(Topic ID: 54934)

R911 Helicopter Help!

By Milton187

10 years ago


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#1 10 years ago

Hi Folks,

Really need your help here. I have a r911 that I'm refurbing.
When a ball enters the "trap" the helicopter travels to the "Golf Tee"
and smacks into the ball and continues to try to fly past the "Golf Tee".
It only grabs the ball for a second then drops it.

It will stay parked above the golf tee and not return to the top of the machine.
I replaced the main drive motor as it was shot.
I replaced the lift link on the golf tee.
I ohmed out the wire harness to the copter.

What am I missing? Stop opto seems to work. I put a card in it when the copter is in route and the copter stops.

Anyone else have this prob?

Thanks,

Milton

#2 10 years ago

Anyone have a r911 with this prob and solve it?

Milton

#3 10 years ago

Can someone tell me what happens when you activate heli directional relay? (when in service mode)
Does the copter move? Mine moves in forward but does not return. When I activate the directional
relay I can here it "click" but the copter does not move.
Can someone verify this is correct?

Thank you for your time,

Milton

#4 10 years ago

Mine is in pieces right now...but... do you have a good rubber wheel on the copter? Before I tore mine down, I was overshooting as well and the wheel was the culprit.

#5 10 years ago

Hey ralphwiggum,

Yep, brand new rubber. The thing is I think it should return at least when the game is over.

Milton

#6 10 years ago

Just grabbed the schematics..... Are you comfortable testing transistors? If so... How does Q25 test out? Looking at the schems.... Q24 is the arm motor relay (which is running) and Q25 is the directional relay (which doesn't sound like it is running).....

#7 10 years ago

Hi ralphwiggum,

Yes I tested the tranny. It tests ok. tested q24 q25 and q26.
That was my first guess after the wire harness. (which I just took off again and ohmed out)
I will check the motor tomorrow and see if I'm getting voltage to it.

Miton

#8 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Hi ralphwiggum,
Yes I tested the tranny. It tests ok. tested q24 q25 and q26.
That was my first guess after the wire harness. (which I just took off again and ohmed out)
I will check the motor tomorrow and see if I'm getting voltage to it.
Miton

Cool... lets get this running, it deserves some sweet action

Any other coils not working?

#9 10 years ago

Nope- this is the last prob.
Jimmy from the PBR said "saved the best for last!"
I will post the resto pics when I get the copter goin'.

Milton

#10 10 years ago

Make sure you test both opto switches at the top and bottom of the copter path. Test them in the switch test. The switches can be flakey so be sure to test them in the switch test to make sure they register every time. Also just leave the machine sit in switch test for 5 minutes without activating any switches and see if the optos activate on their own. And test the up/down switches for the tee while you are in the switch test mode.

#11 10 years ago

Hi kguenther6,

I cannot figure out how to test them in the switch test. It is automatic
and does not stop on each switch but goes through all of them. I will go through this
again.

But when I put a card in the switch when the copter is in route it stops.
I think the problem is in the "directional relay" path. I don't think it is getting
any power to reverse direction. I will check power at the motor later when I get some time.

Thanks for the reply!

Milton

#12 10 years ago

I restored a R911 for my uncle so I'm going off memory. But if I remember correctly the switch test will show any closed switches. So if you take the balls out, move the copter to the middle and move the tee up a little it should not show any switches closed. Then you can block the opto switches with something to see if they register. Good luck and keep us posted on the progress.

#13 10 years ago
Quoted from kguenther6:

Then you can block the opto switches with something to see if they register

I will try the above and report. I have some errands to run (GRR!) and then should be able
to put some time in.

Thanks for the idea!

Milton

#14 10 years ago

Ok, I do not have power going to the helicopter when I activate the "directional relay".
Where is the solenoid 24 located? IF it is not the solenoid then transistor?

This leads me to believe the transistor Q25 is bad. It seems to test ok.

Milton

#15 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Ok, I do not have power going to the helicopter when I activate the "directional relay".
Where is the solenoid 24 located? IF it is not the solenoid then transistor?
This leads me to believe the transistor Q25 is bad. It seems to test ok.
Milton

Milton,

Do you have schematics available to you, they will help tremendously. If not, I can probably walk you through them late tonight when I am in front of them....In this case solenoid 24 IS the motor. If you aren't getting power to it, it is not going to be the motor.

You mentioned your previous motor was burned up. If you have bad circuitry on the driverboard, this could certainly lead to burning up a motor if the scenario played out just right.

#16 10 years ago
Quoted from ralphwiggum:

Do you have schematics available to you, they will help tremendously

I have the owners manual which has schems.
The previous motor was not burned up. Gearbox worn! Made a sound like a banshee!
I think I will order a transistor and replace.
Unless you have a better idea?

Milty

#17 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

I have the owners manual which has schems.
The previous motor was not burned up. Gearbox worn! Made a sound like a banshee!
I think I will order a transistor and replace.
Unless you have a better idea?
Milty

Ahhh, sorry, i misunderstood.... Good that you have the schems... I will post late tonight (someone else can chime in I am sure), but basically we want to verify that whole section as it relates to that transistor. While it is typically a transistor, on a lot of these system3s driverboards I have had to repair it was the transistor and the related components around it (resistors, etc.)....

#18 10 years ago

I ordered the trans.

#19 10 years ago

Just to verify: There are two motors on the gearbox. One forward-one reverse.
Correct?

I get power on one of the motors but not the other. I think the other is for reverse and
should get power on when drive circuit Q25 directional relay is energized?

Is my theory correct or should I step away from the pipe?

Milton

#20 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

should I step away from the pipe?

Perhaps.

#21 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Just to verify: There are two motors on the gearbox. One forward-one reverse.
Correct?
I get power on one of the motors but not the other. I think the other is for reverse and
should get power on when drive circuit Q25 directional relay is energized?
Is my theory correct or should I step away from the pipe?
Milton

That sounds about right...

#22 10 years ago
Quoted from ralphwiggum:

That sounds about right...

That I should step away from the pipe! LOL!

Milton

#23 10 years ago

I pulled the board and was going to put in new tranny but was able to see well enough
to test it. Transistor is good. When I engage the "directional solenoid" I can hear something
pull down in the cab but I do not get power to bottom copter motor.

Any ideas?

Milt

#24 10 years ago

Ok! Found the "directional relay" (Mounted under play field) Broken wire coming off relay!
Now the copter goes BOTH directions! The copter goes too far and knocks the ball away but
I'm on the right track!

Milton

#25 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Now the copter goes BOTH directions! The copter goes too far and knocks the ball away but
I'm on the right track!

Good stuff!
Do you have the 'burning building' in place? While doing some testing, I found that when I had the plastic off the machine the heli knocked the ball of the 'tee' every time. Not sure why, but as soon as I put the building back in place, it started to pick it up again.

#26 10 years ago

Hi Tim,

Yep, Burning building in place. I am done testing for tonight.

Milton

#27 10 years ago

OK- I'm close.
Could someone look at the helicopter wiring harness and give me the correct
wiring from the plug to the 4 terminals on the helicopter?

Mine has been replaced and I think it is incorrect. The plug has 2 rounded prongs and 2 square prongs. Looking AT the plug the top right corner is rounded. The bottom left corner is rounded.
I need the pinouts for this plug. (I.E. Top right is + on copter board)

Thank you for your time,

Milton

#28 10 years ago

No IT IS NOT the harness.
Lost my reverse again. No power getting to the reverse motor.
Power at solenoid. Solenoid is pulling in.

So now I lost reverse and the magnet.
I am close to giving up.

Milton

#29 10 years ago

I re-soldered everything. Cleaned everything and now it works like a champ!

https://www.facebook.com/bill.coppin/media_set?set=a.576039175752944.1073741824.100000406001459&type=3

Check out the link above for the Resto!

Milton

#30 10 years ago

Good job!
It looks like you have some PF wear in the same spots as mine. Are you going to touch up the PF as well, or just the cab?

#31 10 years ago

Hi Tim,

I have reproduced the car pf wear area. I will apply it later.
I also have some "custom" blades" that I have to apply.
They look like the outside "cityscape", with one side on fire.

The cab is coming along nicely. I will post more pics later.
I have some "e.l. wire" to put on and more.....

Milton

#32 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Hi Tim,
I have reproduced the car pf wear area. I will apply it later.
I also have some "custom" blades" that I have to apply.
They look like the outside "cityscape", with one side on fire.
The cab is coming along nicely. I will post more pics later.
I have some "e.l. wire" to put on and more.....
Milton

Nice work... I have been away from the internet for a bit and was going to follow up to see how you were progressing... glad the motor assembly worked out! R911 is one of my favorites! Any non fb pics? I got rid of fb a few years ago...

#33 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

I have reproduced the car pf wear area. I will apply it later.

I'd love to see how you're doing that. Is it a decal-type thing you've made, instead of painting it on?

#34 10 years ago
Quoted from ralphwiggum:

Any non fb pics? I got rid of fb a few years ago...

I will start a new thread here with pics!

Quoted from tim_sanderson:

I'd love to see how you're doing that. Is it a decal-type thing you've made, instead of painting it on?

I would like to take credit for it but Chad @ C&K Designs did it! Yes it is a decal. The rest of the pin is all free hand. You will see that I am not a bad artist and airbrusher when I post the "R911 Resto". He also did the custom blades you will see.
My ideas, his talent! IF I could do what he can do it would be "MODS GALORE!". Custom backglass, custom cabs, sky is the limit!

#35 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

I will start a new thread here with pics!

I would really like to see them too! If that is the same one I played before it left here, I would be very interested to see your progress.

#36 10 years ago

Hey o-din,

Check out this thread: http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/r911-resto-started

Yes, it is the same machine! Let me know what you think. Tell Evan to take a look too.

Milton

#37 10 years ago

At least the helicopter almost worked when I played it.

#38 10 years ago

The helicopter is now 100% functional!
I have one bad opto that I have a replacement for but have not installed.
It works 99% but once in awhile it does not see the interrupter.

Milton

#39 10 years ago
Quoted from Milton187:

Tell Evan to take a look too.

He may want it back!

#40 10 years ago

IF he comes and gets it!

Milton

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