Quoted from Blackbeard:
My old ads (the ones I placed before the new changes) have now been "checkmarked" that I will pay the fees for the certain tier games I listed FS.
Shouldn't these be grandfathered in? Why did pinside check them as "I will pay the fee" etc.?! I never consented to that originally!
Quoted from Blackbeard:
It's not the fee really, it's the fact that pinside went ahead and checked off the box that says I'll pay when I never consented to that. My ad is PRE fee charging changes. Should be grandfathered in IMO.
You're absolutely right, these should be grandfathered in. I consider this a bug. When editing an "old" ad, the "I agree" part should not appear. Old being ads placed before November 4th.
I'm sorry about this confusing issue!
We don't really have "for trades" anymore (or bidding, or make an offer etc) because we decided that all ads should carry a price. We have seen listing price being enforced on other classifieds sites/forums and really think that works well. Some may disagree to this, but we did weigh al the pros and cons and believe a mandatory listing price is the best way to go.
You can still mark the "I prefer a trade" button to have your ad reflect that. And then you can put the list of trade candidates in your ad description.
Quoted from DefaultGen:
Games are organized into magical tiers. But basically CBW is tier 1, TZ is tier 5. Other stuff falls in between somehow.
There isn't much magic about them other than the list not being published right now. Note to self: We should definitely list each game's tier on their respective archive page.
So what we did is take last two years of successful (sold) ads with a verified price and then take the average sales price. This price falls within a tier. When you place your ad, the tier at the time of placing is stored and when you successfully sell your game, the ending screen will ask you for a contribution based on that tier.
We use essentially the same routine to determine average price as we already do on each game's archive page. The only difference is that our price is not real time but is determined once per year, based on the last two years of data. The last time this routine was run (the moment in time all prices are based on) is September 24th.
Quoted from vilant:
What if a machine is traded instead of sold? Do you still have to pay? I was actually toying with the idea of trading my very nice CFTBL for your WH2O, if you were even interested.
Thats up to you! You could consider it a "not sold" and note that it was a trade. Or you could consider it a sale, thank Pinside, and pay the fee. I'm not gonna be upset if you choose option 1. Ultimately the payment fee is still a voluntary choice. The difference being that you can no longer get the buyer feedback part (and the market statistic count +1) without paying the sales fee for your ad.
Quoted from fosaisu:
It will be interesting to see how the "Regional For Sale" threads are handled. They're arguably using somewhat less of the Pinside infrastructure since they're not listed in the market and usually don't have the same level of pictures/description/detail. I hope those just continue on their merry way, as it would be a shame to formalize them and lose that nice method of connecting with local pinheads (and avoiding shipping).
We are considering offering a shortcut code to embed your ad listing in any post. That way you could include your ad in a regional for sale thread by simply inserting that little code snippet in your post.
We could also enforce linking to an ad in those threads. Then it would still maintain the method of connecting and looking for games locally and at the same time give Pinside it's due if we helped you sell a game.
But other than that, I haven't given the regional threads much thought, to be honest. We already have a rule in place since late last year, I believe, that makes it mandatory to place all ads through the market place. Are we gonna police every casual for sale mention all over Pinside. I think it's safe to say that's not something we should want. We're keeping an eye on this to make sure it doesn't get out of hand, but at this point in time I have no intention to close/disallow those local threads.
Quoted from fosaisu:
It will also be interesting to see what happens with parts and mods. It appears Robin has decided not to add fees for those and I think that's very much the right decision!
That was indeed a deliberate decision. For now, we focus on a fee for game sales. Of course it would be great if people who make money with selling parts and mods should also contribute, but we do not want to put a payment burden on all mods because frankly lots of mods are nearly non-profit.
What we have in mind is some cool plans to offer people the option to have their own little store on Pinside. But we still need to probe around and see if vendors would be interested in something like that.
Quoted from jcar302:
If you are going to charge fees, I kinda think it should be plastered all over the top of any page where you list something for sale.
Good point, we will look over the communication aspect of the fees to make sure people understand that a fee payment is expected after successfully selling a game through Pinside market.
Quoted from Jazman:
Lastly, the way it was before was a good way of doing it. When your ad was marked sold, there was a suggestion to make a donation if Pinside helped you sell your game. But, I'm involved in this hobby in another way where we facilitate the sale of many, many games yet don't collect any commission. Not only that, at the Midwest Gaming Classic we will give you benefits for bringing your games whether they are there for sale or not.
While I'm not opposed in principal to what Pinside is doing on this front, it does seem there are issues in how this change was presented and rolled out. Should you donate to Pinside if you use it regularly? Definitely. Do I think you should you be forced to do so? No. There are other sites who do that and I don't think the result is positive.
I totally get that sentiment. And it wasn't an easy decision for me to make either. We tried what you are suggesting (asking for a voluntary donation) since February and practically nobody bothered with it (maybe only 1 of every 1000 people donated). So now that the fee is mandatory (well, kind of) we hope for an extra revenue stream which will help us further develop and maintain the Marketplace and Pinside as a whole. Yes, it's more aggressive, yet I do fully stand behind the concept of charging a small fee if you sold your game through Pinside, as I have explained in my update announcement last week.
No there isn't. Wanted ads are always free. The problem is that this is a bug in the placement page which makes it appear so. And that makes things really unclear. You only pay a fee if you successfully sell a game through Pinside.