It's garbage.

Nobody wants to see a bunch of tools running around hitting "tilt" and "outlane". It's a useless, retarded feature.

What's wrong with the positive scoring?

+1!!

It's like censorship by the masses.

If you don't have a popular idea or comment, no matter how truthful it may be, watchout. We now have the Pinside equivalent of the "craigslist flaggers".

...good change.

You know, we don't disagree on everything. I think we are just complete opposite people.

Censorship? Really?

The post rating system is about awarding good posts, not about censorship. It's about giving more points to people who write good posts. Where's the censorship in that?

The Tilt Warning is offered as a tool for folks who are at their workplace and want to hide content that might get them into trouble. It's for people who are surfing the Pinside on the couch next to their wifes or kids and who don't want to be surprised by "objectional" content. If you don't care about this you can simply disable the tilt filter and see everything. Where's the censorship in that?

this is fun but a waste of time.. but still you can just ignore it.

now please please rate a 3x scoring on this post!!! my life depends on it!!!

I like the IDEA (EDIT: of the Tilt) of it, but I don't think the idea is clear to everyone that will use it. I have my tilt warning set to 0 so I'm at least willing to try it out for awhile though.

The positive thing is fine by me.

EDIT2: Also sick of any censorship talk on internet sites.

Yah, it's not censorship, I don't think most people think that. It's just kinda icky, unnecessary and easily abused.

aaaahhhh now i get it. the tilt is just for folks that cant watch porn at home, or ofensive language. cool!!
mine is off, of course

Why not just make the list of people who tilted a particular post public? Seems like that'd curb a lot of "abuse" from people who like to click buttons that make other people annoyed.

Or just treat them like the meaningless internet points they are and ignore them, first thing I did was change the hiding threshold to -11

Or if you want tilts to be anonymous, just give everyone a maximum of 1-3 per day.

I like that one.

You give anybody a tool to muffle what somebody says or posts, and it will be used (abused) for censorship.

Yes, I know that you can still reach the comment by clicking on "show", but it still detracts from what the person said. It makes me feel like saying "screw it". I'll go somewhere else.

So yes, you participated in an ugly form of censorship by doing this. Like it or not.

As was said at least 9 times by now, you can TURN THE FEATURE OFF. It's not censorship.

It could just cause hard feelings too.

It should be off by default.

I totally agree. If you go into work, you can change it, sitting with the wife and kids, change it.
Obviously people are going to start showing up, notice this thread, notice there are 0 posts in it because they are hidden , and not know what the hell is going on.

EDIT: I just tilted it myself.

this topic is full of tilts... guess is full of "objectional" content.
i agree with pzy, everyone should have only a maximum of 1-3 per day

I also don't think just anybody should be able to negatively impact another person's profile.

Nothing like giving out an anonymous minus karma tool, well to the tools. I can see how it pissed off B_R and made him not want to contribute. This rating system is crap for the community.

If I keep posting in this topic my karma is going to go negative.

I think it's awesome lots of people have lots of opinions about Pinside, and it's mostly very constructive. Keep in mind this is day 1 of a huge feature rollout, so cut Robin some slack dammit!

I like the idea of limiting tilts per day. I also like the idea of removing tilt warnings but keeping the positive karma flags.

Maybe people should only be able to tilt their own posts (or moderators can do so)... This way posters can indicate themselves that the content they are posting might be considered objectionable by others, for example when posting a juicy picture. This should be sufficient to meet the purpose of the tilt feature (the poster himself should be aware he is posting questionable content) without giving 'the bad people' a weapon to abuse the system.

The only downfall is there will be only one tilt level this way (on or off) but this might make things more clear as well...

Yuck! Hopefully you cant by accident tilt someones post with a touch screen device.

Hmm interesting, I have not added a tilt since I last posted in this thread. Reading through it now a few posts are hidden by default and are easy to scroll past. At this point I am done adding tilts unless it warrants it, but like I said this is going to be abused.

In its original idea of blocking nsfw content it is a good idea. The problem is who decides? It ends up being censored based on opinion. Somethings are obviously nsfw, but if you dont like the post you tilt it. I like the idea of the op being able to tilt their content as a warning to others. It is less likely to be abused although people will need to learn to use it.

Rock Rock Rock'n Rolling Games!

That would stop the abuse dead in it's tracks.
Also only allowing 'uprating' posts would be good; it would help maintain a positive vibe on the site.

Just having one level seems a small price to pay to make it all work better.

I figured the community would be mature enough to see the benefits of Tilt Warnings. But it seems you can never do right for some people. Tilt Warnings were built to help people enjoy the Pinside without being surprised by content which most people would agree is NSFW.

I don't understand the upset and anger about this feature when it was made to make the site more enjoyable for all (less content needs NSFW moderation and less folks will be confronted with "objectional" posts on their workplace: a win-win situation). And I definitely don't understand the cries about censorship when a simple click on "unhide" or even disabling the Tilt Warnings altogether is all that's needed to revert.

Removing all Tilt Warnings in this topic now, let's try again and if you have good ideas how to improve the system then you can simply say so.

I guess we shouldn't tie this post to please donate... j/k

Positive points seem fine to me. A lot of forums have similar features.
I just think the Tilt needs an explanation at the selection icon that it is not for posts you disagree with but rather posts that are NSFW or not safe for families. Also the forum default should be everything including tilts are viewable, and the user must select to hide Tilts if they want.

Hey BR

Don't know how it works but if they F with you too much let me know.
I am on this site off and on 24hrs a day I could just pad your post with likes to counteract the douches.
I have read many of your posts and don't see what there problem could be.
They are probably all heartless bstrds.

Your cool by me
Good luck hope the ratings system doesn't turn into CL flagging

I think the tilt should be for that users account only...
if I think that it might "not be pc" and I mark it as "tilt" it should only not show on my pc.
point being, that if I don't like someone... or prob more like it they don't like me. they could tilt every one of my posts and no one would see them...
how it should work is, if I tilt something I should be the only one who doesn't see it.

I hope that made some sense... please rate... lol

Bam, that's a perfect solution.

Robin said: I figured the community would be mature enough to see the benefits of Tilt Warnings.

IF the community is mature enough, IF, then the same would hold true that the starter of a post would be mature enough to auto-hide/tilt their own post.

This. I think the original poster should be able to flag their posts and moderators should be able to as well. Just in case somebody doesn't Tilt a NSFW post that should have been. Simple solution.

Time for bed now! Thanks for all input, everyone! I'll sleep on it (literally) and make some adjustments tomorrow. Martijn's suggestion (+moderators ability) is definitely a good idea as is eliminating "zero" post scores. Food for thought... uh.. sleep!

The new system here is genius. It rewards others for helping. It gives a reward for helping someone out.

Maybe just remove the ability to downgrade someone you may disagree with (if that's what the tilt is for).

Tilt warnings
Another part of the Post Ratings system is called "Tilt Warnings". A tilt warning is a flag for "possibly objectional content". In other words, if YOU feel a posts may be objectional, unsuitable for work or for viewing in the family living room, an internet cafe or your parent-in-law, then give it a Tilt Warning.

Other Pinsiders can set a threshold of how many Tilt Warnings a posts may have before it is automatically hidden. You can set it very safe: 1 warning will be enough to hide a post. Or set it to unlimited (meaning no posts will ever be hidden).

I don't think it takes anything away,(karma) and if you set your tilt to 0 you see everything anyway/ either way.... it could cause problems for people who don'tunderstand they can do that... it would be really hard to read a string if your settings are set to high and people are tilting all your posts...

A better alternative to the tilt system would be a way to view small thumbnails of all images displayed on a page. This way a viewer at work or with family members nearby can mouse over (or click) the button to display the thumbnails and get an idea of what images the page contains before scrolling down and discovering a huge photo of a pinball model wearing a thong. I think it would much better fit the nature of internet forums than tilt warnings.

Also, removing the outlane voting option is equally as good. If the system is designed to promote helpful posts and advice, why include an outlane option at all? Abuse is a problem across ALL internet forums, and it's a tricky and annoying thing to weave around when you're developing new systems for a forum involving user feedback.

Feel like I have been reading a script for SURVIVOR:Pinside. Even the highest ideals WILL be brought down to the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, that's human nature.

Since the incidents that caused this system to be pursued, the number of really low level nonsense on the site diminished by itself. It would be helpful to have an idea when readers feel that a thread is one of the better ones, but that may predictably turn into into an instrument of vendetta and cause the division the system is trying to avoid. I do not think the potential gain outweighs the effect of empowerment of contention.

I am willing to see how it works but will be very judicious in awarding points and refuse to knock any effort unless it is clearly mean-spirited and abusive. Everyone will be on their best behavior initially, and then it may breakdown. I am pretty sure that some of the aggressive negativity will float my way, but that is okay. I come to Pinside for the fun of sharing a great hobby among others free to do so.

I am not much for cliques or division. And this topic has made strange bedfellows for me with a few that I went at it with when I first came here, and I find that interesting.

I would let positive points evaluate threads and not members (the lower the score, the less valued the thread is evaluated), but we are all trying to contribute with info, help, stories, questions, humor, inanity, etc. I do not want to intimidate someone who may be a bit more timid from participating because of a perceived risk of experiencing rejection. I can decide what I want to follow. Sometimes the masses think differently than I do.

I would remove the possibility for the exercise of a vendetta against others. I would leave it up to the poster to mark when a topic is NSFW (I don't think this stuff belongs here, but boys will be boys, and I too am one). If a topic is not properly marked, the moderators should mark it as such being more involved with standards.

evaluate threads not members; encourage constructive feedback (positive or negative) not gratuitous criticism; promote responsibility of the member and empower moderation when member responsibility is ignored.

I know I have rambled above. Chances are I may have misunderstood or missed something that contributes to a thought above that may be off base. Do what thou wilt.

Any system of governance depends on the integrity of those under that governance. I want to be wrong and find pinside can continue a proper atmosphere with the rating systems in place as it has the past 6 weeks or so without the rating system.

Onward and upward.

I don't see any reason to be upset over the karma points voting thing. To me it's an amusing feature (only because it's pop bumpers), but doesn't add or subtract anything from the site. Do you guys put some value in your number? Some of the most abrasive posters have many times more points than other frequently helpful or insightful members.

It not about points, but about avoiding unnecessary contention. Again, it may work out differently in practice.

To be honest, I hate this feature. I understand Robin's trying to get rid of the useless posts and trolls on here, but it isn't working.

I like it and the new look. So easy to ignore it if you don't like it. I already saw someone use tilt to police a particularly useful jpg.

I agree with MrWizzo. I also give Robin a thumbs up for trying new things to improve the site. It's always a work in progress. He always listens to feedback and i'm sure he will have solutions.

I like it and really appreciate all the work that went into creating it.... but, I would still love Pinside just the same if it was removed due to people abusing it.

Another thought... tie the system to karma so people with lower karma influence ratings very little, and people who have been around awhile and understand the people/site could have a greater impact?

I don't know. Just trying to find a happy compromise. Whatever is decided I'll be happy with.

So we would then exist in a "Karma Caste" system?

I'd be afraid that when I died, I would come back as a Popeye pin.

Honestly guys, I'm not seeing any signs of abuse of the ratings system in my browsing numerous threads throughout the forums tonight. Earlier today, I saw some of the nonsense going on where a certain member seemed to be getting their posts downvoted for no real reason. That seems to no longer be happening though.

I think after the system is in place for a little while, people will become acclimated to it and it will be used as intended (and ignored by many). The only real change I see that needs to be made is to make it so only the OP or moderators can Tilt a particular post. Although even that would probably become a non-issue over time.

Like it? use it. hate it? Don't. Wtf is so complicated?