yeah prob just better to drop the whole thing, do we need to hear more from him? he's been consistent in his deflection, similar to JPOP.

Just go away

Pinball News: Occupation?
Andrew: Pinball machine manufacturer.
Pinball News: What?
Andrew: I make high quality pinball machines that turns an experience into a viable and meaningful comprehension.
Pinball News: Oh, a *bullshit* artist!
Andrew: [grumbles]
Pinball News: Did you bullshit last week?
Andrew: No.
Pinball News: Did you *try* to bullshit last week?
Andrew: Yes!

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You should honestly just send him all the questions to meticulously write out, and then when he sends them back to you just delete it. The more time he spends writing responses is less time for him to be out in the world 'doing business' with people...

Brutal, at least you should converse over instant messenger when you follow up on his email responses back.

Bitch.

My understanding is that if you speak the truth, it can't be considered slander/libel. Maybe speaking the truth is where the problem lies...

totally agree, maybe still get his answers and then write a article on your thoughts of his responses so you still have the last say and call bullshit

he should stand responsible for the monies owed during his reign of the business and people take action against him and be de-registered in owning a business

Like I said earlier, UK law is the major problem.

Can't post links yet as I am a new account here, but in short, in the U.S. (and many other countries) the burden of proof of libel rests with the plaintiff, but in the UK, it is upon the defendant to prove the truth of statements. Guilty until proven innocent, in effect. This makes it very easy to sue someone for libel in the UK.

It's grotesque.

Now I know why we declared independence.

Martin would NEVER do that. They are buddies. They probably are closing a bar down right now.

Look, I'm going to cut right to the chase, did my "What is your favorite color," questions make the cut or not? I'm not surprised that he needed the questions in advance because we all know that he would have lied about his favorite color if put on the spot. The answer is Green by the way.

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I guess that says it all: he will be pointing at others, while he was the one in command, "managing" the whole thing. I know other managers that take responsibility for actions done by people working for them, even if they weren't involved in such actions. I guess Andrew isn't such a "manager."

He reads Pinside, especially the threads that involve him.

I'm guessing he saw the questions in this thread and panicked.

At least he's admitted what he thinks of everyone. *shrug*

Some things better, some things worse. My wife is American, but she moved here, not the other way around, is all I'll say

Indeed, but you need to be able to produce evidence in the courts if challenged. Now I dare say there is plenty of evidence against the scumbag so he has no chance taking anyone to the high court in the UK at least.

In the UK the defamation act 2013 is the statutory instrument that covers this situation:

Defamation - this is usually aimed at individuals and defamation is split into two legal bases that a person can sue for: slander and libel but the law is defamation. Slander is defamation of a person through a transient form of communication, generally speech. Libel is defamation of a person through a permanent form of communication, mostly the written word (such as pinside). However, defamation is not limited to linguistic forms; visual forms such as photographs, paintings, illustrations, status and bodily gestures can also be regarded as defamatory. Companies can sue if the defamation affects them too. In all cases though the remedy requires the pursuant to provide hard evidence that alleged defamation has harmed them.

There is a another problem though; given what has happened already, in my view a court would already throw out a case brought by the scumbag against any of the comments said here - because he has already taken too long to act; the court believes that if this is something that affects you in a bad way then you should bring proceedings as early as possible; and with the legal threat mentioned above I'd submit that he's probably already shot himself in the foot on that too and on his previous threats of legal action.

But his response to the interview is class Heighway bullshit, Allegedly; he is worried that what ever lies he manufactures in the interview he wouldn't be able to prove if an action was taken against him. Stating that in the way he has done is just unbelievable and gives any pursuant on what he does say, a very strong case indeed! what a muppet. Secondly, written word such as something published on the Internet typically is viewed as the most harmful form of defamation, so writing down his answers is even more crazy.

Regards,
Neil.

You can't get anywhere with people like Andrew... the only winning strategy is not to play the game (War Games, 1983).

Nice one Joshua.

Can we see that hydrofoil in action?

I'm gonna build MM continued, please send me 15k, starting to build when I have 1000 preorders...

Pfff, If you guys would stop sending 8k to someone who SAYS he gonna build a pin, nobody would be crying anymore. This is getting on my nerves... It seems easier to steal ur money then a kids candy.

Already !4! companies over the past years ripped you guys, and you keep sending cash.

Yes.... and will the crew have special uniforms?

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It's just a sketch on a napkin at this point, but it will be out in 6 months....or 2 weeks after that.

great observation and funny as heck.

Quick question about U.K. courts - if someone outside Wales (i.e. a foreigner) is sued for libel AND the case is ruled in favor of Andy (hypothetically), how does he collect?

He's too busy helping OJ find Nicole's killer.

Heh. I wouldn't worry. Whilst he has made the implied threat of legal action against you, and some of what you said may have been untrue, or was your speculation not presented as such ..... as Neil's post hints at, the chances of any judge finding in Andrew's favour in almost any defamation case is extremely unlikely. It's very difficult to prove injury to one's reputation if one has (provably) lied so much in public, and particularly on the medium where one is accusing the defendant of their transgressions (i.e. Pinside) ... and this against a backdrop of many parties claiming he committed fraud against them or stole from them. He's also been making idle (and baseless) legal threats against people for years now, some documented here, which as Neil points out would further undermine him.

On top of all that, defamation suits are generally heard in the jurisdiction where they took place. In this case, Pinside is based in the Netherlands. Laws here aren't as favourable to questionable slander or libel cases as in the UK (almost nowhere is).

Besides the months old posts blaming Kaneda / everyone / me (not by name), and threatening you, has he contacted you directly or more recently?

I think in this situation he would have to file charges in the US - I don’t agree (and neither do a number of cases I’ve been involved with) that the jurisdiction of this would automatically be in be Holland unless the pursuant was to take pinside to court.

Either way, I don't think it would be in the UK.

I wouldn't worry, the ones who threaten never do, its the silent ones you need to worry about.

And if he does, I will personally donate to that go fund

Less than ZERO chance Andrew files for any sort of defamation claim or any other claim.

1) It's true?

2) What are the damages? Lost hydrofoil sales?

3) It costs $$$ to get a worthless judgment. See above

Quite a while back he was going to go after Kman in NY, then the reality of what a NY lawyer costs set it in

Bottom line, people can hate Andrew for all the lies and how he treated people but what we have here is a simple business failure, happens all the time.

Makes for good drama here but time to move on imo.

You know, if pigs had wings they could fly.

I was thinking we should make this our, Pinside Class of 2018 photo.

Still time to vote, people: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread/page/426#post-4364220

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I'll give it some time and check back. - Don't forget to say, cheese.

How can we get news on the inslovency meeting today? Already late in the day in UK.

Yes, we've had some friendly back and forths and a healthy deep dive into his time atop HP, but no more threats. I was inquiring about libel cases and collections in Wales to point out that since 95 percent of the folks discussing HP and Andrew live out of country, there is little recourse for collecting a judgement that I can think of. That alone renders most of Andrew's threats worthless. Well that and a lack of damages suffered.

Up to 250 now. I mean down to 250....

I'll give another day or two. I'm thinking I'll most likely repost it in the main Alien thread.

I couldn't possibly agree more with this.

Yet his post has a bunch of thumbs ups? Maybe for the first sentence that you wrote above? That would make sense. But the fact that he is going to go forward with sending Heighway written questions that he can answer at his leisure, to word exactly how he wants, would really not be much different than the post he made here.

It really is nothing more than his attempt to wash his hands of the disaster that was Heighway Pinball, so that he can CONvince more people to invest in his next failed venture.

Andrew is accountable for launching an incomplete game (Alien), exhausting the preorder funds, all of his spending decisions and lying to buyers. However, he sold the company at the end of 2017. It has since been reported that HP was two weeks away from insolvency at that time. True, HP 1.5 started in a gigantic sinkhole but everything happening since then is on HP 1.5. (These things included - rotten communication, only honoring of some refund requests (most were cc chargebacks anyways), selling games that were adjusted poorly, inconsistent (non-existent) support, unresponsive to email and phone, hollow promises to customers and distributors and all-around bs). I genuinely ask, have you ever seen a company (any company, just name one for the love of God). that wanted to succeed and who operate in a more bone-headed, self-destructive manner? To someone reading about HP for the first time, it seems obvious that HP 1.5 didn't give itself a fair chance to succeed, before throwing in the white flag and moving all assets to HP 2.0.

I interpret the setting up of HP 2.0 (Pinball Brothers) entity, by HP 1.5 at the same time HP 1.5 was being formed, to be dubious at best. I understand that the entire reorganization plan was grossly undercaptalized, hence it was destined to go bust. IMO it was only a matter of time before the company transitioned from the HP 1.5 to HP 2.0. Anger at Andrew and HP 1.0 is high, but anger towards HP 1.5 should be higher than it is given their role.

Maybe it indicates there was dissent among Owners and that two paths were established for moving forward from HP 1.0. Somewhere along the line, the consensus called for abandoning Plan A - HP 1.5 and going with Plan B - HP 2.0 (abandon all preorders). Biggest unanswered question is when did this occur? When did the decision to abandon preorders take place? That question can't be answered by Andrew, Martin would need to interview someone from HP 2.0. But there is no need for that though, because I wouldn't believe anything they had to say.

No offense, but your theories here and in the other thread about the takeover, and what transpired thereafter, are similarly convoluted and non-nonsensical to some of Andrew's lies, blame games and announcements. Moreover, they'd suit his agenda or narrative.

You also say that you've been talking to him ... coincidence?

Whilst you seem to still hold him in contempt, I hope you realise that there's very little prospect of him talking to you unless he thinks he can use or influence you, if we're to go on established form, and to treat anything he tells you with suitable suspicion.

Oh my gosh. I have down votes turned off for my account for my own sanity, but that sure is something.

If anyone wants to make a poster or T-shirt with all the downvote and give the benefits to Dave Sanders, count me in!
(by the way: https://www.gofundme.com/dave-sanders-fund)

Have Bangerjay autograph them.

LTG : )

That link to the Gofund seems bad. Try this one: https://www.gofundme.com/dave-sanders-fund

Question: When you compare yourself to Spooky Pinball, why do you think you they did differently and are there any lessons learned?

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FYI: Bangerjay is a prankster. Don't take his vote too seriously.

I need this T-Shirt or bumper sticker!
Didnt someone say this is a great pinside class picture?