pictures would help if ya got any

I agree need pics. This game can have wear on the balls drops at the inlanes, in front of the flippers, etc.

3kish

^^^...really....awesome... ..............Joey

Prices on this have been influx the past year or so. Anywhere between $2200 on the low end to $3500 for minty fresh example with chrome mods and a topper.

You put too much work into this game. T2 is great but anything over 2500 is a pretty hard sell. If you want to be optimistic on a super nice maybe start at 3000.

It's a DMD Williams and it's a good theme. You can't even really touch a DMD data east for less than 18-2k these days.

I'm thinking $2500-@2700?

That's cool. T2 is just one of those games where I think people too often expect to get their mod money back and it's an uphill battle.

I bought mine for 1500 with switch matrix and coil problems one wear spot and one broken plastic, if it was modded and fixed like it is now I probably would have paid 2400 or 2500for it.

2400 is fair IMO.

$2500ish now that I see pics. Nice example!

So this is a forsale/auction thread.

Personally, I wouldn't pay anywhere near that amount for a T2, but maybe someone else would.

It would have to be one of the nicest examples ever, but I like this game enough to pay that for the right one.

You have to be really careful when listing things on a game. "Replacing coil sleeves," "fixing switches" "I fixed a pop bumper" etc, do NOTHING for the value of a game. Stuff that's "working 100% isn't an increase in price, it's the baseline to drop under. I wouldn't pay anymore monies fo someone shopping it either, but to someone maybe that's an extra hundy. "The playfield isn't a shithole" isn't much of a selling point either.

Around here T2 is an $1800 game +/-. So you have a base of 1800,
Pros
Shopped added LEDs/new front cab decal (this is no increase for me either)
Cons
The speaker doesn't work, and the head is/was damaged.

So maybe 2k? I guess $2,100 if the buyer likes Mirror Blades. I also don't know why "super bands" is a selling point.

EDIT: Depending on your area prices of course.

As TheLaw says, all that work should be a given already if you're selling a shopped game. It's not an "extra". The state and condition of the game will determine its price.

1) Cosmetic condition (Does all the artwork look nice on the cab, playfield, and translite? Any fade/wear/scratches/damage?)
2) Operational condition (does everything work? Or are there still a few problems?)
3) The state of the game (Has it been fully shopped, lazily cleaned, or is it fresh off route?)

I'm in favor of more information rather than less. I'd rather someone detail everything done to the game - what was fixed, replaced, cleaned, etc.

The issue of how these things each affect price is up to potential buyers.

You have a lot of fallacies going on here. I'm going to do my best to explain myself as a competent pinball buyer, but seeming how you took some offence to my post, even though we came upon the exact same price, this probably won't mean much to you. Hopefully it does, or someone else.

1. You "fixing a switch" could be you resoldering a wire...if you think I'm going to pay you to rewire a switch, you're crazy. If you "replaced" the switch, what was wrong with the old one? What's your competency level in fixing things? Did you buy a whole new switch when I could have just fixed it myself in a couple of minutes? Why am I paying you for parts for something I could have fixed myself...hell, with parts I have myself? Fixing something now, has no relation, let me say that again, fixing something now has no relation to how long it will last. That's a strange thing for a lot of people to grasp, but it's true. You replace a coil today, it will last for 50 years, or a transistor you didn't replace dies and kills that coil. No way to tell what will happen.

2. I'm guessing this is were you started to take things personally, I apologize, and you shouldn't, it's business.
Your labor isn't worth anything to me. Now very true it may be to someone who cannot fix things, but I'm not that person. Replacing coil sleeves isn't a hard job, and probably wasn't needed everywhere. They cost 30 cents and I throw a new one in when needed, no big deal. People showing mw they care aboot a game or whatever that is doesn't mean anything either. If someone has a HOU T2 and rubbed it with a diaper for 30 years doesn't mean anything more to me than some operator smoking a cigar wiping it down with Naptha, condition is king, it's all that matter. People's agendas do not factor in.

3. I see there's no middle ground on this issue which is weird. You act like every T2 is an old ass game sitting around in an alley for 30 years. Where would I be buying a T2 with 25 year old stock flipper rubber? Makes no sense. Why are most games not shopped? How much is it worth to me, as a buyer, for you to do that job? It could save me some time, so like I said maybe a hundo for your time. You're taking off some ramps and cleaning a game; it's not that tough. Takes some time, and it adds $100.

4. We came in right around the same amount.

EDIT: More things subtract form your base price than add to it. Now, if you're PF is really nice, that could be a couple hundy more, but your pictures don't show that so I cannot judge that.

No shit

But this right here suggests that a seller should be listing all of his meaningful "sweat equity" in the game. If some buyers are going to care about it, he should list it regardless of whether it means anything to you or ForceFlow.

I'm with westofrome, the more info in an advert the happier I am, even if he's listing stuff that's of no great value to me.

5. Yeah it's not necessary but not any worse than all the other extra bullshit people put in ads like "only selling because my astrologist told me to."

Sure sure, diff'rent buyers diff'rent things are important. He can list everything he wants and more...I'm just saying the longer the list, does not equal more monies. You can trick yourself as you go on and start thinking "jesus I did a ton of work here...this has to add value!" Well the thing is it doesn't always.
At the end of the day, you have an LED'd T2 with a busted speaker and a damaged head with mirror blades, and crappy dark pictures...know what I'm saying?

EDIT: The more info the better you say and it's hard to disagree with that! But at a certain(t) point you're just talking to talk; or listing to list. When saying "all plastics are not broken..." I mean what does that mean? It implies that the plastics usually are broken, so you're slyly adding something that is not an addition. Why not say "legs are not rusted," or "drop target works great?"
Sure these are things you could know...but they're also things that are implied on a basic sale to begin with.

Here's an ad I put up recently for a game I refurbished.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/archive/34303

I listed pretty much everything I did to it to show that it was gone through thoroughly. Some people want to know every detail, some people don't care and just want to know the condition of it as it sits.

Even though I spent an incredible amount of time bringing that game back from the dead, a buyer won't care how much money I sunk into it or how much sweat equity I added to it. And that's fine--nothing wrong with that.

If a game is working as it should and if the condition is acceptable, then it will fetch fair market value. If a game has issues, then there will be a few deductions on the price.

I'll sell mine for $2900.....topper....2 bottles of booze...!!!............Joey

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I'll take the booze. Keep the pin.

I really hope we are not at the point ttat t2's like this are 2500-3k? Just 6 months ago I passed on quite a few less than 2k ...if these are worth near 3k now than my bsd, congo and tz are worth much more than I thought. Soon there won't be any dmd pins below 3-4k which makes it hard for new people to get in the hobby

I think your game looks pretty good, but realistically $2500 is about what it's worth, and I don't think it would sell fast. They made a lot of them. A pretty nice one locally has been sitting on CL for quite some time at $2500.

It's a decent T2. Are these old pictures? You have insert wear & the plastics are totally yellowed, which is common of course...the main thing that makes me think is you have an old filthy rubber you didn't change, the game is dirty with ball trails in inlanes, the dirt around star posts, and all your posts have caked in crud at the bottom. These are probably old pics before you shopped it, because if you're looking to increase the value by shopping it, that's not a good job

There's always hurricane and premier games!

A clean, working game sells for more money than a dirty, broken one.

That's where the "parts and labor" value increase comes from.

This isn't complicated.

It actually is more so than you'd think, which is why these threads happen all the time.

Has no one pointed out you are missing the Skynet Command Center plastic over the entrance to the right ramp?

Oh shit.

Sub $2,000 game.

Not until we see some new pics

I guess it was shortsighted on my part to assume the pics in your price check post were current.

Anyway, since you asked for it I figure it is kosher to also point out you do in fact have a broken plastic at the right entrance to the skull.

Oh shit!

-$1500