously, not directed at you, Yelobird. I have no hard feelings for anyone, but it just seems easier to say "boomer" than to explain why the obvious joke went over somebodies head. "You see sir, there is this thing on the internet called a meme. There exists a meme where you say bro a lot and it is meant to mock people who are trying hard to convince another person of something. Therefore when I said bro multiple times, it was in jest, as I do not normally speak in such a manner. It was merely in reference to the "please bro" meme as a means to better explain my point"
Whats more, its highly recommended not to respond to the accusation of being a boomer with desperate attempts to explain why you are, in fact, not a boomer (I can beat you in a foot race haha!) That just creates even more comedy and in itself is more boomer energy. Sorry though, I'm not trying to cause more trouble just explaining why boomer may have got tossed around perhaps more than it should have.