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Question for Night Moves owners: Do your balls fly?


By chippe01

2 years ago



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#1 2 years ago

I'm getting frustrated because when playing my Night Moves machine, the balls seem to fly all over the place, especially when I'm trying for the left side ball lock. When the ball hits one of the post on either side of the lane the ball raises up and hits the glass, usually jumping on top of the RIO target bank and landing in the upper rollover section.

It also happens when the balls are deflected from the bumpers and the slingshots, and occasionally coming off the flippers.

I've installed a new rubber kit on this machine, and the rubbers are in the proper positions on the posts and flippers. Of course I am using standard pinballs. I'm worried I'm going to crack the glass.

Does this happen on any one else's machine?

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#2 2 years ago

I think it depends who's playing....

Rick's are for sure

Sorry could not resist.
faz

#3 2 years ago

Thanks for the laugh!

#4 2 years ago

This is really bothering me. I posted a short video of this on YouTube:

#5 2 years ago

I've never had that happen on mine. I don't really get any air balls on it tbh.

#6 2 years ago

It happens quite often on mine, and I don't understand why. It usually happens on the 3 posts up top, but sometimes the ball is airborne when popping off the bumpers as well, or from the left flipper.

#7 2 years ago

I've never played this game. The video is SUPER helpful; can you include a high res photo of the spot that it launches from?

Does this happen at that same place or other places too?

faz

#8 2 years ago
Quoted from chippe01:

It happens quite often on mine, and I don't understand why. It usually happens on the 3 posts up top, but sometimes the ball is airborne when popping off the bumpers as well, or from the left flipper.

The cause is an indent in the outline of the score/alpha-numeric display, which in itself is one giant insert.
Ball goes over the edges slowly..OK...ball zips off a pop, then hits any raised section ..sends the ball airborne.

Happens with mine sometimes, not too much.
Similar to what happens to many Black Hole owners.

Take a small bubble level, and check all along the perimeter of where the playfield ends and the display begins.
This can be corrected.

#9 2 years ago

I was thinking the rubber looked not correct. I can't tell, but I think you have a 2.5" band over a post that supposed to have a donut. Like I said, it's really hard to see in the video.
faz

#10 2 years ago

Don't have that problem on my NM.

#11 2 years ago
Quoted from pinball_faz:

I was thinking the rubber looked not correct. I can't tell, but I think you have a 2.5" band over a post that supposed to have a donut. Like I said, it's really hard to see in the video.
faz

I replaced the rubbers based on the chart that came with the kit. There are donuts on the mini posts, not bands.

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#12 2 years ago

The sequence 1,2,3 of how the ball traveled in the video ...IMG_2145-2.jpg

#13 2 years ago

Doesn't happen on mine either. My balls do occasionally get some slight air time when they fly off a pop bumper, but nothing to write home about.

I think ejg is right: the positioning of the large display insert probably sends the ball flying and needs to be adjusted.

Good luck!

#14 2 years ago

I think the big "air" is achieved when the ball is launched off the second post such that the ball strikes the donut above the mid point. Feels to me that it's already airborne before it hits.

I'm going to throw this hypothesis out there.
It's climbing up the clear post, hitting the rubber and developing a spin as it rebounds off the rubber on it's way to the second post (steel w/donut). So, it's really starting to get air on the first strike.

The donut is nice and fat but the band on the clear post is slightly thinner (or it's too small and stretched super tight). It occurs to me that an old-school thicker band would catch the ball on the climb and stop the back spin. If you don't have any thicker ones, try a second band just below the first one to see if you can repeat the scenario.

Thoughts?
faz

#15 2 years ago

The second band seem like a good idea. But it also happens when hitting the donuts directly, like when I'm shooting for the hole.

#16 2 years ago

Hmm... well, another thing both shots have in common is that they both pass over that big plastic insert.

Is that nice/flat? Or do you have a ramp? I can't tell in the pics. Check all the inserts in the path for smooth transitions.

Also, did you check the flipper coils? Original? If someone replaced them with stronger ones... could be a cause.

faz

#17 2 years ago

Is the big scoreboard insert adjustable? Can it be raised and lowered with screws or something to make it level with the play field? Or was it glued in?

#18 2 years ago

I thought about the flipper coils as well. I'll check that tonight. I have examined the score window and it seems to be level with the playfield. I would imagine it is glued in, but will look at that as well.

Thanks for the suggestions.

One thing i did notice is that the left flipper bat is angled slightly upward. While the right has an even gap from front to back, the gap on the left flipper is a tad higher at the narrow end. Maybe that has an effect as the ball occasionally becomes airborne when hitting off of that flipper.

#19 2 years ago
Quoted from chippe01:

the left flipper bat is angled slightly upward

Are you talking about the swing of the bat or the bat is not perpendicular to the playfield. The angle of the bat swing should not matter too much, but if the bat itself is cocked... that would be bad.

Check to make sure the linkage is plumb to the PF and everything is super tight.
faz

#20 2 years ago

The bat is not perpendicular to the play field. The gap between the bottom of the flipper and the play field is a wee bit wider at the narrow end as opposed to the wider end.

#21 2 years ago

I don't know the tolerances required to keep the ball on the PF but may be a factor.
Again, check the linkage to make sure it's all tight. Is the bat in good shape? The rubber?

What's the story on the PF window? Nice and flat?

#22 2 years ago

Everything else is fine with he flippers, correct coils, linkage tight. The rubbers are new. The score window is even with the PF. It is attached via screws underneath the PF, so no chance to adjust it.

I did manually roll the ball against the posts, from the upper part of the playfield, above the score window, and it does elevate after hitting the posts if I roll it hard enough. Maybe sleeves will help as opposed to donuts.

#23 2 years ago

Good idea on the sleeves! Not original, but it will save your plastics and glass.

If it works, check out all the cool colors Cliffy has.

Also, did you check the the two posts themselves? Are the square to the PF. The one with the clear post may be adjustable... maybe set it back a bit.
faz

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