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Ratings, time and the seriousnesses of Pinball


By Caucasian2Step

11 days ago



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#1 11 days ago

So I started thinking about this when I was playing gold ball down at the Manitou springs arcade here in Colorado. The reason why this was important to me is because I finally got the chance to stand in front of this game with someone who knew how to play it well.

I had been unkind in my review of this game earlier. To the point where someone called me out for being overzealous on the matter. And while I did enjoy being on a rant about a game, this person had a point.

which really came down to the fact that I had judged something (gold ball) and not thought about it. Rather, felt about it, and not in a good way.

There's a number of things going on in my life and in relation to pinball for me this year that have been changing. Prioritization in how I spend my time in the hobby has changed, as as intent with going to shows. even competition has been altered. As in I haven't played in a single tournament so far this year.

I can't say that I miss competitive play. I miss more of the people that I would play competitive pinball with then actually playing pinball competitively. Strange, isn't it? Actually it isn't. I stopped by the tourney room at Texas and I saw a whole bunch of people standing in the same body language type. Pursed lips, furrowed brows, crossed arms and clenched buttocks. I spoke to one friend there and headed out right quick. All I could think to myself is "Damn... They look like they are having so much FUUUUUUUUUUNNNN!" I'm going to go over here and play for the fun of it. Imagine that?!?

So there's a lot of things happening with now I'm seeing things in my life and how I choose to spend my time doing those things. Which brings us to the point of gold ball and review that I wrote for that game. Someone really liked gold ball, end took issue with the review I wrote. And I remember thinking to myself "wow, I think I just read this review out loud and boy do I sound like a cranky dude." The little voice in the back of my head says "Listen to what you are saying". If I ever meet Jiminy cricket, I'm stomping him flat.

that's not who I want to be, especially when I'm supposed to be enjoying playing a game of pinball. So somebody showed me the game (gold ball) and how it played and I have to say that there were some interesting things about it that I did not know about before. While the layout is not incredible, it's not bad either. the hard thing is that you have to compare that game to such incredible games coming out of Bally's factory for that vintage, that the game still is okay. Not good, not great, but certainly not worthy of the negative description that I gave it earlier.

so I took some responsibility for this and updated the review and the scores and added a version update. But with this really comes down to is pinball in the life's journey that is the real life analogy of the game we play. I don't know if this is growing older or growing up, but I do appreciate the feeling that it's more true to myself.

And that's what it could pinball review should do. Be true.

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#4 11 days ago

I hear you making a meta-point about how your life viewpoint at any given point in time, can color the reviews (of anything). This is true.

I'll say this.

I'm not great at reading rules and making sense out of them. I am mostly sure that that was an intentional move -- to increase revenue -- keep them vague!

The reason I mention that -- is that some of my reviews don't even take the rules or code into account. (I am so focused on layout and the sounds.) And when someone is generous with his time, and shows me the game rules, I tend to come home and up the rating a little bit...

It's funny the different ways various games wind their ways into our hearts, and apparently one of my favorite ways is when someone gives me a guided tour...

ALSO, leaving a number rating for a game is tricky business. I have most games on a scale from 6-10. I do that because I think most pinball is good. My main goal in ranking them is to find a way to put them all in order in my mind/heart... Whether I started at 1 or 6 doesn't matter in my system, but I choose to kinda start at 6 as my way of honoring most games to some degree... Now if I got to rating 800+ games like you, then I'd be hard-pressed to use the entire strength of the decimal system and start my reviews at 1 and slowly work my way up... I am lucky to still be <100 ratings.

In my world, my ratings are bread crumbs for me...

So, I hope you can find a way to not give a rat's ass as to what anyone thinks about you or your reviews. For every disappointment, there are many other people out there appreciative that you've left so many thoughtful reviews.

-mof

#5 11 days ago

If the criticism is constructive and valid, I want to hear it.

Good to meet you in the real of Truckee.

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#6 10 days ago
Quoted from Caucasian2Step:

And that's what it could pinball review should do. Be true.

A good pinball review should be short and concise and yet totally irrelevant to anyone else as its 100% selective to the individual.

#7 10 days ago
Quoted from Hazoff:

A good pinball review

fun game: 10.0

#8 10 days ago
Quoted from mof:

fun game: 10.0

Perfect review.

#9 10 days ago
Quoted from Caucasian2Step:

So I started thinking about this when I was playing gold ball down at the Manitou springs arcade here in Colorado. The reason why this was important to me is because I finally got the chance to stand in front of this game with someone who knew how to play it well.
I had been unkind in my review of this game earlier. To the point where someone called me out for being overzealous on the matter. And while I did enjoy being on a rant about a game, this person had a point.
which really came down to the fact that I had judged something (gold ball) and not thought about it. Rather, felt about it, and not in a good way.
There's a number of things going on in my life and in relation to pinball for me this year that have been changing. Prioritization in how I spend my time in the hobby has changed, as as intent with going to shows. even competition has been altered. As in I haven't played in a single tournament so far this year.
I can't say that I miss competitive play. I miss more of the people that I would play competitive pinball with then actually playing pinball competitively. Strange, isn't it? Actually it isn't. I stopped by the tourney room at Texas and I saw a whole bunch of people standing in the same body language type. Pursed lips, furrowed brows, crossed arms and clenched buttocks. I spoke to one friend there and headed out right quick. All I could think to myself is "Damn... They look like they are having so much FUUUUUUUUUUNNNN!" I'm going to go over here and play for the fun of it. Imagine that?!?
So there's a lot of things happening with now I'm seeing things in my life and how I choose to spend my time doing those things. Which brings us to the point of gold ball and review that I wrote for that game. Someone really liked gold ball, end took issue with the review I wrote. And I remember thinking to myself "wow, I think I just read this review out loud and boy do I sound like a cranky dude." The little voice in the back of my head says "Listen to what you are saying". If I ever meet Jiminy cricket, I'm stomping him flat.
that's not who I want to be, especially when I'm supposed to be enjoying playing a game of pinball. So somebody showed me the game (gold ball) and how it played and I have to say that there were some interesting things about it that I did not know about before. While the layout is not incredible, it's not bad either. the hard thing is that you have to compare that game to such incredible games coming out of Bally's factory for that vintage, that the game still is okay. Not good, not great, but certainly not worthy of the negative description that I gave it earlier.
so I took some responsibility for this and updated the review and the scores and added a version update. But with this really comes down to is pinball in the life's journey that is the real life analogy of the game we play. I don't know if this is growing older or growing up, but I do appreciate the feeling that it's more true to myself.
And that's what it could pinball review should do. Be true.[quoted image]

I always appreciate your reviews and effort put in to them. thanks for continuing to do them and update when you feel needed.

I just wish we lived closer so we could jam out on games together more often.

p.s. sell me your Defender when you are ready to pass it along

#10 10 days ago

It is important to keep in mind that a less good pinball machine is still a pinball machine.
The bad ones are still good.
Also, every game is not for every person. Just look around on here and you will find at least one person who dislikes every great game. There's also at least one person who loves every "bad" game. Not a fan of Gold Ball myself, but haven't played it more than a couple quick games. I do like Popeye though.

#11 10 days ago

I have read many of your reviews, mostly they seem fair to the game you played. If one reviews an older game with problems, hopefully the problems are noted, or review the game after the repairs are made.

I do get a little miffed when I read that a Pinsider, states that that game is no good, after only playing 1 ball, whether it is a brand new or an old EM. Give us a break, so one should take their review and ignore it? One has to play 5 maybe 10 games to get a feeling for the game IMHO.

A review is the opinion of the rater. Didn't like the theme, they rated it low, however most of us know that that game is challenging, fun and the theme is OK.

Each to their own, in a way. Overall, reading a rating, and watching a game play video, before buying a pin is a wise plan.

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