(Topic ID: 10569)

Raised Inserts - To Lower or Not To Lower

By ikrananka

12 years ago



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  • Latest reply 6 years ago by FatPanda
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#1 12 years ago

I am in the midst of tearing down and cleaning my Judge Dredd machine
and have got to the point of removing all of the playfield pieces and
cleaning and polishing the playfield. However, I have found that ALL of
the inserts are very slightly raised. None of them appear to be
exhibiting any wear around the raised edges but I have found that the
clearcoat around one or two of the inserts is definately cracked and can
be easily felt as a very narrow crack when running a finger nail gently
across it.

This is a home use machine and so will not be subject to frequent and/or
heavy use. I plan on waxing the playfield and keeping it regularly
waxed while I own it (which will be many years). I have read a lot
about the various methods for lowering raised inserts but have found
nothing to answer the following questions that I have swirling around in
my head:

1. If I keep the playfield waxed is it really necessary to lower the
inserts? Will the wax not provide adequate protection against wear
along the insert edges? Or is it more about the raised inserts
affecting gameplay.

2. If I do lower the inserts then does this not cause the clearcoat to
crack around the insert edges (or at least make any cracking worse)? I
can find no discussion around what to do about any cracks that form?

3. If the inserts are lowered, is there any concensus on what glue to
apply underneath? I have seen talk of using super (CA) glue, wood glue
or epoxy.

4. What can I do about the two inserts that clearly do have cracks in
the clearcoat around the inserts? Would painting water based Varithane
into the crack using a very fine paintbrush work? I'm also thinking of
putting some of Pinball Pal's playfield stealth protector material over
the area, but I would like to seal the crack first.

Really appreciate any help with the above. As usual, I seem to have hit
a roadblock on the refurb and can't seem to make a decision on how best
to proceed.

#2 12 years ago

1. Raised inserts will wear more, likely regardless of the amount of wax. I don't know that for certain, but that's my best guess.

2. You're not lowering the insert but a fraction of a mm, so I wouldn't expect the CC to crack. CC is poly based so it has some flexibility, even cured.

3. Super thin SG is the only way to go. When applied it will wick up in between the insert and PF and provide the best adhesion.

4. Super thin Super Glue to the rescue again. You can fill in the cracks with it.

#3 12 years ago

Great thread, good information, I will have to do this to my NGG soon!!

#4 12 years ago

Definitely leveling the inserts is the best option here. Wax, as stated already, wont offer any protection on the edges. Wax is a film to help decrease friction from the ball rolling on the PF. When the ball hits the edge of the insert (raised), its going to wear. If by chance the clear does crack a bit, Varathane would fill it in nicely. Ive used it for just that very thing with good results. As well as leveling a low insert to. Its a bit of a time consuming chore leveling the inserts, but your saving them in the long run, not to mention making the game play better. A hair dryer and some super glue will fix you right up. Havent tried SG to fill in around an insert, but sounds feasible enough. Good luck!

#5 12 years ago

Great feedback guys - thanks.

I think I'll try the 12" deep throat c-clamp method rather than the heat and hammer method. It'll be a few weeks but I'll post back here with some info in how I get on.

6 years later
#6 6 years ago
Quoted from ikrananka:

Great feedback guys - thanks.
I think I'll try the 12" deep throat c-clamp method rather than the heat and hammer method. It'll be a few weeks but I'll post back here with some info in how I get on.

No, you wont. hehe

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from Occelot:

No, you wont. hehe

Don't rush the man...perfection takes time...

#8 6 years ago

#9 6 years ago
Quoted from Occelot:

No, you wont. hehe

He's probably already sold his $1400 game and doubled his money by now.

#10 6 years ago
Quoted from Occelot:

No, you wont. hehe

This joke was 6 years in the making...now THAT'S dedication

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