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(Topic ID: 106257)

RAZA for sale


By hank527

6 years ago



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  • Latest reply 6 years ago by hank527
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#51 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

Oh, I think the game will be awesome. I just no longer want to wait as its a year out. Jon needs to get his but in gear and get Magic Girl delivered next year. Then RAZA, which I'm optimistic may be done at next years expo, but there's no guarantee on that.

Totally agree Hank, I hear you, we all have to make decisions on what to keep and what to unload.

It's a great problem to have! Congrats on the TBL move, that one looks awesome.

#52 6 years ago
Quoted from Pdxmonkey:

He's got four different ones without the alien too, that's just the one he brought

^ Was just gunna say this ^
JPOP wouldn't need to do anything from scratch as he has several other options without the alien already completed.

#53 6 years ago

jpops game is going to be crazy. When its made, it will be spectacular. My problem is I'm not sure when that will be and do not like the uncertainty associated with the potential delivery. I also think the NDA is dumb as if anyone not in on any pre orders or with patirnce , would see the design, they would be blown away.

Why does John do this? I do not know?

#54 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

Why does John do this? I do not know?

I concur! I don't understand it, it's working against him big time. His work is his best marketing. At this point, he should scrap the whole secrecy thing imo. Wtf do i know

#55 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I concur! I don't understand it, it's working against him big time. His work is his best marketing. At this point, he should scrap the whole secrecy thing imo. Wtf do i know

His point is protecting the patents he filed. But it's a shame, he's just scared now cause he's been doing the secrecy thing for three years. If he had a few diff translight versions, which he probably does, and the one he promised to hold up for people to see at the start of the expo talk was going up on pinball news, why hold it up for a second to put in the game and when he saw all the cameras pop out freak out and cover it up.. I only said a second was his reply. Bullshit he was trying to place it in the game and freaked out cause of the cameras.

#56 6 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

His point is protecting the patents he filed. But it's a shame, he's just scared now cause he's been doing the secrecy thing for three years. If he had a few diff translight versions, which he probably does, and the one he promised to hold up for people to see at the start of the expo talk was going up on pinball news, why hold it up for a second to put in the game and when he saw all the cameras pop out freak out and cover it up.. I only said a second was his reply. Bullshit he was trying to place it in the game and freaked out cause of the cameras.

But he could be showing a lot if mockups or sketches. I believe Hus patents relate to LCD placement etc..,

#57 6 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

Its over guys . Sadly it's over

+1

Whatever updates JPop is making on his secret squirrel forum isn't worth enough for this guy to stay.

Another year has gone by and still no working prototype.

#58 6 years ago
Quoted from Magic_Mike:

+1
Whatever updates JPop is making on his secret squirrel forum isn't worth enough for this guy to stay.
Another year has gone by and still no working prototype.

Perfection requires patience!

#59 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I don't mind jabs and the perception is that Jpop backers are all idiots right now. When the reality hits, whenever that is, I'm confident that my belief and support will be rewarded. We've already seen enough to know its true.

I don't think any of you are idiots, I was just wondering if it could get to a point where you said you've had enough. I'm a fan of JPOP's games, so I don't doubt the talent, just his ability to orchestrate mass production of a pin. Anyway, good luck I hope you guys get what you want.

#60 6 years ago
Quoted from Honch:

I don't think any of you are idiots, I was just wondering if it could get to a point where you said you've had enough. I'm a fan of JPOP's games, so I don't doubt the talent, just his ability to orchestrate mass production of a pin. Anyway, good luck I hope you guys get what you want.

Yes, if there isn't a significant shift in transparency or updates to owners I see a breaking point coming for a few people around the holidays.

#61 6 years ago

I love how the mods will shut down a civil discussion regarding cannabis, but will let a for sale thread get crapped on non-stop.

Good luck with the sale!

#62 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Perfection requires patience!

As it stands, it's going to take him four to five years just to get a working whitewood.

So, how long do you think it's going to take him to mass produce these?

At what point does patience becomes superfluous?

#63 6 years ago
Quoted from Roostking:

I love how the mods will shut down a civil discussion regarding cannabis, but will let a for sale thread get crapped on non-stop.

It's a forum, deal with it.

#64 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

i no longer want RAZA as I have too much tied up in pre orders. I want out.

If you truly want out, post pictures of what you and the RAZA Illuminati know, in order to attract a potential buyer.

Otherwise, you might be stuck with your spot for another year or two.

Showing up to Expo with nothing but artwork and empty cabinets, after three years, is not going to entice anyone to buy your spot.

#65 6 years ago
Quoted from Magic_Mike:

If you truly want out, post pictures of what you and the RAZA Illuminati know, in order to attract a potential buyer.
Otherwise, you might be stuck with your spot for another year or two.
Showing up to Expo with nothing but artwork and empty cabinets, after three years, is not going to entice anyone to buy your spot.

I'd love to post them, but legally I signed a NDA. I wish Jon would step up and give us firm dates and post pictures for non buyers to see. I have had enough with RAZA, MG and Alice in Wonderland and no clear cut direction or indication on when the game will be produced.

The game looks incredible, the lack of sticking to a time frame and working on three games at once is troubling. I'm pretty sure the games will get made, but when?

So if someone wants my spot, then I'm a seller as I would like to free capital to buy something now. My patience on this game has worn thin.

#66 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The "odds" are not even close, sorry, but say what you want about his business practices but Jpop has 3 pins in the top 20 and has worked in pinball for 30 years and evolved into one of the greatest designers ever.

And all of that success came under solid project management, with budgets and timelines and people cracking whips.

#67 6 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

And all of that success came under solid project management, with budgets and timelines and people cracking whips.

Yep, id love to crack the whip and have him focus

#68 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

The game looks incredible, the lack of sticking to a time frame and working on three games at once is troubling. I'm pretty sure the games will get made, but when?

So if someone wants my spot, then I'm a seller as I would like to free capital to buy something now. My patience on this game has worn thin.

Just get a refund directly from Zidware.

They are in breach of contract for not following the production timeline that was given in the contract. As such, the provision that your deposit is no longer refundable is not enforceable.

Get a refund.

#69 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

I'd love to post them, but legally I signed a NDA. I wish Jon would step up and give us firm dates and post pictures for non buyers to see. I have had enough with RAZA, MG and Alice in Wonderland and no clear cut direction or indication on when the game will be produced.
The game looks incredible, the lack of sticking to a time frame and working on three games at once is troubling. I'm pretty sure the games will get made, but when?
So if someone wants my spot, then I'm a seller as I would like to free capital to buy something now. My patience on this game has worn thin.

This is exactly why I'm not currently buying. I don't want to waste Johns time by getting in, then getting the link and then saying it's not for me. If I could just see what he has so far then I would probably be in on this.

#70 6 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The "odds" are not even close, sorry, but say what you want about his business practices but Jpop has 3 pins in the top 20 and has worked in pinball for 30 years and evolved into one of the greatest designers ever. Who is DP? Looks like a great first effort, but "odds are" Jpop is the right jockey.

JPop is only as good as his last game. The odds have shifted.

DP has provided evidence to indicate the odds of TBL shipping are greater than RAZA right now.

#71 6 years ago

This is exactly where I felt with JJP close to a year ago. Deadline after deadline missed. I had a for sale ad ready to post and a couple of people talked me back.

I know exactly how you feel. Its not a fun place to be.

I think you might want to stick with it and see if the games get built. This is the most negative press JPOP has ever received for anything and it may jolt him into seeing these projects to completion.

#72 6 years ago
Quoted from gearheaddropping:

This is exactly where I felt with JJP close to a year ago. Deadline after deadline missed. I had a for sale ad ready to post and a couple of people talked me back.
I know exactly how you feel. Its not a fun place to be.
I think you might want to stick with it and see if the games get built. This is the most negative press JPOP has ever received for anything and it may jolt him into seeing these projects to completion.

I think something is going change. Its a huge leap of faith, but there is a payoff

#73 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

I think something is going change. Its a huge leap of faith, but there is a payoff

Amen Brother! Bump

#74 6 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

I think something is going change.

Agreed. Are you still selling your spot or have you reconsidered?

#75 6 years ago
Quoted from ChrisVW:

Agreed. Are you still selling your spot or have you reconsidered?

As of now, spot is still available. Im on the fence and selling the spot is a sure thing, while the reward is huge if things change.

If this gets sold and Jpop goes in the direction I think he is heading, id most likely jump in on magic girl as that is going to get made next year.

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