Will this be at expo? Seems critical to sales if they do think they have a winner?

Fast play, great music = success.
Oh yeah, need to play first to confirm!

The version in the trailer is definitely more high energy, maybe the thought is it is more suitable to pinball? Dunno, but definitely not the version most people would be expecting.

In the Super Awesome Pinball Show podcast they did with the guys from Pinball Brothers, pretty sure I remember the bros were making the case that Queen's live versions are very close to studio versions so it shouldn't be an issue.

This version is not close at all to the studio version...

Couldn't agree more. Woeful if the PB believe this will attract buyers. Hopefully it's not an excuse to cover the fact that higher licensing fees were applicable if they wanted better recordings AND/OR they simply know it will sell regardless.

For a bunch of hardcore queen fans I’m surprised you aren’t familiar with that version. It opened hundreds of concerts, every one from between about 1977-1982. Sadly not the The "magic bus" [hilarious sic] tour.

Most queen fans should know We Will Rock You (fast). It opens the Live Killers albums. It’s in almost all of their live concert videos. There's dozens of versions of it on youtube. They even played it a few weeks ago to open their set at the Taylor Hawkins tribute. This isn’t some never-heard alternative take that nobody has ever heard before.

They opened their show with the fast version, and closed it with the “normal” version, for 5 or 6 years.

Anyway I’d relax. You have much bigger things to worry about with this game than We Will Rock You. I expect you’ll hear the version you’ve heard 17 billion times in your life once more when you play the game.

Interesting, didn't know that. Neither will 90% of the people who will walk up and play. They will go "wtf was that?". I like the studio version more than the fast version, hopefully they have both.

I wasn't old enough to go to live concerts in late 70s and early 80s.

The game looks great! If this also had studio versions of the songs, it might just tip me over the edge into ordering one.

Fortunately you are old enough now to watch old youtube videos:

Houston 1977:

What an entrance! Wonder if the game will start this way.

And here they are playing it three weeks ago. The 80,000 in attendance don't seem too upset to be hearing this version:

I like it so far ! Who’s the US distributor ?

My point was and is, people in general are way more familiar with the studio version and aren't going to get what is going on with the live version. No one is saying the live version is not being done by Queen, so post as many videos as you want showing them playing it. Most people aren't familiar with the version and many are going to be disappointed if they don't get to hear the studio version.

It isn't making me decide against owning the pin, obviously there is a lot more that needs to be revealed, but it is something I am concerned about.

Nitro in Pacific Northwest, Cointaker elsewhere I believe

I think it's from the Killers album.

Agreed.

Did Stern use tracks that differ from the well known original songs for Iron Maiden or AC/DC? No, they used what is well known and recognised. The PB stated they are building this game to reflect the Wembley Concert, so hopefully the rest of the songs are the well known versions that most people will recognise and identify with.

Freddie wearing a Superman T shirt
PBs next pin

1985 Live Aid would have been cool

JJP nailed the GnR synch up with Studio + Live vids
More difficult to do but the way to go perhaps

Great theme, it looks nice and I like it has live concert versions instead of the album versions.
If it shoots well and has nice rules, I think it'll be a great game!

Pretty sure the distro rights to the Queen music is all over the place. I feel like early on, in some interview, PB said that the set of 'rules' they had to go by, were pretty strict. Maybe it all comes down to teh live recordings being cheaper/easier to obtain?

Except Bond will actually work without freezing every 10 mins. Check out the Alien thread and what a disaster PB games are. The machines randomly freeze up, the driver boards catch on fire. They are just general awful quality.

Good luck on this!

The live tracks are better. More energy - plus we've all heard the studio tracks billions of times.

Absolutely. I remade Stern's AC/DC and added all live tracks, so much better.

Variety is the spice of life...I'm not sure why we "need" the studio versions here but everybody has their personal preference.

KISS pinball didn't even use the "original studio" tracks - The songs were recorded decades later by old men; the 2010ish re-recordings that KISS made so they could control their own publishing.

Two sixty-year olds and a couple of scabs who were nowhere near KISS when the originals were in the studio back in the 70s using completely different recording technology from the originals Kiss fans know and love...again, completely different recordings. People didn't seem to notice or mind. (I could tell they were fakes though!)

They are full of shit. I own an Alien and the game will not stay on for more than a few hours without locking up. It isn't a hardware issue it's a software issue that the company has failed to correct.

Spend a few minutes on the Alien thread and you will see there isn't a single reliable machine suitable for location use without constant rebooting and maintenance.

My game as well as multiple other people's games in the Alien thread have had the drive boards catch on fire and the company had to send me three of them before one worked.

I guess you can call the support I was provided by having to basically replace every coil and every board in my game to get the driver board to finally work only to face a machine breaking software glitch to be good?

You can discount the vocal people as much as you want and I agree with you that there are some people overly vocal about minor issues but this is not that case.

At the end of the day I have an Alien machine I purchased for a route location sitting in my basement due to faulty software that is yet to be corrected. I am maintaining faith that the company will eventually fix the glitch but I'm slowly losing that faith.

Thanks for the honest assessment. This is what many of us feared/predicted when Heighway rose from the ashes as PB. Remember, Heighway games weren't exactly built up to standard either.

I've been skeptical about an Italian-built pinball machine from a brand new pinball manufacturer. They'll either sink or swim depending on how quickly they can fix this stuff. I certainly would have zero desire to be an early-adopter regardless of "dream theme."

The only way I would ever put another pinball machine in a public place is if I own the business. It would be there for the sole purpose of drawing customers in to spend money on profitable items such as food/drinks etc.

Anyone that would put a $9,000+ machine in someone else’s bar for people to destroy, hoping to make money off it will be lucky to break even in the long run. $1/game isn’t enough even if 0% goes to the location. Nobody in their right mind will pay more than $1/game for pinball.

As a previous owner of a Heighway Alien the main issues I had were the power supply unit which I replaced and cooling. For cooling I added some small fans in it to help bring in cooler air. After those issues were corrected the game was solid. My buddy who now has the game has 0 issues.

My PB Alien LV has been rock solid its been played in tournaments, left on for hours, and has about 300 plays on it with 0 issues. I have a friend with one that he has had 0 issues. I do realize I might be the 1 percent. I am also a big Stern Fan boy but good luck if you have a node board go out. I know several locals myself included that have had to replace the main CPU. My EHOH came unable to play and took Stern 4 weeks to get me the needed parts to play it.

Yes its frustrating for sure to have a NIB or even a used pin inoperable.

10 mins in on a game tonight and this happens. Unplayable.

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So you’ve got a 8000$ boat anchor, real nice.

The dude who I bought PB Alien from had 0 issues and I only had some minor corrections to make. I consider my self lucky as some people drew short straws.

I will say this I have alien sitting right next to the GOAT godzilla premium and Alien feels like a more solid well built machine. IMO.

In time Pinball Brothers will shine once they build consistently and ship faster.

As im not a big Queen fan I would have been pumped for a highlander movie themed pin with a Queen sountrack. Sean Connery was also a big part of the original movie and plenty of action. Quickening light shows could have been off the charts.

Maybe Elwin can do a SSSLE highlander version and pinball brothers can make only 10 machines at 80,000 each. Oh wait, wrong company.

Good luck PB this hobby needs competition.

Sorry but the video looks like it came out of Spooky's basement, just like their games. When are these companies gonna wake up? Spend money to make money....rediculous

Yes. Yes, exactly- agree. well said and yes. Wait what? Nope there’s no wait what. So much great pinball out there to be experiencing…we are lucky to have options.

Why are we attacking Spooky? Can we try to stay on topic- this is obviously a JJP-Stern collaboration pin so let’s attack that.

Brand new Queen song.

Freddy vocals.

Maybe we'll see the game soon, after all....

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PB need to capitalise on the current Queen promotion.

Face it Alone was released today.

Never been heard before and it's a really moving song as Freddie knew he was close to the end.

Nice to hear Freddie's voice but this song is horrible.

Apparently a Miracle outtake...and they've promised there's several more!

Ha and I thought you'd be unhappy with my "snarkiness."

Queen have been barrel-scraping for 30 years now, and there simply wasn't much "unheard" Queen stuff to begin with. They would do an album, and put out the "not good enough for the album" stuff as B-Sides, and that was that. They put together an entire posthumous album in the 90s, and it really had only 2 or 3 "new" tracks - the rest of the stuff was Queen solo stuff gussied up to sound more Queenish.

If that's the best they could do 25 years ago, you know whatever "gems" they stumble upon at this point in time to tack onto their endless parade of reissues and box sets are going to be...stuff like this.

they just gotta make it a few more years till deepfake audio can capture Freddy's essence...

what is dead may truly never die

Agreed.

At some point a bands creativity is spent and there is nothing left. That period of time varies of course depending on the band in question and the talent in the band.

Highlander has one of the most awesome sound tracks, mostly downhill from there for Queen.

True, but cruel. It's not Adam's fault Freddie died.

Plus Brian and Roger are thrilled Adam joined them, and they are still filling massive stadiums when on tour.

Freddie, although brilliant, showed when he left the band to pursue a solo career, that he 'alone' was not Queen. Queen was the unique mixture of four brilliant dudes playing together. Brian and Roger propelled Freddie's star to shine brighter than if Freddie ventured out alone. In recently years Brian and Roger have put fuel on Adam's star, who reminds everyone he knows he is not Freddie, and is not trying to be Freddie, but humbly helps keep Freddie's memory alive.

Well done Brian and Roger. Thanks Adam. We miss you Freddie.

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We saw Queen+Adam live - they were essentially doing a Freddie tribute (which they reminded you of repeatedly), and it was a _good_ Freddie tribute. An enjoyable evening.