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Q: rottendog power driver gi is all dim

By pinballplusMN

2 years ago


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    #2 2 years ago

    On those big black heat sinks, the drivers are all bad. On a conventional Williams WPC power driver board, those drivers are TRIACS. On a Rottendog, they did things differently..... they used special voltage regulators that looked like triacs. We had one Rottendog WPC power driver board where all of the GI drivers were bad and only outputting 2 volts to the bulbs.

    I remember we had to get the exact numbers off of the bad parts. We had to get them from out of the country because nobody in the USA had them at the time.

    #5 2 years ago

    Get the fuse clips from Great Plains Electronics.

    https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/products.asp?cat=32

    They stock regular and high current fuse clips.

    #6 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinballplusMN:

    Good to know. Did something cause them to all go bad? Bad batch possibly? Do all rotten dog driver boards have this issue? I suppose I cant use triacs in a rd board. Just wondering what's best for my customer. The transformer hums when the rd board is used as well as it's under stress when gi hooked up. Crappy rd design .
    Thanks for responding and your help. Jr

    Ours was a defective board right out of the box (with a 2020 date). I'm assuming they had bad batches of components and were not testing every board they made.

    #10 2 years ago

    I just had a look at the board I fixed. It was a Rottendog "WDB95" which is for WPC95 machines. This has three black heat sinks for the general illumination circuits.

    The special drivers are type LM1085-IT-5.0 and have an associated 2N5401 transistor with each one on the board.

    On Rottendog power driver boards for WPC89 systems, those use five type MAC210A8G drivers and an associated 2N5401 transistor for the general illumination.

    #14 2 years ago

    LM1085 is what is actually installed on the WDB95 board when we unboxed it and then we put it in a machine.

    I could get a picture, but not today.

    The MAC210A8G which was installed on a WPC89 power driver board is a device number I am unfamiliar with. I've never seen or heard of that number before. Don't know what it is.

    #16 2 years ago

    When we first plugged in that Rottendog WDB95 after unboxing it, we smelled something hot! That's when we noticed part of general illumination was out. We then installed a rebuilt genuine Williams driver board and everything was fine (lights all working and no more hot smell). You think someone at Rottendog installed the wrong parts?

    #18 2 years ago

    The LM1085 installed by Rottendog has only three leads.

    #23 2 years ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    Return the Rottendog to your distributor if you can and buy one of these:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dumbass-test-and-reproduction-pcbs
    Vince's boards are excellent and constructed as close to OEM specifications as possible.

    It's been a year since we bought that Rottendog board.

    We talk to Victor Tan all the time. He comes to visit us every so often and try out boards in our machines. He's located about an hour away from us.
    EDIT: Victor was just here for a couple of hours today.

    #24 2 years ago

    Here are pictures of that WDB95 board with the LM1085 IT-5.0 installed for the general illumination circuit. Notice they are attached to the heat sinks with pop rivets!
    WDB95-1 (resized).JPGWDB95-1 (resized).JPGWDB95-2 (resized).JPGWDB95-2 (resized).JPGWDB95-3 (resized).JPGWDB95-3 (resized).JPGWDB95-4 (resized).JPGWDB95-4 (resized).JPG

    #28 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinballplusMN:

    Thanks for the advice! So just to clarify what 5 Triacs should I order to fix the rotten board and who may have stock? Thanks in advance! Jr

    You can use either of these:

    MAC210A8G (Digikey has these)
    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/MAC210A8G/918546?s=N4IgTCBcDaILIEEDCYCMAGAhgDgOYgF0BfIA

    BT138-600E (Digikey also stocks this and at a good price)
    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/ween-semiconductors/BT138-600E-127/1155157

    #29 2 years ago
    Quoted from Crash:

    Are those regulators the only things that would need replacement?

    Yes, that appears to be the only incorrect parts that were installed on the WDB95 board. The associated 2N5401 transistors might have been damaged, but I don't think so. Just the three black heat sinks grouped together had the incorrect parts.

    The big black heat sink in the upper left all by itself is the actual 5 volt regulator power supply. Leave that one alone.

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