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Diving into another Classic Bally - I cannot FATHOM what might go wrong!


By TractorDoc

10 months ago



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#351 3 months ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Those are the ones! timab2000 -- You need to wash your feet!
Blasted my set today, they will probably get a coat of silver to match the legs.
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I had just enough of a window today to get a coat of fill primer on between downpours. Heading out to see a movie tonite with the Mrs., will see if I can get some sanding done tomorrow. If I look close enough there are still a couple areas of cabinet cellulite going on. . . [quoted image]

Just buy new ones. Cheap & would look better than painted which will scrape off soon

#352 3 months ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Just buy new ones. Cheap & would look better than painted which will scrape off soon

That probably is the best idea. My hope is that the cabinet(s) will not have to rest on them much, but also had the thought that if they did the paint would be subjected to scratches.

I was not 100% sure what to call them, but a "furniture glide" appears to be the proper term. A quick search of "Prong Furniture Glide" on E-bay brings several options, I have not taken the time to check thru the local Home Depot.

I managed to fill, sand, and spray the (hopefully) last fill primer coat on the cabinets today. I dodged scattered rain showers all afternoon so did not take extra time for pictures. . . but I think you know what the cabinets look like in primer by now.
I'd like to finally get some dark blue sprayed this week. . . if my schedule and the weather cooperate!

#353 3 months ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Just buy new ones. Cheap & would look better than painted which will scrape off soon

I never could find new ones, except plastic glides like used on the 90’s pins. The metal ones are unobtainium.

#354 3 months ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

That probably is the best idea. My hope is that the cabinet(s) will not have to rest on them much, but also had the thought that if they did the paint would be subjected to scratches.
I was not 100% sure what to call them, but a "furniture glide" appears to be the proper term. A quick search of "Prong Furniture Glide" on E-bay brings several options, I have not taken the time to check thru the local Home Depot.
I managed to fill, sand, and spray the (hopefully) last fill primer coat on the cabinets today. I dodged scattered rain showers all afternoon so did not take extra time for pictures. . . but I think you know what the cabinets look like in primer by now.
I'd like to finally get some dark blue sprayed this week. . . if my schedule and the weather cooperate!

You can always add WPC styles cleats to the back + the nail in gliders. Not a "numbers matching" type of addition but a worthwhile investment.

#355 3 months ago

This is one of the first sets I saw on E-bay -- I have not measured my originals but I think one inch is close?

ebay.com link » 8 Nail 3 Prong 1 Furniture Chair Base Glides Feet Metal Amp Fender Vintage Nc

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#356 3 months ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

This is one of the first sets I saw on E-bay -- I have not measured my originals but I think one inch is close?
ebay.com link » 8 Nail 3 Prong 1 Furniture Chair Base Glides Feet Metal Amp Fender Vintage Nc[quoted image]

Thanks for posting that I just bought some to replace those nasty ones I had.

I measured my old ones and they are about 7/8 inch. I doubt anyone will notice.

#357 3 months ago
Quoted from jj44114:

I never could find new ones, except plastic glides like used on the 90’s pins. The metal ones are unobtainium.

Nylon feet are your best bet. Those old metal feet can scratch floors and don't slide as well as the nylon feet. I quit re-using those metal feet several years ago.

#358 3 months ago
Quoted from jj44114:

I never could find new ones, except plastic glides like used on the 90’s pins. The metal ones are unobtainium.

McMASTER-CARR has them. The ones I got are the same size as the Ballys but I don't remember what dia they were.

#359 3 months ago

Took the plunge into my can of dark blue basecoat today. One last pic of the cabinets in primer gray.

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Three or so coats later. . .

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This is my first time using this basecoat/clearcoat system. My past projects have mostly been single stage.
I know I have a window of time that would allow me to add the next color without any special preparation, but I was not sure how long I need to wait before I can apply stencils. My schedule does not help either being so unpredictable, so on top of today's basecoat I applied a couple quick shots of intercoat clear. I will need to scruff the surfaces before applying the next color(s)/clearcoat, the intercoat clear will provide a buffer and hopefully prevent me from scruffing thru basecoat into primer.

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A sunlit view of the front. As much as I filled, primed, sanded, etc. several small imperfections still remain. I could probably keep filling/sanding for weeks!

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In the end I am happy with how things are looking so far. . . the next big step will involve stencils.

#360 3 months ago

I'm with you, at some point it is about as good as it is gonna get and time for paint. Looks nice so far.

#361 3 months ago

I am curious about that inter clear. Is it less toxic than what your top layer is?

#362 3 months ago

Just about all this stuff is toxic.
I will attach a copy of the Technical Data Sheet -- note at the upper paragraph it specifically states not to use as a topcoat/clearcoat. The Safety Data Sheets are available on Valspar's House of Kolor Website. It was about 10 pages long so I chose not to add it here.

SG100.pdf
#363 3 months ago

Love me some HOK product. I've thought about using the same intercoat clear, and really wish that I would have for my Silverball Mania restore.

#364 3 months ago

Today was a day I have been both looking forward to and dreading at the same time.
I busted out the stencils from Pinball Pimp (Thanks Pinballpimp !).

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I had been looking forward to using them because I want to see progress on the cabinet. I was not looking forward to the application/painting in fear of doing something wrong. This was my first time using the Pimp's stencils.

Step One. I started with the upper cabinet. Fathom alternates first colors on the upper and bottom cabinets (light blue first on upper and green first on bottom) so I decided to focus on just the upper cabinet today. It was smaller so if I did something wrong it would be a smaller mistake, right?
I masked everything off except the sides accepting the stencil.

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Step Two. Carefully I peeled the backing from the stencil as directed on the Pimp's website and applied to the cabinet. The first set went on well enough. I had a few small air bubbles here and there after pressing everything down but the did not cut into the painted areas so I was not worried about them.

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Step Three. Peeled the outer holding layer off. . . looks good at this point.

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Step Four. Add some turquoiseish paint:

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#365 3 months ago

And I let it dry overnight. Just Kidding!

I started peeling the stencil off not long after setting the paint gun back in the shop. All I could think while peeling the stencil away was that I was about to throw away $30 ($15 for each side). . . but the pattern left on the cabinet was worth it!

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One of my many faults is that I tend to be very heavy when it comes to paint application. No exception today, pulling the stencil revealed noticeable edge lines between the two colors. Once the light blue was dry to the touch I added a couple quick coats of intercoat clear. This helped melt the edges a bit and would do so to a greater extent once I scruffed the surface for the green layer.

My intention was to leave things at this point for the day, but I had mixed up a bit more intercoat clear than I needed so after running some errands I decided to come back and make the push to add the green layer. I scruffed the intercoat layer up (really did not need to for paint adhesion but I wanted to knock my paint edges down some) and I applied the second set of stencils.

I struggled a bit more with these. If you look back at the first pic you will see a box with an X at the top right corner and a box that retained light blue paint at the bottom left corner. The second set of stencils had openings that fit over these boxes for proper alignment. . . I had a heck of a time achieving it. I think in the end it turned out ok, but lets just say I don't recommend anyone hire me to apply their stencils at this point in time.

I sprayed the green and pulled off another $30. . .here is the result after spraying on the leftover intercoat:

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There are a couple spots that could be better. . . but at the end of the day I keep looking at the cabinet and smiling. My thick paint layers almost give a 3-D effect (that I kind of like!). I still need to add the clear coat, hopefully that will give the metallic a bit more pop.

I will probably take more time between colors with the bottom cabinet. . . maybe have time to start the green later next week.

#366 3 months ago

Looks awesome! Of course you’re looking at it through a microscope but it still looks amazing.

#367 3 months ago

I have use these stencils several times. It's hard to get the coats down where you don't get too heavy, but still have good coverage and not leave an edge.

I don't think that you can get it to look like it came from the factory, unless you use an airbrush afterwards to get that over spray affect, if that make sense.

#368 3 months ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Took the plunge into my can of dark blue basecoat today. One last pic of the cabinets in primer gray.
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Three or so coats later. . .
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This is my first time using this basecoat/clearcoat system. My past projects have mostly been single stage.
I know I have a window of time that would allow me to add the next color without any special preparation, but I was not sure how long I need to wait before I can apply stencils. My schedule does not help either being so unpredictable, so on top of today's basecoat I applied a couple quick shots of intercoat clear. I will need to scruff the surfaces before applying the next color(s)/clearcoat, the intercoat clear will provide a buffer and hopefully prevent me from scruffing thru basecoat into primer.
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A sunlit view of the front. As much as I filled, primed, sanded, etc. several small imperfections still remain. I could probably keep filling/sanding for weeks!
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In the end I am happy with how things are looking so far. . . the next big step will involve stencils.

It is all on a bell curve. I am amazed at the work you do, yet people can always scrutinize anything...and you are probably hardest on yourself.

If you ever just get sick of looking at it, however, I will pm my address to you

#369 3 months ago

Yeah I think it looks pretty good

#371 3 months ago

Looks great, Dave.

When your done you can come do mine.

#372 3 months ago

Looks great. I'm sure the clear will make the metallic pop even more.

#373 3 months ago
Quoted from JayDee:

Looks awesome!

Quoted from Daditude:

I am amazed at the work you do

Quoted from timab2000:

Yeah I think it looks pretty good

Quoted from Atari_Daze:

Looks fantastic!

Quoted from Skypilot:

Looks great, Dave.

Quoted from ReadyPO:

Looks great.

I truly appreciate everyone's kind words. I have been away from the shop all day but will admit to having those pictures up on the laptop most of the morning.

Quoted from Skypilot:

When your done you can come do mine.

Don't forget Keith, I've seen some of your work. If anything it has inspired me to do better!

#374 88 days ago

Despite the warmer weather I spent time today painting the cabinet legs/brackets/etc. I used some of my single stage paint that is usually sprayed on tractor rims. The silver is definitely shades lighter than the original gray, I will have to see them on the cabinet to decide if they are too distracting.

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I thought it too hot to work with stencils on the lower cabinet, but I did move forward with putting the clear coat on the upper cabinet.
Say, who is that handome guy on that pinball machine?

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View of the side in the outdoors.

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Back in the shop.

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There is some orange peel that I may try to compound out in some areas. . . but overall I am happy with the result.
I tucked everything in the corner to let the paint cure and thought the legs reflected in the top of the cabinet was worth the picture.

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Next week looks to be a busy one at the office and out of it; painting the stencils on the lower cabinet is next when I can fit it in!

#375 88 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Despite the warmer weather I spent time today painting the cabinet legs/brackets/etc. I used some of my single stage paint that is usually sprayed on tractor rims. The silver is definitely shades lighter than the original gray, I will have to see them on the cabinet to decide if they are too distracting.
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I thought it too hot to work with stencils on the lower cabinet, but I did move forward with putting the clear coat on the upper cabinet.
Say, who is that handome guy on that pinball machine?
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View of the side in the outdoors.
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Back in the shop.
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There is some orange peel that I may try to compound out in some areas. . . but overall I am happy with the result.
I tucked everything in the corner to let the paint cure and thought the legs reflected in the top of the cabinet was worth the picture.
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Next week looks to be a busy one at the office and out of it; painting the stencils on the lower cabinet is next when I can fit it in!

Good lord man!!! That thing is gonna look amazing!

#376 88 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Despite the warmer weather I spent time today painting the cabinet legs/brackets/etc. I used some of my single stage paint that is usually sprayed on tractor rims. The silver is definitely shades lighter than the original gray, I will have to see them on the cabinet to decide if they are too distracting.
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I thought it too hot to work with stencils on the lower cabinet, but I did move forward with putting the clear coat on the upper cabinet.
Say, who is that handome guy on that pinball machine?
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View of the side in the outdoors.
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Back in the shop.
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There is some orange peel that I may try to compound out in some areas. . . but overall I am happy with the result.
I tucked everything in the corner to let the paint cure and thought the legs reflected in the top of the cabinet was worth the picture.
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Next week looks to be a busy one at the office and out of it; painting the stencils on the lower cabinet is next when I can fit it in!

That looks absolutely spectacular, Doc.

1 week later
#377 77 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Next week looks to be a busy one at the office and out of it

Last week was a busy one indeed, here is a pic from the "out of it" part. Brother-in-law and I traveled out to Washington State to hike around Mount Rainier a couple days. That is at Camp Muir at just over 10,000 feet elevation. I'm the one wearing boots.

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I started work on the first stencil for the bottom cabinet today. Starting at the front, I cut a piece of shipping foam to fill the coin door opening.

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I then aligned the first stencil up as best I could with the front panel. Notice that I cut the upper corners down to just the stencil itself to better align. I taped the stencil across the top to hold it in place.

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I flipped everything up, then pulled the backing off the stencil.

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Holding at the two bottom corners I folded the stencil back over keeping it taught as it came into contact with the cabinet. I used my driver's license to smooth out the wrinkles. . . somehow I lost the squeegee that was sent with the stencil kit. The occasional bubble/wrinkle did not bother me as long as they did not carry into the area to be painted.

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This technique worked well on the front panel, so I moved on and tried it on the sides.

#378 77 days ago

Ah, yes, the sides. I did struggle a bit more here -- a second person or a third arm really would have been useful but as I had neither available I pushed forward. Things were going smooth, first side all lined up and taped up.

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The problem came in after I had flipped the stencil up and pulled off the backing. Part of my tape hinge pulled free so I spent about 30 minutes trying to line everything up again with the sticky side exposed. At one point part of the stencil folded over onto itself and I thought I most certainly was going to have to order another one. . . but somehow I pulled everything apart and managed to get it in place.

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I learned my lesson and used stronger tape for the other side; I managed to get it on in a fraction of the time.

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Front corner alignment looks good.

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#379 77 days ago

And then there was paint. Green Paint.
I had my usual hiccups and obstacles but after the paint gun had been emptied and the stencils pulled I thought the lines looked good. I sprayed in cooler temperatures today out of the sun and I believe that helped keep the paint from sticking to the stencil edges/provided smoother lines.

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Corner alignment acceptable.

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Finished the day off with a couple quick coats of intercoat clear. Rather than try to push forward with the second color as I did on the upper cabinet I am choosing to give the bottom a longer cure duration. I am sure I will need the extra time to apply the next set of stencils anyway!

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It should be fairly obvious which game we are working on at this point!

#380 77 days ago

Looks great !

#381 75 days ago

Applied the last set of stencils today.

Alignment was key -- Pinball Pimp provides markers on the first stencil that help line up the second, I elected to remove those markers though in order to spray the intercoat clear (the marker would have left an outline in the clear).

I used my tape across the top hinge technique, measured up/down/left/right, and remeasured a couple more times before attempting to apply the stencil.

The application actually went well this time. Zero bubbles or wrinkles on the front panel and only a few on the sides.

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There was only a slight spot or two on the letter "scales" where the new blue went a bit over the edge of the green, but looking back at the original the art presents the same way so I'm good with it.

#382 75 days ago

Mixed some paint, sprayed the cabinet, and pulled off the stencil.

The front looks good. The coin door trim will cover the areas that do not continue into the coin door opening.

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Corners look to match well enough.

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And the sides. The metallic in the scales looks fantastic in the sun. Should sparkle even more once the clear goes on.

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The tail is my favorite image on the cabinet.

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So far I am very happy -- another big Thank You to PinballPimp for having these stencils available. I'm sure I will be back for other sets. . . . I just hope not too soon as applying these gave me several more gray hairs (but that was me stressing too much, not the stencil's fault )

One more scuff down and some clear coat then legs can be attached -- cannot wait!

#383 75 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Mixed some paint, sprayed the cabinet, and pulled off the stencil.
The front looks good. The coin door trim will cover the areas that do not continue into the coin door opening.
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Corners look to match well enough.
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And the sides. The metallic in the scales looks fantastic in the sun. Should sparkle even more once the clear goes on.
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The tail is my favorite image on the cabinet.
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So far I am very happy -- another big Thank You to PinballPimp for having these stencils available. I'm sure I will be back for other sets. . . . I just hope not too soon as applying these gave me several more gray hairs (but that was me stressing too much, not the stencil's fault )
One more scuff down and some clear coat then legs can be attached -- cannot wait!

That looks fantastic!

-Paul

#384 75 days ago

Amazing

#385 74 days ago

Wow! Great work. Love your attention to detail.

#386 74 days ago

Great attention to detail...
This is looking ..well words really can’t describe it
I am sure that it looks even better in person ..

Will have to get some of these stencils ...

#387 74 days ago

This looks fantastic! I wish the pictures were able to show the metallic in the paint better.

#388 74 days ago
Quoted from Pablito350:

That looks fantastic!

Quoted from Pinslot:

Wow! Great work. Love your attention to detail.

Quoted from burtcam:

This is looking ..well words really can’t describe it

Quoted from cletus:

This looks fantastic! I wish the pictures were able to show the metallic in the paint better.

Thanks for the positive vibes.

Right now the metallic on the bottom is muted by the lack of the clear topcoat. Once it gets sprayed on the basecoat should show a bit more life. Hopefully I can capture the effect in pictures. . . or I can get the game to a show or event where Pinsiders will be able to see it for themselves.

#389 74 days ago

Amazing work Doc. Looks spectacular!!

#390 74 days ago

I am jelly! nice work!

#391 74 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

The tail is my favorite image on the cabinet.

Yeah look great, keep up the good work.

#392 74 days ago

It was another beautiful weather day here today. Even though I had to work this morning I made time this afternoon to apply the clearcoat to the bottom cabinet. All the sides received a scuff down to provide a good foundation on all layers for the clear.

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Bottom side first -- cannot forget to clear that bottom edge!

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There is that guy again. . .

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Front showing a bit more sparkle.

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Each side after about three coats.

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The clear has really added some life to all three colors. The shade/metallic of each changes depending on where you look at the cabinet and how the light hits it. I took a couple close ups in the shop that I will post next.

#393 74 days ago

As promised a couple more closer ups in shop lighting, plus one more reflection picture that I noticed as I tucked the cabinet away for the night.

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As you can see there definitely is some orange peel. I will test buff out a couple areas tomorrow to see if I can smooth it out some. I am super happy with how the light blue "scales" look over the green letters -- exactly the effect I wanted to achieve.

#394 74 days ago

Looks awesome! Ahh Fathom

#395 73 days ago

HOLY CRAP!!!
That's one hell of a paint job

#396 73 days ago


So cool!

#397 72 days ago

About all I had time to do yesterday was check out some legs.
So far I am not hating how the silver looks against the cabinet, but I will need to see it along with the stainless to make sure it is not too much.

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Also did some unmasking to see how the inside held up. No overspray but a lot of sanding dust! Had to set the transformer plate in to see how it would look, the top glass slide is resting in there too for now until I can find/polish/install the screws.

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#398 72 days ago

Green legs might look cool. But sure looks nice so far.

#399 72 days ago

I think the silver legs look great as-is, but could could certainly add "pizzaz" if you wanted to color-match the green coloring on the cab.

#400 72 days ago

Green legs could look nice. You have to admit the green is bright/noticeable; if I paint the legs that color I wonder if that would be the first thing people pick out vs. the artwork on the cabinet itself.

I like the classic look of Fathom and want to keep it somewhat close to the original vibe. I want to be careful not to cross the line that puts me into the "ugly powder coated games thread" -- if I've not crossed that line already.

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