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Judge Dreadfull -- 20 Years for Lack of Illumination


By TractorDoc

1 year ago



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#601 13 days ago

Reserved for Fathom Pictures.

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#602 13 days ago

Ooops. I loaded this pic upsidedown. Or did I?

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#603 13 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Reserved for more Fathom Pictures.

Awesome

#604 12 days ago

While working on a few switch adjustments I remembered to bring out the new reference cards I printed out for the backbox and cabinet.

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Somehow I forgot to take a picture of the backbox, but managed to get a shot of the most important tag.

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#605 12 days ago

After a couple hours of adjusting, playing, readjusting, playing more, etc. I decided it was time to put the playfield glass in place.

One last overhead playfield pic without the barrier.

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All glassed up and ready to play. Live nearby or driving thru and want to put a few games on? Send me a PM and I'll have a couple beers ready. Probably still a few bugs to work out but that is part of the fun, right?

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Thanks to everyone for all the positive comments and helpful suggestions along the way. I'll reserve the next post for pictures to be taken in the daylight/sunlight when the weather is more pleasant. After that its time to move on to Chapter 3. . .

#606 12 days ago

Reserved for Fathom Pictures in the Sunlight.

#607 12 days ago

I happen to know the guy that beta-tested those things...

I see flipper hop on the right side (shudder!) Can you angle that guy up a little?

-mof

#608 12 days ago

Beautiful - congratulations!

#609 12 days ago

Simply amazing work! Keep us updated on future projects.

#610 12 days ago

I really enjoyed watching this Fathom project unfold and this game come to life... and I loved every bit of it!
Just amazing how it came out. Simply stunning. She's a beaut!!!! Really enjoyed your final close up pics with that shiny ball on pristine playfield next to clean new componenets and inserts....dreamy....
Thanks again for sharing your experiences with these restorations Doc!!!!!
Happy New Year

#611 12 days ago
Quoted from ChipScott:

I really enjoyed watching this Fathom project unfold and this game come to life... and I loved every bit of it!
Just amazing how it came out. Simply stunning. She's a beaut!!!! Really enjoyed your final close up pics with that shiny ball on pristine playfield next to clean new componenets and inserts....dreamy....
Thanks again for sharing your experiences with these restorations Doc!!!!!
Happy New Year

^^^^
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What he said.

#612 12 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

After a couple hours of adjusting, playing, readjusting, playing more, etc. I decided it was time to put the playfield glass in place.

Holy Crapballs!!!

#613 12 days ago

Nice work, I don't think that could have turned out any better!

#614 11 days ago
Quoted from mof:

I see flipper hop on the right side (shudder!)

Don't worry Mof, I think its the angle of the picture -- I had to go play the game for awhile today just to be sure and the ball rolls cleanly from the guide to the flipper.

Quoted from pintechev:

Beautiful - congratulations!

Thank You!

Quoted from pincoin:

Simply amazing work! Keep us updated on future projects.

Thank You and I will!

Quoted from ChipScott:

I really enjoyed watching this Fathom project unfold and this game come to life... and I loved every bit of it!
Just amazing how it came out. Simply stunning. She's a beaut!!!! Really enjoyed your final close up pics with that shiny ball on pristine playfield next to clean new componenets and inserts....dreamy....
Thanks again for sharing your experiences with these restorations Doc!!!!!
Happy New Year

Happy to share and Thank You for the comments, glad to hear you like it!

Quoted from xsvtoys:

What he said.

What I said (above)!

Quoted from Quint:

Holy Crapballs!!!

Hopefully Crapballs are a good thing. . . Thanks if they are!

Quoted from Billy16:

Nice work, I don't think that could have turned out any better!

Thanks! I'm very satisfied with the result myself. . . and it does not always work out that way!

Spent a little time on the next chapter this afternoon -- I'll have a post or two (as well as a thread title change) coming to tell you about it!

#615 11 days ago

Simply splendid. I have been following this post avidly as I love this generation of games and Fathom combines excellent artwork with great playfield design, so truly a worthy project.

#616 11 days ago

Very nice job! Looks great!

#617 11 days ago

By far the best looking Fathom I’ve ever seen. Incredible job!

#618 11 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Spent a little time on the next chapter this afternoon -- I'll have a post or two (as well as a thread title change) coming to tell you about it!

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#619 11 days ago

Now that Fathom is in the final stages it is time to start thinking about what is next.

Rather than jumping into another major project I thought it would be nice to improve on a game that is already working and playable. Something that will not take too long. . . maybe even something I'd feel comfortable selling once my work is done.

A Judge Dredd that came into my possession several months ago could be the perfect candidate. No exciting pickup story on this one. . . in fact someone knowing I was a "pinball guy" called me about the game and even delivered it! The price was more than reasonable and I had to agreed to buy the game from looking at a couple fuzzy cell phone pics. I was pleased enough when it showed up and have played quite a few games since its arrival.

A few pictures of our new project.

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Sometimes the excitement of owning and playing a new game allows me to overlook -- or not notice -- some less than ideal functions/conditions/etc.

It was when I decided to turn off the shop lights to play a few games on Dredd that I realized things were a bit dark!

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So I've decided to try and help the Judge out a bit. I'll take on correcting the GI and likely strip down the playfield for a good shop, fixing whatever else needs it while I'm at it.

So begins Chapter 3: Judge Dreadful -- 20 Years for Lack of Illumination!

#620 11 days ago

Some closer up playfield pics. Condition looks to be good, no obvious wear but definitely dirty -- even with a quick initial cleaning.

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Standard Deadworld, but this game came with a special left outlane diverter mod.

#621 11 days ago

Underside of the playfield looks to have been spared from beverage spillage, but there are a few unconnected connectors dangling.

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More loose wires in the cabinet (white/purple) -- likely for the empty button.

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#622 11 days ago

Looking at the outside of that same button -- seems like the extra ball button was relocated here.

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Probably because this game was upgraded to the Gambler's Edition some time in the past.

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#623 11 days ago

Taking a peek into the upper cabinet. . . some cooked connectors look to be present. J-120 is a different connector type than the others, suggesting it was replaced (and has reburnt at the left side!).

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Removal of J121. The plastic is literally falling off the metal pins. Looks like we have found a potential source for our lack of light as this connector is associated with the GI if I'm reading the schematics correctly.

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Time to source up some new pins and connectors!

#624 11 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Looks like we have found a potential source for our lack of light as this connector is associated with the GI if I'm reading the schematics correctly.

You are correct. Looks familiar.

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#625 10 days ago

Wooo, that looks bad. Hard to believe it has not caught fire

#626 8 days ago

A delivery from Great Plains Electronics (Thanks G-P-E !) shoulld help with getting the lights back on.

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Connector Pin set to length / connectors keyed / manual for reference.

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Time to plug in the desoldering gun. . . . tomorrow probably.

#627 7 days ago

Power Driver Board is out, this is my first look at the backside of this type/generation of board so I do not know if all the jumpers are "normal." The area I will be working on is at the lower right.

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The desoldering gun made quick work of heating/pushing out the header pins of J121. The plastic bits crumbled off before I started.

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For good measure I also removed the header pins at J120.

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New header pins soldered back in. Not my prettiest work, but I never claimed to be a professional.

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The front side looks a bit better. I replaced J117 as well -- it also had a toasty connector.

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I carefully put the board back in place and plugged in all the connectors. With high hopes I turned on the game and this is what I saw.

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If you are thinking it looks a lot like our original dark picture you are right. Our efforts did not correct the problem. . . or did they? Stay tuned to find out.

#628 7 days ago

Do you think the fuse holders have maybe a burnt trace from the header pins or effected some way they look a little burnt on the back side.

#629 7 days ago

Before I started pulling connectors (and my hair) I decided to raise the playfield and test the voltages on the GI circuit -- all checked normal.

The next logical thing to do was to pull a plastic and inspect the bulbs. This is what was found:

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I couldnt pull all the plastics, but removing the opposite slingshot and left side playfield plastic found more burned bulbs. I'm thinking our wiring/power supply is good. . . now we just have burned out bulbs. Every. Single. One.

A couple LEDs dropped under the easily moved slingshot plastics and. . .

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Let there be light!

#630 7 days ago

Sweet. I’m not sure if it’s a nice and easy find but great job.

#631 7 days ago

Now we play a few more games before starting disassembly for our shop job. New cabinet buttons and flipper rebuild kits have been ordered. . . I should have enough bulbs and silicone rings on hand from my recent Comet and Titan orders to round things out.

Curious to see how dirty it is under all those ramps. I'm thinking very.

#632 6 days ago

The pieces coming off the playfield are starting to pile up.

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Leaning towards warm white LEDs to compliment the yellows/reds/oranges on the playfield. No matter which/what type of bulb things are starting to look much brighter.

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I even had help in case I dropped something down in the cabinet!

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Next up -- time to do something about those bulbs under the inserts.

#633 6 days ago

Do you have a price in mind? I have been looking for a Judge Dredd

#634 6 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

The pieces coming off the playfield are starting to pile up.
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Leaning towards warm white LEDs to compliment the yellows/reds/oranges on the playfield. No matter which/what type of bulb things are starting to look much brighter.
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I even had help in case I dropped something down in the cabinet!
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Next up -- time to do something about those bulbs under the inserts.

Great thread, following! Let me know if you need any help (photo, part info).
I am in the same situation, working on JD. I heard that this pin is very dark, and seems it is true: I count only 15 GI lamp socket on lamp harness, and this contains the 4 sockets at slingshots.

#635 6 days ago

Wow love following your threads. That fathom looks amazing! Looking forward to the judge dredd.

I still want your paragon when your done with it!!

#636 6 days ago
Quoted from Jenniebear:

Do you have a price in mind? I have been looking for a Judge Dredd

No numbers in mind yet -- will have to give some thought to a price. . . or maybe even trade potential.

Quoted from Davi:

Great thread, following! Let me know if you need any help (photo, part info).
I am in the same situation, working on JD. I heard that this pin is very dark, and seems it is true: I count only 15 GI lamp socket on lamp harness, and this contains the 4 sockets at slingshots.

Thanks Davi -- my efforts to clean up and refurbish will likely be far inferior to yours. I couldn't help but notice Judge Dredd is at the top of Comet Pinball's home page and it looks to be utilizing spotlights. I've never used them before but JD might be a good candidate.?

Quoted from Mitch:

Wow love following your threads. That fathom looks amazing! Looking forward to the judge dredd.

Thanks Mitch. I hope not to disappoint!
Spent about an hour playing Paragon several days ago. I'd say the honeymoon is over but I'm not ready to push it out the door yet!

Not much progress today. Sitting here at the office on my day "off" while I wait for a call back from tech support for the practice computer software. Time that could be better spent removing and polishing ball guides!

#637 5 days ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Power Driver Board is out, this is my first look at the backside of this type/generation of board so I do not know if all the jumpers are "normal." The area I will be working on is at the lower right.
[quoted image]
The desoldering gun made quick work of heating/pushing out the header pins of J121. The plastic bits crumbled off before I started.
[quoted image]
For good measure I also removed the header pins at J120.
[quoted image]
New header pins soldered back in. Not my prettiest work, but I never claimed to be a professional.
[quoted image]
The front side looks a bit better. I replaced J117 as well -- it also had a toasty connector.
[quoted image]
I carefully put the board back in place and plugged in all the connectors. With high hopes I turned on the game and this is what I saw.
[quoted image]
If you are thinking it looks a lot like our original dark picture you are right. Our efforts did not correct the problem. . . or did they? Stay tuned to find out.

The jumpers are a way to beef up the small traces that contract/ expand due to heating up and cooling. Also helps reduce game resets.

#638 3 days ago

Forgot the camera today, so all I have is a cell phone pic of the playfield missing the metal ball guides.

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Just a few more things to remove before proceeding with a thorough clean and wax. I was not planning on removing every last piece from the playfield, but I am looking at the subway on the bottom side and it is filthy. . . more than likely it and the devastated Earth plastics will be coming off for sanitizing.

I am liking the removable boards that hold the bulbs. . . makes replacement much easier. Cleaning the inserts from the underside has made a noticeable difference in light/visibility too -- details to come!

#639 21 hours ago

I may have stated a fib earlier when declaring I had enough supplies to get thru sprucing up the Judge without new parts orders.

I had not accounted for the mini flipper rubber so an additional order was placed at Titan.
I needed a few more location specific flashers so an order was placed at Comet.
Finally, I decided to replace the flipper coils if I was going to give them a rebuild after I noticed the upper left coil was a bit crispy.

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An order was called in to PBR for coils. Now I should have enough parts to finish the job. At least I think I do.

Cleaning continues.
Removing the individual lamp boards is easy enough -- those are not bulbs with smoke tinted lenses!

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Looking at the area this board was removed from under the playfield. Will cleaning the inserts make a difference?

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You bet! Gives new meaning to "Blackout!"

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Disassembly continues with playfield parts top and bottom. All the plastic bits are removed including the subway. I shudder at the thought of a new, clean ball rolling thru it as is.

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Bulb replacement with LEDs is progressing. Don't "Judge" the finished product by this pic. . . just trying to give an idea of increased visibility.

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I keep reminding myself this game is not a restoration. . . just a good sprucing up. Trying not to get sucked in too much more, but I'm thinking I'll take the drop target mech apart to clean it later this week.

#640 20 hours ago

I just got a Judge this weekend. Been poking at it a bit and holy moly is it filthy. I think mine is as bad as yours looks. It's almost as if it hasn't had a good cleaning since it was built. I'm probably going to play mine a bit and figure out all the small issues, and then start tearing it down in a few weeks. I want to get a color DMD and upgraded sound installed, so once the parts come in for those projects is when I'll tackle that. Definitely looking forward to seeing your finished rebuild.

#641 7 hours ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

I may have stated a fib earlier when declaring I had enough supplies to get thru sprucing up the Judge without new parts orders.
I had not accounted for the mini flipper rubber so an additional order was placed at Titan.
I needed a few more location specific flashers so an order was placed at Comet.
Finally, I decided to replace the flipper coils if I was going to give them a rebuild after I noticed the upper left coil was a bit crispy.
[quoted image]
An order was called in to PBR for coils. Now I should have enough parts to finish the job. At least I think I do.
Cleaning continues.
Removing the individual lamp boards is easy enough -- those are not bulbs with smoke tinted lenses!
[quoted image]
Looking at the area this board was removed from under the playfield. Will cleaning the inserts make a difference?
[quoted image]
You bet! Gives new meaning to "Blackout!"
[quoted image]
Disassembly continues with playfield parts top and bottom. All the plastic bits are removed including the subway. I shudder at the thought of a new, clean ball rolling thru it as is.
[quoted image]
Bulb replacement with LEDs is progressing. Don't "Judge" the finished product by this pic. . . just trying to give an idea of increased visibility.
[quoted image]
I keep reminding myself this game is not a restoration. . . just a good sprucing up. Trying not to get sucked in too much more, but I'm thinking I'll take the drop target mech apart to clean it later this week.

Not often do you see a WPC flipper melt down.

#642 1 hour ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Power Driver Board is out, this is my first look at the backside of this type/generation of board so I do not know if all the jumpers are "normal." The area I will be working on is at the lower right.

Those jumpers look just like the picture recently in "The worst hacks" thread

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/worst-hackrepair-you-ever-saw/page/49#post-5427830

#643 50 minutes ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

No numbers in mind yet -- will have to give some thought to a price. . . or maybe even trade potential.

Thanks Davi -- my efforts to clean up and refurbish will likely be far inferior to yours. I couldn't help but notice Judge Dredd is at the top of Comet Pinball's home page and it looks to be utilizing spotlights. I've never used them before but JD might be a good candidate.?

Thanks Mitch. I hope not to disappoint!
Spent about an hour playing Paragon several days ago. I'd say the honeymoon is over but I'm not ready to push it out the door yet!
Not much progress today. Sitting here at the office on my day "off" while I wait for a call back from tech support for the practice computer software. Time that could be better spent removing and polishing ball guides!

Your method is much more economical and effective than mine, no doubt. My method is time consuming, slow, expensive... Sometimes I feel this pointless, but at the end of the day I have to feel satisfaction

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