Imo dollar for dollar he is getting the better deal in that trade

Yeah. Isn't a modded ST Pro mid 4's? Congo is like low 3's. No?

Few nice congos i know of sold for 3500-4500 depending on condition and upgrades. Good luck as its a very fun pin that took me 7 months to find when i was looking years ago

Watch for the top of the volcano on congo to be cracked or missing a piece. The upkicker welds break and should be replaced with the upgraded mantis one.

mods are largely worthless unless the other person really wants the ones you have.

Game for Game, I would take Congo over STpro every day.

Congo is 3500 if decent and playing well but prices seem to continue up. Hard to find a nice one.
ST pro is 4200 and going down and easy to find.

JMO.

I would sell the ST and buy the congo outright to save me some money. Thing is... is that worth the added hassle to you and is he willing to sell the congo outright?

NO!

That's an offer I would take

Owned both, SternTrek > Congo

this is it...Agree on prices, you can't find Congo, you can get ST anywhere...plus Congo is the greatest game in the history of flipper hobbies

Ask the guy for $500 cash too

Me too. Congo > SternTrek

Nice Congos are hard to find, prices have been going up to near Whitewater prices.

ST will pull in the 4's. Congos can range from 3-3.5 for the most part. Guy is getting a better deal.

CFTBL is a better trade, but a nice one pulls low 4's unless you have high dollar mods in it. Agree with Whynow that mods usually don't increase value, but the screen replacement for the hologram puts a lot of people's mind at ease for this one.

Of course he would. Sounds like he is trying to take advantage of you. I think he should be kicking in at least $1000, maybe more.

Lots of price pumpers in this thread. Be sure to look at collections of those giving you advice on "value". Congo is not a 3.5-4k game.

I own one. Have well over 3k in it--all new ramps/plastics/window/rebuilt everything. I'm not selling so no price pump here. Just look at the pinside archives and you'll have the answer....stop the unfounded accusations chief.

players condition sold by one of the cheapest sellers on Pinside >>3150
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-congo-williams-1995-2005

That is a pretty good bottom for a player machine.

You don't need to be selling a game to price pump.

Gwaxt is a good seller, and HE refers to this one as "player's condition" but I feel that others would not use that term for a machine with this description:

"playfield in very nice shape. no wear spots. inserts look good.

cabinet is in nice shape, colored cabinet w/minimal to zero fade. A couple bumps and bruised associated with a routed machine.

Game is currently being shopped, w/new window, leds, rubbers, etc."

Hmm look here and also there are none for sale and its pretty hard to find one especially a nice one.....Screenshot_20161012-164449 (resized).png

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Also have to say it sold in 1 day.

These days it is, if it's nice. As with all pins that used to be "cheap", once they've all been snatched up and become keepers in collections, the price reflects what an owner is willing to take to pry it away from them. Only 2,129 were made...how many of those have survived and are in the U.S.? 1000 give or take?

Hey, I wish things were like they were a decade ago...Congos were $1000 all day long, no one wanted a game based on a shitty movie...I got mine 3 or 4 years ago for $2300.....but as inventory has shrunk and new game prices have gone up, a game like Congo can be $3-4k and seem like a bargain to someone in 2016.

"Asking price" and that doesn't really prove your point that this is a 35-4500 game. It's not. OK, I've said my peace, exiting thread. Carry on.

I know two people that recently sold their Congos for over 4k. East coast parties.

Lol .... i personally know of one that sold for 5k very very nice and loaded.....a decent one for 4k and i have around 4k in mine after restoring it and have offers over 4k but its not leaveing bc its to difficult to find o and its a great playing pin..... thats just a few and u will hear many sales from others that are the same .

I have a nice Congo but it will take $4500 to rip it out of my paws. No sayers should just go buy a GB.

My point is literally every person defending these prices in this thread owns a Congo.

OK OK seriously I'll leave the thread now. Sorry I ruined your black panther party.

That should tell you what a great game it is When so many love it and also have experience with buying it...

well, sometimes they know what they are talking about.

Sorry, but congo is one of those games based on simple supply/demand that has gone way up and continues to rise.

I wont ever sell mine. Just too much good and unique game play.

Dont be mad just go away! You know you want one lol.

Thats bc we have experience buying them....i searched for 7 months and most were selling to high for my taste (over 3500 almost 2 years ago)and price has went up on everything since.....its not necessarily bc we own one.

I will put it in terms even idiots can understand. I have owned close to 100 different titles and Congos fast & fun gameplay beats them all and this is why the other titles are long gone but have kept Congo for 6 years now.

Pricing the 90's stuff is not so simple. To a collector, a pristine HUO or very nicely restored 90's pin is usually worth double the price of a beater. That's a broad range. For Congo, probably $2500-$5000. There is no specific value.

My advice for the OP is that his ST is probably worth at least $4500, so it's really not a fair trade unless the Congo is truly exceptional, pristine, fully-restored, etc. Odds are it's not. Maybe 1 in 20 will be that nice.

Exactly! Not getting mine for less than 4,500 either. That is if I would ever consider selling.

What's your point? Are any of us Congo owners SELLING our Congos? No. I told you what I paid for mine and I have zero plans on selling it...so, I don't care what they sell for now. I'm just telling you what they DO sell for now based on what I've seen. We're giving you facts.

If we're so wrong, where are all these cheap Congos? Your move. Facts. Don't have them? Then, yeah, you should go lol.

?!?!?!?!? WTF!?!?

Or...or.....OR, these people HAVE BOUGHT A CONGO SO THEY KNOW THE FREAKIN PRICE YOU %#$%#%#$#$

Read the #^%$^$ archive prices.

OK, I've said my peace, carry on

It is what it is! You keep on paying big money for the newest Stern out ,and find its not as great as you thought. This is why a solid classic, Williams, Bally will continue being sought after.

3500-4500

Totally agree... i was on the stern kick but recently sold or traded a few of them and got afm and mb and man they are just better to play and just plain more fun. Congo is veey fun also as are the majority of wpc 95 pins...hell most b/w are pretty dam good. To bad they went to pin2000 and then quit the pin business....

I agree with timtim 3500-4500, most owners will be at the high end due to rarity and fun factor & of course condition.

Exactly what was said here
I have owned one for about 12 years now and it would be the last one to leave and I own 21 pins and I have some new sterns too. I would say around 3500 for a decent one now days
Good luck

Have you tracked your posting history on how many times you've said this? I swear, man, you're like Panzer with the "toys" comments. I almost think you're getting commission every time you let us know you got AFM and MB .

I'm just ribbing you FWIW. Glad you enjoy the games that much...Like...THAT..much .

I own Congo so I'd say 6500 on a conservative estimate.
But no really, I cannot put a value on it as I do not want to sell it yet.

Yep so much im trying to get the hep afm but its not looking good (no transport) but im very happy with one i have. At first mb was just ok compared to afm but its really growing on me after dialing it in and setting it up much more difficult. Now just gotta decide on next title which may be a mm, ss or maybe tom. Really like horror /sci fi themes so i think ss may be next.

His point is that if you own a Congo you have a vested interest in its value going up. Even if you are not currently selling, you would obviously want it's value increase. It's true, some people have a very difficult time being objective. That being said, his argument that only people in this thread that value Congo over $3500 are people that own it is invalid. I don't own one, I would like to buy one, and I believe that the price range mentioned in this thread is pretty fair. I would pay in that range for sure, dependent upon condition of course.

OP, just recognize that pin owners naturally over-value and buyers naturally under-value. Usually it balances itself out, but it seems like you are getting some pretty good advice from everyone.

I don't think you know what that means...

Well, I promise I'm being objective. I really don't care what Congos are worth, since I have one already and have no plans to sell. If I ever do sell it, as long as it's at least the $2300 I paid for it, I'll be happy. If it was a bit less, it wouldn't bother me. Anyway - owner opinions are irrelevant ...the prices people are posting are based on the reality of what Congo sells for.

HIPPO's , choose wisely!

Pinballz in Austin has one for sale, $3k. Plays well enough for league.

Is that the one that's been on ebay forever? If so its pretty rough condition. I was getting desperate at one point after 6 months of looking and was gonna get it but finally found one ..

I bet its a real beaut!