This is awesome! I like how you matched the color of the ramp chasing leds to the mode. Are you just keying off of which insert is lit/flashing in the triangle grid near the flippers? Or are you reading the color info on the shot's insert/ST symbol as the ball enters the ramp? Im not a ST owner, so im not sure if those color always match. It seemed like in the multiball mode in your demo that the inserts were changing colors back and forth etc.

As a programmer ive got the wheels turning for all the possibilities.... Adding prem/le like GI lighting to a met pro for example...

Does the board have to drive strips, or could it drive multiple runs of normal led sockets like for GI?

Well done sir, well done!

Damn it now you make me want a ST pin. Awesome work

Wish i could upvote this more than once!

Without bulbs makes sense

Just think what you could do for TF pro/LE. The mode you are in i think would be easily read from the lamp matrix as the insert in the playfield flashes. You could have yellow gi for bumblebee, red green for mudflap skids, etc. Maybe it would put some diveristy into the modes that some people complain about being repetative/similar...

Sorry if you have answered this before, but does this support RGB color changing leds ?

Yep im in as well. Take my money!

It seems like the pick inserts, fuel inserts and fuel gauge insert leds are flashing/flickering. Is that just the video/camera? or is that the way the led pro is? or is that a side effect of the boards? I see it in both the BEFORE and AFTER blackened videos above.

I have an original pro (no leds) that I have put CT non-ghosting premiums in and I don't notice any flickering like this on my machine.

Its likely just the camera/video and/or the leds in that machine, but I wanted to ask.

Thanks,

Rick

Thanks. I figured it was the camera/video. This is awesome work!

Programmers work is never done. Hehe

You may have posted this before but what language/tools do you use to develop this? How do you load code on your board(s), etc.

Looks like you have doubled up the insert sockets for your CIU inserts? How difficult was that? Did you have to mess with diodes etc. Mine only has one socket per insert. It bugged me that they werent centered, so i made a plastic piece to center the sockets.

rick

Im surprised the cross up and down switches work on pro. I thougt that had to be added to the game software.?

People have been really wanting the spinners that some have added and wired up to the pic targets to "work". I think but didnt go back to confirm HOOKED was making those spinners.

Perhaps there are some empty slots in the matrix so that when the switches on the spinners activate you could flash a GI light near by or something more creative.

Im not sure how many peeps have those spinners. It required you to modify a plastic or two so that might keep some from making the purchase.

Just an idea.

You continue to impress me, good job!

If im not on the list already please add me. Must have.

Bandit you are doing a great job of supporting everyone. Even while you are out of town. Cudos!

Anyone on the fence for this should just buy it. It is awesome!

I was thinking the other day and the only time i ever noticed a issue with the MI getting confused was because all the GI was off for a few seconds.

Realizing that there are probably always gonna be corner cases where some crazy combo of events happen, could the "default" behavior be "all 3 strands on" vs all 3 strands off? (Or with the lastest code, i guess that would just be white-on, blue/red-off.). That way i dont think it would be obvious that the MI board missed a cue here or there.

SOLD!! Thats the part i was most worried about

Upgraded my met GI light show code to 1.03 epthegeek version. I like it so far. Makes the red and blue effects for different events stand out more.

Only downside is that when in all white only mode the GI is dimmer. I may experiment with adding some different types of leds in the white positions near the player just to brighten it up some.

Awesome job on this mod!

I was thinking more along the lines of some 2 headed flex leds that would go into the existing sockets.

But i see where you are going with adding additional wiring.

Ill keep you posted if i come up with anything that i think others might want to replicate.

Thanks again for the awesome work!

Love this!

An someone post a link please.

Do new spidey and old spidey have to have separate sets of code for your TLS board?

Cant wait. I just pulled the trigger on a SMVE!

This looks awesome!!! Im getting my SMVE today between 10 and 2. I agree wit epthegeek, seems like the inlane ball guide lights should do what the slings are doing. Is that possible? The backstop lights staying factory/white dont really bother me.

You continue to amaze me. Great work!

Bandit,

Updated my code on Met pro to 1.7. When test playing i noticed my white strand of leds are all out. Honestly i dont think it has anything to do with the code update. And i wish i would have noticed if they were off before i updated the code.

I took some pics with the game in attract mode. Nothing looks fried or loose. The white wires are snug in the connector.

I havent done any debugging other than taking some pics and confirming that all the white leds are out. Rebooted machine a couple times.

I figured id start by checking with a dmm to see if power was coming out of the white circuit. What voltage is normal?

Im running 2.02 version of the TLS code that i updated on 5/22/2016.

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Nevermind.

I left the game off for an hour or so. Then came back to start investigating. I double checked the connections on the board and then booted up and all was working fine.

Sorry for the false alarm

Thanks! I was super anal. I taped and zip tied everything up. Probably took a few hours and much longer than normal. Hehe.

Plus you are dropping science and doing development!

I did the black electric tape and zip tie for my old sockets too. I even wrapped the sharp metal tabs on the sockets so they dont nick the other wires in harness.

Only thing that might be helpful if i had to do it again would be to fiind a way to label the old sockets so you know where they go in the unlikely event that you need to remove the TLS mod.

Good point. I was thinking like they were insert lights.

The wire memory would probably make it obviuos where they should go. But say a couple years from now that probably wont be true.

I updated my TLS Board today to latest code and used a new windows 10 pc. Worked just fine. I did have to follow the troubleahooting page for telling windows where the driver is for the TLS board. But the instructions are spot on. No probs woth win 10.

Ooo ooo any chance the xmen GI relays are the same that stern uses in transformers? If so does that mean the possibility of stopping the pulsing of the GI when optimis ramp is up??

Super annoying

RGB GI death, does that kill TLS in SMVE?

Thanks for the explanation. That is what i thought you were saying. I just wanted to clarify. I totally understand. Thanks again!

Hooked spinners have alligator clips. To use your board would we wire the spinners to the board or into the games switch matrix? Does the new board connect to TLS?

Thank you brother. As always im humbled by your skillz.

Cant wait! Sounds silly, but the spinners not even connected make the game more fun. Feels so good when you get a zinger flying up the left or right side and that spinner goes crazy.

Lookin forward to more details on how to wire up the spinners.

As always great job!

Idc pusher is a plastic tool to push wires into an idc connector.

Not to speak for bandit, but yes it requires the total light show board to be installed.

Im a bit confused. Are we adding idc connectors to the

machines switch matrix
Or
The cables between the matrix interceptor and the machines sam board

Sorry for the ignorant question.

Sweet!

Ordered. Cant wait!

does the cross addition to TLS connect in the same/similar way that the spinners do (idc connectors on the TLS cables between the TLS and the game boards?)

Marco sells the cross mech, but its really expensive
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-9810-00

So i guess you are trying to keep yours under that price?

Sounds great! Im in!

Received my package from ya today. Looking forward to installing it this weekend

Bandit do you think there would be any issue if i put the connector for the spinners close to the TLS board instead of up near the sam boards?

I was thinking for wiring neatness it would be better to have the spinners connect near the TLS board.

The yellow wires for the spinners, does it matter which spinner they go to? I did the back box wiring first then the playfield and i didnt keep good track of which wire was which.

Got my TLS code updated to 2.10 and my spinners all wired up. Both spinners working and making sound!

Thank you so much Bandit!

Only issue i had was a config problem with my PC (windows 10). The updater program was giving an error saying it couldnt find jvm.dll. apparently between last July when i last patched my TLS and today something changed with my PATH and the jvm.dll wasnt visible on the path.
Added JAVA_HOME env var and added that to my path and then things worked just fine.

Windows env var settings and the command prompt in general are horrible compared to the linux stuff I use at work.

In order to get my flourecent tube back in place with the serial cable in place i had to remove one of the screw fasteners for the connector.

Jusy thought id post my solution to this minor problem.

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This and the TLS are top notch must haves for met pro!

Just played a few games with 2.10. But i had a bunch of sucky low scoring games. So i dont think i got to modes where the sound should change. A grave marker mb and sparky mb and thats about it.

It was a blast to rip shots up the orbits and get that spinner sound playing! Perhaps i was focusing on doing that and not really what i should be shooting for for high scores.

I have stock audio on my met. No sub and no upgrades. I play with the volume around 25 to 30 on the machine usually. Admittedly like you said the bass drum sound was faint. But i picked it up even during louder songs pretty well after i played a bit.

My pc battery died literally moments after i uploaded the code. After about 45 mins of fiddling with the jvm.dll issue i mentioned above. (Again an issue with my PC and not the TLS).

Ill swap in to 2.11 and let ya know feed back on that soon.

Installed 2.11 today. I think ill stick with 2.11.
Both default sounds work good. 2.11 is audible a bit more than 2.10 as you described. Both are subtle and with the shaker and other callouts and music they can get a little lost in the mix. But in reality you dont really want your spinner sound to over power the rest of the game.
My favorite is the fuel engine rev sound when the spinner goes fast like when you rip a ball up the orbits. I havent replicated this with the glass on, but that is a nice addition!

Dont forget drilling out the metal lane guide to allow the 3rd hole. I think pros only have 2 holes.

I guess you could just do red and blue or whatever.

But if you go to that extreme then you might go all the way...

Bandit thank YOU for making my Met even more awesomer than it was from factory!

Cant wait! I got my pinnovators board and sub setup and the spinner sound and the music and regukar callouts really pop with 2.11. This will allow easier testing for which mode is best.

Thanks again for continually making this mod even better.

So am i wrong to start getting my hopes up for SMVE support revival?

Awesome!

Hey bandit enjoyed the aerosmith ramp video. Got me thinking... does that mean you have a tls board that works with spike bus? Or did you work some other magic?

So sorry

Hmmm. Would be a pita to get to the USB port and buttons on the bottom board. Dongle would help with USB, but buttons might require a poky stick or something. Or could the top board load code into the bottom board too?

About chest height.

Ba dum dum. Hehe

I was thinking something like the pin stadium lighting kit (assuming it can be made to change colors on demand) might be cool to drive from the total light show board. Maybe that would revive the work you had put into SM/SMVE. If I remember correctly that stalled out cause the expense of programmable leds you had developed. Maybe the code you had for recognizing the modes could be used to drive pin stadium to make the blue for venom, yellow for sandman etc.

Just a thought, may still be too expensive? Dunno.

Impressive.... Most impressive

Played some Met tonight. Stumbled on a scenario that sent my TLS into "stuck total dark" mode for a minute or two. Dont think ive ever had this scenario before so here it goes.

Started lady justice
Started fuel
Started snake MB.

Im not sure when in this timeline lady justice mode timed out. It may have stopped before snake MB. Its hard to tell cause the lady justice music and DMD animations are overridden by the snake MB. But things were dark until i fell back into single ball play.

Seemed a hit to sparky may have been the event that let TLS get back on its feet. Game continued as normal.

To be clear im not complaining. I love the TLS and ive had hundreds of games on Met with no issue. Im just providing info in case it helps you in your awesome R&D efforts.

Cheers!

Bravo!!! Would these mount on like 8 inch standoffs horizontally under playfield to allow exisitng wiring and mechs to exist under it.

Or are u thinking vertically hanging off back of the playfield where it woukd hang down a bit and be in a consistant place from game to game?

How does this connnect with TLS main board?

TAKE MY MONEY!

heres some ideas playing on roman numerals and the 30 connections

RGBXXX
XXXRGB
or just XXX

hehe

Or geek it up some and go hexadecimal for 30 (1E)

RGBLED1E

I dunno, nothing awesome, just some suggestions.

Status bump

Merry Christmas all!