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(Topic ID: 52015)

Quality over Quantity?


By AnthonyM88

7 years ago



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#1 7 years ago

Do you guys think it is better to have more pins in your collection that may not be grade A titles, or would you rather have just a few great quality gems? I am talking in a small collection, something like 6 pins or less. (in a big collection, you would be more likely to trade a few machines off for a grade A machine)

I am just starting off my collection, and have an F14 and a JP. I would consider the JP in the 'B' category of pins, and F14 maybe a bit lower. I have been looking into the likes of metallica, AC/DC, Tron, STTNG and LOTR for my next machine, but those are all out of my price range, so I might have to sell one or both of my current machines to get one of these. I know this is a very small sized collection, but I like having variety (even if it is only two games). I like switching back and forth between games when I get bored of one, and I just love seeing two machines in my basement

However, I would LOVE to own one of the aforementioned games, more than either one of my pins alone, but together, it makes it tough to trade them up.

What are your guys opinions on this? Not necessarily on my exact situation, but just in general.

#2 7 years ago

Depends on space and finances. Since most people have little space or money, quality (which is subjective, one man's A list is another man's C list) is the preferable option.

#3 7 years ago

As my collection shows, I think there is more fun to be had with a dozen B and C titles, over two or three A titles....

#4 7 years ago

I wouldn't want all A titles because most A titles are not really that good of games. Many B and C and even H titles are way better than most A titles. Play the shit out of every game you can, and everything. EM, SS and DMD. Then start drawing up your top 20 favorite games of all time. Start filling your room with those. And don't be close minded. Keep your mind open to Gottlieb, DE, Sega, zaccaria and others. You'll have the collection YOU enjoy, and who gives a shit what anyone else thinks if it's elite or not.

#5 7 years ago

In your situation....which is not too far off from mine, I would go for quality C/B titles vs having one or two A-Listers.

Most of my machines are in the "Bang for your Buck" category. I did sell a nice JD (+ Cash) in order to get into a STTNG......which I personally consider to be an A-Lister and is my personal favorite.

I would not sell (for example) my HS2, WCS, and JM in order to get into a AC/DC premium. While I think AC/DC is a great machine it's not worth three B-listers in my opinion.

Many, many, many of the C/B titles play better or just as good as many of the A-Listers.

#6 7 years ago

I agree totally that room logistics and fiscal constraints can be dominant factors with regard to the size and type of pinball collection.And I also agree that most B and C title games,however they may be subjectively rated, are usually much less costly to buy, and usually provide much more positive gameplay experience .

#7 7 years ago

Quantity is better when you are just starting out. It's better to have 2-3 games than one of the same value. There isn't one game that would not get boring on it's own.

Most people start out with lower value games and work their way towards what they want. F14 and JP are very good machines.

#8 7 years ago

Yes, even A games do get boring when played too much.

#9 7 years ago

I seen plenty of times where you have a bunch of A list games in a room and the EM in the garage ends up being the game everyone plays on by the end of the night. Forget about A,B,C, etc. It does not mean much. Get the games you enjoy. You will be surprised at how many others do to. I have a Gottlieb 300 set up without a tilt (Slow slide) ; Felt casters; wood floor and it has probably been the most game played ever in my house (Teenagers) since I got into this 18 years ago and I have owned pretty much all DMD's. Just a blast to war on.

F14 was the second game I restored and I have bought and sold over 400 games and I still own it if that tells you something.

#10 7 years ago

Don't worry about either.

Get the games YOU want. Be it many or few.

LTG : )

#11 7 years ago

I love a small collection but have limited space so there is a need to swap one in and one out. Just recently, I have decided to downsize three pins to two but I want to upgrade both pro models to premium models. I find I really only play a couple pins regularly thus my need for only two. Anymore is a waste of floor space, imo.

#12 7 years ago

I think you would burn out with only one game, no matter how good. Having another game to offset it is really important. If you are enjoying the 2 you have don't sell them for one. Wait until you have one or two more before making deals like that. Over time you can then upgrade (or downgrade) machines as you know which ones you like best.

#13 7 years ago

I think it comes down do how much space you have. I decided to go for fewer pins in nicer condition then having maybe a few more in avg condition. There is no right or wrong, decide for yourself if you prefer a few nice a listers or maybe 8-10 "B/C" titles.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

I wouldn't want all A titles because most A titles are not really that good of games. Many B and C and even H titles are way better than most A titles.

Maybe to you they aren't that fun but it appears you are in the minority in that regard wether you want to believe it or not.

#14 7 years ago
Quoted from smassa:

Maybe to you they aren't that fun but it appears you are in the minority in that regard wether you want to believe it or not.

There are some A titles I like. But not all of them. Not matter what you get, if you have only 1 pin, it's going to get old. Unless it's a virtual pin. You'll get sick of MM just as fast if not faster than you would a Jurassic Park. You need variety and very different games. Would be pointless to have MB, MM and AFM, as they are all pretty much the same game. Better off having a JD, JM and a DW. Completely different games and feeling completely different. Depending on the size of your gameroom, you'll want to fill it with diversity if the price is right. Wait for games to fall in your lap for a reasonable price. Once you get in the mindset that you have to have "such and Such" a title and have to have it NOW. that's when you start getting in trouble and overpay through the ass.

As for minority or majority. I know many are Lemmings and follow the hype. Just because it's hyped up, doesn't mean it's fun. Usually means someone want to cash out because they have it or several. Lots of overhype on these boards. Always has been.

#15 7 years ago

Like the consensus in this thread, pick what YOU like. Many or few, whatever rocks your boat.

Also space is an issue with most of us, i really have place for 5 but cramded in 7
Think i am also quickly attached to things, difficult to let go..... my SpeakEasy-4 should leave but i cannot part with it, beeing my first, bought in '87

#16 7 years ago

Space, Space, Space plus budget dictates the answer - as has been said by others. Volume of games is great to keep you from getting bored with your games, but almost everyone has space issues so they get the best games they can afford to fill to maximize numbers with budget.

#17 7 years ago

Also, don't under estimate the importance of theme. Get games that you LOVE the theme for. I have Doctor Who, which is a C List game . . . while I enjoy the game the theme alone makes it a keeper for life for me. I will be passing that game down to my son in my will.

Never under estimate a good theme (or rather a theme that is good for you since that is so subjective).

#18 7 years ago

Best thing you can do is play before you buy although that doesn't always work out!.....

I'm lucky enough to have Pinballz up the road from me where I can play about 100 pins or so....

My two favorite pins right now are WPT and NBA Fastbreak, while I have SM and Lotr in the top 10......

Look at people's comments about the pins and forget the overall ratings...they are WORTHLESS..

#19 7 years ago

In every hobby, I've started with a desire for quantity and ended by emphasizing quality. Note, however, that I speak of quality as I myself came to understand it, not simply by referencing price, although the two often correlate.

In time, you become exposed to more options, you learn what you most like amongst those options, and you refine your collection within the limitations of your situation. That's why the best advice given on Pinside is to play as many games as possible. The more you know, the likelier you are to avoid costly mistakes (spoken by someone who has made more than his share).

#20 7 years ago

Im not fully sure what you mean by quality? Title or condition? Title is a bit more subjective then condition. I try to get the best condition game of the title I like at the cheapest price I can manage.

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#22 7 years ago
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#23 7 years ago

Either way, I still say to build up a few games before you ever considered making moves. Having three even subpar machines (and you have two good ones) to go between over a good one would still be my recommendation for variety, and then work from there.

You can always sell anything, and every title comes your way eventually, that's what I've learned.

#24 7 years ago

I currently have room for 6 and would have to sell before buying. I'm in the quality over quantity camp.

#25 7 years ago

I started wanted quantity and now I'm considering changing over to quality now. I have more room in my house for more pins but no more room for them in my lounge which is where I like them. Thinking of selling a couple to fund another really nice one like my RBION.

#26 7 years ago

Quality is subjective (as is quantity I suppose). In a small collection you cannot have quantity. I only keep games I like and sell the rest, even if most others think it is the "Best Game Evar!"

#27 7 years ago

I have a small collection with some A titles, some B's titles and some God knows what. However my family and myself enjoy the shit out of them so they are all A titles or quality to us, it's all about playing the silverball with self enjoyment not about what a text list says it's about.

#28 7 years ago

As SC said, it is about preference, and it takes time to figure out what one's preferences in pins are, and over time that changes.

Enjoy what you have and allow your self to try a variety of games regardless of what list they fall on. Explore different designers. You might keep a game becasue of fondness for a theme that may not play better than on whose theme you do not like as much.

Seems like your two are very different and complementary. F14 is simple and can be brutal. JP I am not that familiar with, but I am pretty sure it has more going on and a lot deeper that F14. That is what I try to go for, games that are not the same in terms of play, not all deep, not all brutal, not all stop and go.

You are off to a good start for sure!

Dan

#29 7 years ago

You go with both quality & whatever quantity you can comfortably fit in your space. There are just too many good titles out there that don't cost that much that I would consider to be high quality. So there is no reason you can't have both. I will go for an A title one day if I have the extra cash & its a hard deal to pass up. Otherwise, I won't bend over backwards to get one.

I think a lot of people are starting to feel this way & that we are starting to see crazy A prices dip a little while previously underrated gems have jumped a bit. Not sure if I have enough facts to back this up, but it feels like I'm seeing this.
I can't disagree. I lost count how many times I hear a person talk about how they play a certain B title more than the A title that they had to sell their bodies on the street to get. A titles are still A titles which are fine & dandy, but many shouldn't cost 2x or 3x of what an equally fun B title can. Or in the case of MM, 6x or whatever the hell that goes for these days, I don't even pay attention since its so far out of my league.

#30 7 years ago

I bought STTNG and DM last summer. STTNG is certainly an A-List game for me. I was kinda surprised that I play DM as much as I do STTNG. IT is just a fun game to play. At less than half the cost, it was definitely an entertainment value.

I was recently planning to sell Pinbot, Highspeed, and DM to help fund the purchases of Guns n' Roses and AC/DC. I have since decided against that. I might be able to pay for a Gn'R if I sold all 3, but I don't think it would be worth it since I enjoy playing them all. This means I will actually have to spend more money to get the new games, but I think I will be happier that way. I do find myself rethinking the AC/DC purchase though. I could get 3 fun games for that price. I am really going to have to think about that as I am saving up the cash.

#31 7 years ago

Instead of owning a 15K MM, I would rather get 7 $2000 games with 1K left to upgrade them with new parts, LEDS etc. For me, quantity. By a mile. Especially since some of the games to me would be of higer quality then one big ticket machine.

#32 7 years ago

CaptainNeo +1

#33 7 years ago

Awesome replies from everyone. Right now I am in the same mind set as most. I would much rather have my two machines than one. In the next 6-12 months, I probably will be itching hard to get a new machine, and that is when I have to decide if I would trade one or both of these machines for one of the machines I listed. I love the variety I have so far. Two completely different games, both which are awesome.

I have played Tron, AC/DC and Metallica, and would argue that any of these 3 are better IMO than the machines I have individually, but together I might argue I would take JP + F14.

My goal for the next year or 18 months is to get another machine in the same range as JP, like WC94, JD, JM, TFTC, etc... and than possibly trade one of JP or F14 out for one of my 'A' listers that I listed

... Has anyone ever said that Pinball was addicting? lol

#34 7 years ago

I only have room for 1 setup at a time, with a second one in storage.
I play ACDC for a while, then when I want some variety, I swap it out for Avengers.
For me, I'm making the most out of limited space.
You'll get to learn the games faster and deeper ruleset understanding cause you won't be spreading your time over many different pins.

I'm not preaching that this is the only way to enjoy pinball, but it works for me.
I love having 2 premium pimp-looking machines. I don't think I would enjoy twice as many pins that don't have the same "pop" effect.

Maybe you should continue saving, then upgrade one of your pins to an A title. Baby steps.

#35 7 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

I would not sell (for example) my HS2, WCS, and JM in order to get into a AC/DC premium. While I think AC/DC is a great machine it's not worth three B-listers in my opinion.

This makes a lot of sense... I agree 100%

#36 7 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

I would not sell (for example) my HS2, WCS, and JM in order to get into a AC/DC premium. While I think AC/DC is a great machine it's not worth three B-listers in my opinion.

I would say ACDC premium is a title I would 100% have over three B listers.... Actually It took the place of an A lister and a B lister in my house

#37 7 years ago

I am completely maxed out at 6. So I currently have 8.

I have issues.

#38 7 years ago

As a new pin owner I have to deal with a couple of different factors. Space and budget. Right now I have six pins (keeping one for a friend) over at the house and am out of room.

I am looking to "upgrade" by parting with my BK machine in order to get a CFTBL, but the others in my collection are all older machines or "B" machines (ala TFTC). So I am slowly building my collection but can see selling a couple of my older machines for a newer machine.

Plus... I have to make room for Charlie's pinball machine when it comes out.

#39 7 years ago
Quoted from Chambahz:

I only have room for 1 setup at a time, with a second one in storage.
I play ACDC for a while, then when I want some variety, I swap it out for Avengers.
For me, I'm making the most out of limited space.
You'll get to learn the games faster and deeper ruleset understanding cause you won't be spreading your time over many different pins.
I'm not preaching that this is the only way to enjoy pinball, but it works for me.
I love having 2 premium pimp-looking machines. I don't think I would enjoy twice as many pins that don't have the same "pop" effect.
Maybe you should continue saving, then upgrade one of your pins to an A title. Baby steps.

my only issue with that is that if you have friends around you only have the one pin to play. I found 3 was a good number for me, enough for multiple people to play and not too many that I played them all regularly. I have 4 now and have noticed I go through phases of not playing one for a bit or only playing a couple games on each.

#40 7 years ago
Quoted from smassa:

I think it comes down do how much space you have. I decided to go for fewer pins in nicer condition then having maybe a few more in avg condition. There is no right or wrong, decide for yourself if you prefer a few nice a listers or maybe 8-10 "B/C" titles.

Maybe to you they aren't that fun but it appears you are in the minority in that regard wether you want to believe it or not.

To be fair, if you really look at the A list titles, there are three things that generally play into their cost, and home fun-factor, until recently, really hasn't been a consideration... Consider this:

1) Themes that are well loved and family friendly always fit everywhere and in everyone's game line up. Games like Judge Dredd, Demolition Man, Starship Troopers, and so on are violent enough that it turns some families off. Same with Playboy and a slew of other games that have girls on the playfield. None of the A-list titles have any questionable themes at all.

2) The games that are so popular are generally strong earners (TZ being a big exception here) that you had to pry out of the hands of operators. JD earned crap on route, so the perception was that it was a bad game and it was sold cheaply. MM earned a ton more than new games on route, so it was always going to be worth more than the latest and greatest.

3) And because of that earning, people who only want one or two want a game that is family friendly and a game that they remember. No one remembers the games that ran through arcades quickly, but everyone remembers the MM that made money for 15 years and can't be found any more, or the TAF that is still out there taking coins, or whatever.

All of the above created a market where the actual gameplay is secondary when considering the cost, or at least it did during the Bally / Williams era and the first 8 or so years of the 2000s. Now, gameplay in new games really does seem to matter, as ops have faded out.

The perfect example of this I think is TOM and / or TOTAN. Both of them are amazingly stunning looking games with totally family friendly themes. Neither theme is dated by age. They both earned really well on route...

...but, the actual gameplay that they have if you are a better player simply isn't there. I can't think of one person I consider a "great" player who loves either one of them because of how the software is set up.

Personally, I like games that are amazingly tough, and those are games that generally didn't do anything in arcades because they were too tough. My entire collection basically consists of games that are B-C titles by choice, and I could have gotten A titles many times in the past. It's all personal preference though - with few exceptions, the games that I used to play aren't as interesting to me as the games that I want to play today

#41 7 years ago

You could always go to another collectors house for a get together and when they're not looking you just sneak a few of your favorite machines into your pocket and casually walk out the door = quality AND quantity why limit yourself

i think i might have had too much alcohol this weekend

#42 7 years ago

Buy what *you* enjoy playing. Build your collection around that. Every other perspective will just lead to a lot of wasted time, wasted space and eventual heartbreak.

#43 7 years ago

Go into it with a mindset of "what am I going to want long-term?" Bear in mind, if you buy a game you're not going to want to keep, you are going to have to sell it to free up space eventually.

There's nothing wrong with picking up a few 'lesser' games when starting out just to round out a collection, though. I impulse-bought a Judge Dredd, and fell in love with it. Don't just buy anything that's cheap; look for something that's the right combination of fun / personal enjoyment, good value for money, and appears to have some longevity. It help to play a lot of games, too, so you'll have a better perspective on what you like.

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