The Xtra cabinet is badass for sure!

I believe the neon rubbers are $100.

Thanks for all the responses so far...keep em coming! THIS is what pinball is all about...having fun and being excited about a new company with tons of potential and their first title...RAZA!!!

This is another one of those games that come along and looks very special. I hope everyone gets their game and myself included!
I can’t wait to see the cabinet and backbox artwork in person. I’m excited!

Has everyone downloaded and setup the PinAcess Deeproot phone app. I have mine set, rather simple and a nice interface.

Do we have any insight into whether they are doing another run of RAZA after this Jan-Feb batch? It can't be preorders and then done forever.

Some of your answers can be found in the FAQ in the yellow box towards the top of this page...

https://deeprootpinball.com/shop/machines

They will never make RAZA again...this is the one and only run.

OP beat me by 41 seconds! Lol

happyclan if you haven’t seen this yet you may find it of interest...

https://deeprootpinball.com/about/upcoming-games

Thanks wrb1977 . It does say they'll have the production round ups at premium. But round up to what? 199 pins gets rounded to 200 or 1,000?

I think once RAZA starts shipping there’s going to be a lot of people hoping it gets rounded to 1000!

I would take that with the BIGGEST grain of salt...

6 years of trying to get this off the ground, and they are going to take orders for 20 some odd days only, ever?

No, just no.

After they figure out how to manufacture a game, and make money on it, they will seek out more orders.

^this.

The only reason I can think of not to do it would be the RAZA machine has design defects that they can't get around for this build. In short, this is a mass produced prototype. Small run keeps complaints small and manageable for hotfixes and such. Roll the Ford Model A before the mass build of the Model T. Pure speculation but trying to find a rational reason for 20 day order window too. I confuse.

Anything is possible but in my opinion and a few conversations with DR it sounded like the primary interest in clearing this title was to fullfill those (previous company) promises and obligations that ordered this title. And to do a test run of the production line. Again, just a Guess but I think this was a good will run and nothing more. Would love to see it run again but time will tell.

This is what I have been told also. RAZA is done and on to next new pins.

Raza is done. You’ll never see it again.
This is a marketing model they should stick to with every game.
It’s brilliant!

I agree with the sentiment, never say never, but I do think this will be the only run of RAZA due to all of the circumstances surrounding it. Deeproot is ready to move on. However, if they do someday do another run of RAZA it will be well after they release the other pins they have on their upcoming titles page.

When it's ever 'in the house' I'll be letting out this long held sigh.

“In the house” is all that really matters now...it’s crunch time!

This. This is going to sell out every game. They are going to sell tons of game due to FOMO and raza is going to be a modern day BBB. Rare and desired. Makes no sense in a typical market but is a great strategy for a collectible. Basically it's a real LE but without the flippers. They will sell as many as they can within 30 days then that's it.

...yeah but at the prices they sold them and the low quantity they aren’t making hardly any money on them (disregarding the years of effort sunk into them).

They could do this fomo bs every game but either prices gotta go up or quantity sold needs to go way up.

Some Sunday morning hype.

How is spooky making money then and staying in business?

Thanks! Been awhile since I watched that...can’t wait!!!

By actually actually designing, manufacturing, and shipping games in a timely fashion.

Hey guys

Despite my pessimism in the other thread, I want to sincerely wish all of you the very best. There is still a long ways to go yet but if you guys benefit in the end, that's all that really matters.

Interesting to note that both threads have slowed as we enter an intriguing phase of this long drama. Will games be shipped on time and with what level of quality.

Wrb1977, I couldn't find any Mad Elf in my area but from you or anyone in this thread, I will gladly accept beer or drink recommendations that pair with a plate of crow.

ZING!! HBO is probably going to be calling when you're slinging such edgy humor. Nice work.

Thanks Kim! Agreed...we are in the rubber meets the road, crunch time, sink or swim, etc. phase. Nothing that has happened to this point matters. Like you said, there really is nothing to talk about at the moment.

Don’t sweat not finding the Mad Elf as it was one of those beers where the more I drank it the less I liked it! Unlike many, you have been fair in your skepticism and criticism of deeproot. Time will tell on who eats crow...I’m hoping it’s the majority in the other thread as crow doesn’t sound very tasty...unless maybe it tastes like chicken?

He HAD to be joking when he said Spooky ships games in a “timely fashion”.

Does anyone know if they have should the Xtra topper yet?

They noted Q2 on Xtra version topper.

IDK where you're head is at but bottom line? Spooky announces games and builds games, which they then ship. My R&M, which arrived less than a year after I ordered it, is case in point.

As a new startup, deeproot should aspire to Be Like Spooky. Period.

That was not a knock against Spooky, but I can see how it could be taken that way. Please let me clarify what I meant. I like some of Spooky’s pins and absolutely admire what they have accomplished. Their business model works for them and they purposely are limiting their production capabilities. The downside of that is they can only ship a limited number of pins each week, therefore, many customers are waiting a very long time for delivery due to the number of pins sold. I realize this is by design and part of their business model. A year is not in a “timely fashion” in my opinion, but works for them. Sorry again if it sounded like I was knocking Spooky, I was not.

I thought I read somewhere that Spooky was looking to team up with Chicago Gaming and Ben Heck on there next machine inorder to get more production space.

RAZA!RAZA!RAZA!

Lot of speculation on how Deep Root should run their business. One thing I do know is that it must be a hell of a lot of stress but also a lot of fun to create your company’s first pinball machine and one of this caliber. (I know, it hasn’t happened yet!) But making one single amazing machine doesn’t make a company.

Having a manufacturing assembly line THAT PRODUCES MACHINES IN A TIMELY FASHION is absolutely critical to the success of a PROFITABLE and LONG TERM company. By offering a limited run, this gives your company the opportunity to go through this process from cradle to grave and then identify what you did wrong, problem solve and make adjustments.

Hopefully the well doesn’t run dry and they make it happen.

I’ve already commented earlier why having a limited run is the perfect marketing model in regards to “marketing” your product when starting a pinball company.
If their first machine plays great and is reliable, their next machine(even Food Truck) will be sold out. This is similiar to Spooky’s model. It works.
Plus Deep Root will have most of the capital necessary to produce their next machine by selling out immediately. ZERO SPECUALTION is the other key that’s critical to the SHORT TERM success of a pinball company imo. (First 10 years).

I’m blown away by the quality of the product offering fo a company’s first machine. Very excited.

VERY excited!

Most of the links are broken on the site. Smells like a technical issue with the site vs something more sinister.

The game is no longer for sale as they made very clear from the start. No conspiracy they simply Removed links to the game no longer for sale as they are no longer of value to anyone other then those that are now customers. Plus they appear to be converting over the site to the app format to log players and content. Same as the app I was asking about and registered for previously.

I’m not worried one bit. I think you are over analyzing this and making a big deal out of what I assume to be nothing.

God I can’t wait until these games ship so all this madness stops!

It’s Saul Goodman. Like the owners group I suspect DR doesn’t care what the other forum group think as they will simply make it up as they go anyway. Give it time these will roll.

Who is Saul Goodman?

Cousin to Hugh Jass

It was simply a joke. Granted anything DR related has to be analyzed so I should have stuck with simple talk.

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