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Questions about early Bally SS displays - Plasma vs. LED

By Pecos

5 years ago


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#6 5 years ago
Quoted from Pecos:

I like the Pinitech displays. Can I buy one, or two displays, not an entire set, and replace the bad displays and leave the plasma displays in place?

I can sell single displays for the Pinitech UNO / TRADITIONAL models. Contact me via PM/email if interested.

Quoted from Pecos:

If I remove the plasma displays and put them in a box, will they last longer than displays left in a pin running 12 hours a day?

Generally plasma displays wear out from use or over-voltage. In the box, they should last a while!

Quoted from Pecos:

I read somewhere about kits that allow you to use the original PCB board and electronics and add an LED display in place of the plasma display. Can someone please give me a link to these? I would like to save some money and consider these if this option is a lot cheaper than the DIY Pinitech display kits.
Edit: Found it:
https://www.pinitech.com/products/ballystern_display_retrofit.php
And the Pinside thread:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/interest-check-diy-bally-led-displays-using-old-boards
But the Pinitech website shows these kits as ‘Get added to the waitlist.’
This sounds like the best option for me. I like the idea of reusing the original boards and looking forward to the challenge of building them.

RETROFIT Kits are something I'm only doing on-demand at this point & I'm only selling those as a set (converts 5x plasma displays).

I'd highly recommend the Pinitech UNO DIY Kits in ORANGE however. It's not much more $$ per display & you gain many features over the RETROFIT kits.. adjustable brightness, light block foam, custom digits that look awesome. Incredible value for what the displays achieve.

Pinitech UNO:
https://www.pinitech.com/products/ballystern_display_uno.php

Let me know if you have any additional questions!

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#9 5 years ago
Quoted from Pecos:

This will sound crazy to some people, but I want to keep the machine as original as possible and that means reusing the display PCBs. So, the retrofit kits are perfect for my needs. Wayne, I would like to try the new plasma-looking displays in the retrofit kits. This would be considered 'experimental' but I like testing beta products and experimenting. Would this be a project that you would be willing to work with me on to beta test? I can't swing five at this time, but could build and test two. I would be glad to take videos/pictures of the final product, and if they turn out as well as you say they look, I will be retrofitting most of my Bally SS pins on route later this year.

Sorry, I won't be offering custom digits with the RETROFIT kits. They were spec'd a certain way with the design and materials & I have no plans to revisit the design or "update" them with features of the new displays I'm offering. The costs would go up and as-such the price would have go to up, putting them even closer to the full kit pricing.. when the full kits offer a number of additional benefits.

If you're trying to get out the cheapest way possible, it seems you'll have to find some used plasma displays for replacements or possibly buy a full LED display kit for one machine, and then have the extra plasmas to put in other machines. For LED sets, there are a ton of options these days, but if you're looking for something that will look "stock" when installed in a line-up, or that has the ability to work in the same game with plasmas and blend well, then the new custom digits I've done on the Pinitech UNO / TRADITIONAL displays would be the ticket. You don't have to upgrade EVERY game.. you just upgrade one or two, so you can gain the plasma displays that are freed up for your other games.

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#10 5 years ago

Also wanted to mention, for you or anyone else..

Through 2019 I'm offering a low-hassle way to try out a single Pinitech UNO / TRADITIONAL display in orange color (assembled only), so people can see how it blends with the original plasma displays. If you buy a single orange display and for whatever reason don't like it, you can return it, no questions asked, for a refund minus any shipping costs within 14 days of receiving the order. Plus, I invite feedback either way on the Pinside thread below.

More Info:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-pinitech-led-displays-for-classic-bally-stern-plasma-contender#post-4791457

A single display ships fairly cheap First Class Mail. Total cost (both ways) is about $8 total shipping if you do want to return it. That said, I don't really expect to have many people not be impressed by what they see in-person, which is why I'm making this offer

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4 months later
#12 4 years ago
Quoted from Pecos:

I have finally finished my first Bally display Retrofit Kit disassembly and reassembly. Everything went pretty much according to plan, the instructions are excellent, but I did have a few issues. The worst of the issues occurred when I put the component leads through the PCB. Six pads were lifted and two were missing, but this was easily resolved. I will have to be more careful in the future putting the components on the board.

As you've found, the original plasma display single sided boards don't put up with a lot of heat on the pads. Seems some pads would lift no matter how careful you were, just from age. When I created the RETROFIT kits I expected half the people to adopt the "parallel resistor" method, which IMO cuts down time significantly and also limits the chance of lifting pads because you're only really fully replacing the driver transistors. Not many people adopted that method though.

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As always, it a great feeling of accomplishment when I finish a DIY kit. The displays look great!
Thanks acebathound for making this kit available to me!

You're welcome!

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NVRAM, Bally/Stern LED Displays & Mods for pinball machines

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