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Coin door decals -Bally EM/Early SS - now with analysis of the repros

By xsvtoys

71 days ago


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    #1 71 days ago

    When I got my first 2 pinball machines, both EMs - Bally Bon Voyage and Bally Monte Carlo - they did not have any decal inside the diamond on the coin door. It was just empty. I then got Strikes and Spares which is early SS and it does have the typical Bally decal.

    As I am working on them and fixing them up, I thought maybe I should get some of the decals and put them on there. But then, when I started looking at a bunch of photos of other machines of that era I noticed that the vast majority are without decals, just plain coin doors. And, the picture on the flyers also does not show the decal. That includes Strikes and Spares as one example shown here. I noticed that for a later SS Fathom the flyer does show the decal on the door.

    Was there a specific era where the decals came in and then were put into common use? Or is it one of those situations where it was kind of randomly done by the factory? Or maybe, an option to be ordered?

    So my basic question is, should the decal be put on the coin door for the older machines, or left off if you want to aim for keeping originality?

    Maybe I am overthinking this, but this is what I do, it is a mental sickness.

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    #2 71 days ago

    I personally uncrated over a dozen brand new Evel Kneivel machines back in the day. They all had the coin door decal installed already when I unboxed them. Some machines came with two chute doors while others had three chutes. Games that came with a two chute door had the Bally logo decal. Games that came with a three chute door had an SBA dollar decal installed instead of the Bally logo one.

    We had many early solid state Ballys on our route. I don't remember any NOT having the decals on the doors when unboxing them.

    #3 71 days ago

    My first Bally/Midway Fireball Classic got a decal quick.
    Seems like limited research then indicated no decal.
    It just looks better, go for it and forget OEM restrictions.

    #4 70 days ago

    OK great, I'll put them on! Except.... nothing can be easy in pinball.

    I was just reading a thread here about the decals, which now I can't find again with the Pinside search function (which seems to be somewhat variable in the way it returns search results). Someone (I think maybe it was Forceflow?) was angry about the decals that you currently can buy and would never use them, because they aren't right compared to the original. Something about the thickness of the lines, and the direction that the red triangles point to on the bottom.

    Well, then I looked into this to see if I could figure out what he was talking about, and yes I did see it and now I can't unsee it.

    Here is the decal from the Marco online store:
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    Here is one from a random Ebay seller:
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    Here is one that apparently was sold by pinballrescue, which is now out of business. This image is really hard to find, I can only find one instance of it in the Google search results where it shows up as a link the the pinballrescue site, which when you click on it takes you nowhere because their web site is gone.
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    In this last one, the red and yellow lines are all the same thickness instead of the red line being fatter like the repros. Also there are 5 red triangles pointing down instead of 4, with the one at 6 o'clock pointing straight down. In addition, the inner circle on the old one is smaller and along with that the distance from there to the yellow circle is larger, and this results in a more pleasing-looking shape for the red triangles versus the squat look of the repros.

    It seems like a small thing, but hey not in the pinball world LOL where things have to be perfect. Details matter! I suppose this has something to do with the copyright control of the image, or something. The bottom line is, the old design does look better!

    #5 70 days ago

    The pinball rescue one is the closest to oem

    #6 70 days ago

    Have bought from every supplier, I use Big Daddy Enterprises decals on all my restored doors.

    #7 70 days ago
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    #8 70 days ago

    The currently available repro Bally logo decals are a joke. The red triangle pattern is supposed to mimic the Bally pop bumper cap pattern, but somehow every version, instead of having the bottommost triangle at 6 o'clock, has them at 5:30 and 6:30. On the Marco one it even looks like the word "Bally" was hand-drawn, the letters are uneven and the Y is fatter than the rest. Sloppy graphics work, that.

    A shame Pinball Rescue closed up shop, from the pics above it looks like their artwork was dead-on.

    I was initially pretty happy with the Susan B Anthony decal I bought a few years ago (from Marco, I believe) for my Space Invaders, until I recently picked up a Xenon with its original Susan B still on the door, both decal and doorskin in nice condition. Susan's picture and the text and stars are quite different on the repro. I was just checking out the 300 DPI Flyers repository earlier today, but unfortunately none of the high-res scans show the decals large enough to make out the details clearly. If I could source somewhere to print transparent inks on a chrome mylar decal, I'd redo the artwork myself to match the originals exactly and get 'em done.

    #9 70 days ago

    I was sitting here goofing around on the computer after work and I drew the whole thing as new vector art, EXCEPT the logo. All the other shapes were easy. But getting the logo right the way its set up with the blue and the black is testing me. I've got other things to do so I'm letting it sit as it is for now, maybe I'll come back and try again. Here's what it looks like so far.

    Just noticed the top and bottom tops of the diamonds peaking out from behind the circles, will remove those next time I look at. Also need to fix the inner white diamond inside the yellow. (OK that was crap, fixed those little issues so this looks a bit better).

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    #10 70 days ago

    This thread made me look at the 10 Bally coin door cores I have plus the 14 old skins I have. Of the ones with a OE decal, everyone that was still present had the arrow at the 6:00 and 12:00 position. So I agree the available versions are off. Can they be better? Sure. I like being exact in my restorations. However after selling multiple restored coin doors and many games with new decals, no one ever noticed the arrows were 10 degrees off. Are we being too anal over a sticker?

    #11 70 days ago

    Haha. Yes you guys are. What if we could only get them from Classic Arcades? Baly, Baley. Bailie?

    #12 69 days ago
    Quoted from phil-lee:

    My first Bally/Midway Fireball Classic got a decal quick.
    Seems like limited research then indicated no decal.
    It just looks better, go for it and forget OEM restrictions.

    Mine has a Bally/Midway decal on it, I'll post a picture.

    Fireball Classic

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    #13 69 days ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Mine has a Bally/Midway decal on it, I'll post a picture.
    Fireball Classic
    [quoted image]

    Darn, I like that one..

    #14 69 days ago
    Quoted from tomdrum:

    Are we being too anal over a sticker?

    Well, yeah, of course. This is what we do!

    OK I was off on another project today, and I saw this. This will drive you even crazier. Here is the logo from the covers of Bally parts catalogs, 1979-1981 era. This one is even different as far as the layout of the red triangles. You can also see the laziness of the graphic designer in the letter B, the empty space inside the big looping part was just left solid white, it should be transparent and showing the red triangles behind it.

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    #15 69 days ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Someone (I think maybe it was Forceflow?) was angry about the decals that you currently can buy and would never use them, because they aren't right compared to the original.

    It wasn't me. The only classic era bally game I've owned is baby pacman, which has a completely different coin door & decal.

    But, I would be a little annoyed at significant inaccuracies. I do try to choose my decals carefully to try to get the most accurate version available.

    #16 69 days ago

    This is my latest vector drawing, it looks pretty close. I'm working on coin doors these days so when I'm done I might try printing a few of these and see how they work. (Edit) Updated image shown, improvements made based on the line drawing which can be found on the exploded parts diagram for the front doot in the 1981 Bally parts catalog.

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    #17 51 days ago

    I just purchased these Bally decals from CHM Pinball France.
    They look like the original logo.

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    #18 51 days ago

    Dupe

    #19 51 days ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    That looks pretty good. How much was shipping from France?

    #20 51 days ago

    Dupe

    #21 51 days ago

    Let’s just say shipping was more than the cost of one decal.
    I purchase the last 4 they had in stock to somewhat feel like I got my “shipping worth”.

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