can't wait for T2.....one of my favourite pins.

Good deal, I was hoping they would try the kickstarter again.

I'm still just flabbergasted that they are currently only committed to computers and handheld held devices, and leaving out actual gaming consoles.

The three current-gen consoles all require proprietary dev kits, which I'd guess they don't already have. Purchase and licensing of just one of each those would eat up most of their initial goal. (Although Nintendo may be giving theirs away soon.)

Cool. I just pledged 250 pounds / euros / whatevers. Looking for cabinet support.

I'm in. I picked up Big Race USA for the PS1 from a local game shop over the weekend and the physics are as good as everyone says they are. Cabinet support from day one was the deal maker for me, I'd love to have this on my virtual pincab.

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Woof. And here I am balking at the 90 pound level to get in on the betas.

I hope this happens and does cab support. I'm considering selling my beast of a virtual cab, just don't use it much anymore, so probably won't look into it myself, but still pulling for everyone who wants it.

Are they talking about cab support being different looking than just the portrait modes? Because I think this might just be a portrait mode that can fire up easily from a cabinet. I wonder because proper cabinet support would likely involve pre-distorting the graphics which I'm not sure if that is something they can do or want to do with this graphics engine. Personally I'll just rotate my 24" 16:10 monitor in a normal portrait mode which should work great. Works great for Zen Pinball but I hardly play it because those tables just don't seem to get my motor going. They look great though.

Any word on support for the PinDMD 2? That would be sweet.

They haven't talked to Russ about it.

I asked Adrian Barritt from Barnstorm Games about Pro Pinball support for the PinDMD 2 on Twitter and here's what he said:

"Yes, as it supports 16 shades I don't see why not. We're planning to put together our own cab, though we might use LCD instead of DMD."

https://twitter.com/ABarritt/status/363300678858309632

So, at least he's aware of it now and knows that some cab owners are using it.

That looks really great. I need to support this one, their games play so well.

I remember playing these on my ps1 and still have them. I liked how you change the table to worn and bot would play like a table that has been used. Good games

Just incredible. It looks real, & if it were real it would be the best light show in all of real pinball. These guys are always 1 step ahead with technology & their software. I mean, Timeshock was first released in 1997 & it still looks & plays amazing on my windows 7 pc, & at 1600x1200 resolution! I can't say this about any other game released 16 years ago.
So I expect more of the same here, some serious upgrades & a game that I'll still be playing when I'm an older pinhead 16 years from now on Windows 13, as I'm supporting the kickstarter for the upcoming Ultra Deluxe version in 2026.

This is so cool. I just got a video pin, so I can't wait.

The DMD reflection in the glass is sweet. In real life we all hate it... in PC pinball you need all those reflections to make it look real haha.

Real DMD support via the PinDMD device is in! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/500643708/pro-pinball-timeshock-the-ultra-edition-0/posts

Get those pledges in, people. I just bumped mine up to the $250 level thanks to this announcement. DO WANT.

Hopefully they'll still support DMD on a second screen too, in addition to this, for those of us that prefer the versatility of an LCD over a physical DMD.

Do the higher up donation things, give you the 1997 digital download as well? I never played their original games!

In the comments on Kickstarter they say they'll support LCD screens for DMD and 2 screen setups as well: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/500643708/pro-pinball-timeshock-the-ultra-edition-0/posts/563533#comments

That's a good question as it does not answer to that specifically for some donation levels. You could pledge a one pound donation for that 1997 download. This would make you a backer and you could ask that question on the PP kickstarter forum.

It says right at the bottom of the first tier: "This reward is included in all higher tiers too."

I played Timeshock and Big Race over the weekend again.... it is simply amazing how good these games are for their time. This will sound a bit silly, but I feel like I am playing some lost Williams classics...

If you have not played but want to try, you can buy them pretty cheap. 3 of the 4 run on my Vista pc (the web wont run for some reason, I think it is the oldest so something is not compatible).

ebay.com link: Gamefest Pinball Timeshock The Web Big Race PC New Box

Thanks!
I'll be throwing some money in I really want to play their old tables as well

I grabbed Big Race USA for the PS1 for like $4 at a local game shop. The physics are still the best out there, IMO.

The Pro Pinball developer said pledges giving alpha / beta access should get game in early October, otherwise December before everyone else. A good reason to upgrade maybe

"Exact Alpha testing dates will depend a bit on platforms. But early October should be possible for all the current platforms".

New Pro Pinball physics will handle ball spin. The programmer said this:
"Actually, the original version of Timeshock! did have a 2D spin model. BRUSA and FJ both had 3D spin models. Of course, to go one better the ULTRA version of Timeshock! we will have to create a brand new 4D spin model. "

How does a table like T2 get backed $50k in 30 days... yet Timeshock! which is a far better table & an all time great design that also looks better than any other pinball sim EVER created like you see in the vids above... with the best physics around... is past 30 days & not at 50k yet? 40k euros is like 52k US.

That baffles me as well. Maybe a lot of people haven't experienced Pro Pinball and are suspicious of whether the product will be any good. I think they need to demonstrate a few weighty balls bouncing around the table. You get a small taster in the glass off mode when the balls drop. Anyone who knows their games off old will know this will raise the bar so high you will get vertigo.

Isn't their light show outstanding? I can't wait to see it in reality.

As for FS T2 implementation - I personally prefer the VP T2 chrome version.

I cheer you on to success but only care about real pinball.
Promote pinball in any way, I just have no interest in anything digital.

Pat Lawlor is building Timeshock.

Thanks for the good luck wishes.

Although nothing beats real pinball agreed, having a full size cabinet myself with a playfield sized TV, full working back glass screen, real DMD, and flipper feedback the experience gets very close. Some new tables are done so incredibly well with HD graphics, great lighting, and all the right mechanical sounds, taps, ball rolling, springs, etc in the right places.

Where I live in France you can hardly find a table nowadays which is sad, but having a digital cabinet allows me to me to experience so many tables I can never find in real life particularly many if the old EMs.

The positive thing that seems to be coming from digital pinball is it is introducing so many more people to the great game particularly kids, and it is also re-igniting the interest for others who got lost in the video gaming world. And I know it has made people seek out real machines and even buy a real table. How strange is this, my kids played a digital pinball cabinet before they saw a real one

Having said all this I can understand though how some people cannot take to digital pinball.

True. There are numerous people on here that decided to buy real machines after being hooked on video pinball. It is a gateway to this hobby. I look at it this way, by promoting the video pins, you are helping get new people into the hobby by exposing pinball to a new audience.

"building"?
I haven't seen this posted online, who is making it with or for him?

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/propinball/

That was from the original ProPinball kickstarter. Pat isn't involved in this one, they're updating one of their tables from the 90's, Timeshock, for this one.

Yeah. I'm like you guys in trying to figure out why it seems to be taking so long for the Timeshock Kickstarter to reach its goal. Over at vpforums, Terminator 2 by tipoto shows 6,277 downloads while Timeshock struggles to get 900 backers---and most of those backers are for an iPad version for £5. And yet, my 1997 desktop Timeshock beats the pants off of VP T2 for my cab. After a few rounds of T2, I'm Hyperpinning to a different table, but I could play Timeshock for hours.

The new Timeshock is going to work on a cab, too. It makes no sense.

Not only that, but VPforums has had a huge ass ad on the front page for the Timeshock KS. It is those people who likely will be playing Pro Pinball the most but also clearly enjoy digital pinball & spend thousands of dollars on cabs. So they have disposable income for sure.
Then I think the people here do (or should) see the value in this project getting made.

1 testimonial... myself. I always liked pinball but around a decade ago it was kind of out of sight out of mind. Just didn't come across them much or pursue them. I had pinball sims before on PC or playstation, & they were just OK but I was always into trying something that looked promising. Then I stumbled onto Timeshock. Blew my mind how real it felt & how good it looked, & even at that time it could be considered an older game.

Then I immediately got the other 3 PP games, then I got sucked into VPM, cut to 2013 & I've owned a number of pinball tables with 4 in my basement right now & I'm on these forums every day. If Timeshock doesn't happen back then, the pinball hobby is a little smaller today.

Lastly, not only does VP not look or play as nice as Pro Pinball, but it can also be complicated, even some tables these days only made for cabinets & not desktop modes portrait or landscape. Pro Pinball leaves nobody out. Fire it up on a cabinet, portrait, or normal desktop mode. Or ipad, phone... things VP can't be played on.

There really should be more backers on this thing. I'm truly baffled. Maybe once these guys release Timeshock & just get a new product out there, the fanbase will grow & things will take care of themselves, but you gotta start somewhere & they need help at this point.

Why chime in then? Pro Pinball looks great and I imagine it will make.