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Stern Electronics Club (1977-1984).


By Mitch

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Post #227 Various gate tips. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #269 Hi quality thoughts from Cotton about inlanes. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #279 Playfield touch up tips. Posted by klr650 (1 year ago)

Post #309 Stern inserts suggestions. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #310 Seawitch gate flap solution. Posted by frunch (1 year ago)

Post #1033 Bally drop targets on the classic stern, even mix and match. Posted by cottonm4 (8 months ago)

Post #1958 Star Gazer podcast episode link. Posted by DRDAVE (77 days ago)


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#694 10 months ago
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#698 10 months ago
Quoted from SuperPinball:

nice to have a second one for reference when restoring. Sometimes pictures are worth 999 words but its the one missing word that you really need.

I have two complete games. 4 backglasses total and a spare full populated playfield and another apron on top of that.

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#701 10 months ago
Quoted from atariaction:

Looking good Jim! You know you want a Tiger Rag!!!
P.S. Good recent interview on Slam Tilt (I think it was slam tilt, I listen to so many podcasts and interviews I lose track)
Good luck collecting all classic Sterns!

Thanks

#703 10 months ago
Quoted from statictrance:

+1 to everyone who pointed me in the direction for board replacements in Big Game. These we're pretty easy to install and light years easier than trying to rejigger the original metal brackets with new sockets. Plus, easy access going forward
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Good decision.

My big game last night needed some love

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#709 10 months ago
Quoted from atariaction:

That board is something else. Pretty sure my power board on my big game is just at toasty but I have a replacement board if needed when I bust out that project!

Yup. Put a new one in from Steve young last night. That was easy. Rewiring all those connectors was a nightmare.

#728 10 months ago

Yes. Pinball and stingray both always have the 10k lamp on. Same rom

#731 10 months ago
Quoted from wiredoug:

anyone got a viper playfield in the parts bin? or a turret mech?
mate here just found one with the turret motor mech missing. going to be quite a challenge to find it seems

Good luck on that! I have a pretty immaculate viper and keeping that much operational is a chore.

#733 10 months ago
Quoted from wiredoug:

yeah it will be a challenge .. next time you have it open can you see if the motor is a multi products one? the stern part number doesnt mean anything now but hopefully i can find what it really is and scratch build the rest

I’ll be there tonight throwing a big Christmas party. If I get a chance I’ll snap some pictures tonight. It’s a crazy mech with big sweeper arms. Almost like an EM stepper unit. A real pain to adjust.

#736 10 months ago

Any of these help at all?

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#758 9 months ago
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#777 9 months ago

Diving into lightning next. Definitely say awhile. Missing many board. Anyone have a vsu-100 speech board? It’s the only one I’m worried about. I think I have a lead on one but it’s sketchy

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#778 9 months ago

And that driver board is useless...

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#782 9 months ago

Yeah. The more you look the more you see missing. Q14 and on are all robbed too. I’ve got plenty of these boards kicking around anyways. It’s the one I’m least worried about.

#785 9 months ago

Even the displays were robbed for components.

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#786 9 months ago

Start stripping the topside. More work to go still.

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#791 9 months ago
Quoted from semicolin:

Wow, yep, you're right. Missed that. The more I stare at it the more fun it looks to fix. Ship it North! I was just in Meriden last week, shame everything was closed.
In case anyone needs help finding 2N3440, you can use it or its brother, the 2N3439:
Digikey: https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/central-semiconductor-corp/2N3440/2N3440CS-ND/4806865
Marco: https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/2N3440
GPE: https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=2N3439

Send me a message next time your in the area. I’m always willing to open up if I’m around.

#792 9 months ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

I have a speech board for lightning. PM me if it can help you.

Think I’ve got one now but will let you know if it doesn’t work.

#797 9 months ago
Quoted from atariaction:

Man you are on a roll!!!

Hot hand, dracula and seawitch playfield swap all in the queue right after!

#802 9 months ago
Quoted from semicolin:

Thanks! We were just down for a couple of days: 500 mile road trip to pick up a smartball table in East Haven, and to get our fix we stopped in at Barcade in New Haven. Our big mistake was staying at the Red Lion in Cromwell. What a disaster. Maybe my favourite CT moment: Ate my first hot buttered lobster roll ever at Sam the Clam - now that was something! I might come back just for that.

I work in Branford. Right next to east haven. Bummer we didn’t cross paths.

#807 9 months ago
Quoted from atariaction:

I learned something today that I thought I would share. I imagine some of you know this already but if you are using on altek board in a Stern 200 game you must change the clock setting jumpers over to the left side or else the machine does not play right. everything is slow. That was new to me and fixed my problem perfectly!

Ive switched over to using the weebly boards...

#810 9 months ago
Quoted from statictrance:

I ran into that trouble shooting an original MPU-200 with Split Second... Was switching the Altek in from a strikes n spares to test some functionality.
Also made the move to Weebly. Great product, better price, and great support. I had some weird sound issues with his MPU that he helped me shoot through
tl;dr - I originally ordered it for a Big Game, but ended up testing it in F2K... there was a trace that wasn't populated that is needed for voice on MPU-200 games, and he offered me full shipping costs to return the board for a new one or to help me do the trace. I said board work was no issue and he returned with detailed pictures/instructions anyone could have followed. Highly recommended, solid dude.

Is that trace only populated if you tell him it’s for a game with speech? Or was that something in the last that has changed?

#828 9 months ago
Quoted from barakandl:

I fixed this missing trace around June 2018, all boards past version eight or so will have this track and will work with Stern Speech. If you are unsure look by the J4 plug. If there is a pin silk screened labeled LAMP INT then it is ready for Stern games with speech. If the silk screen print LAMP INT is not by J4 then a jumper will need to be made for Stern Speech games.
When I originally did the board I saw "LAMP INTERRUPT" on the mpu200 schematic and though "huh, no reason the lamp board interrupts the MPU so I can leave this out". That was a mistake and the lamp interrupt is what triggers the speech card to read the lamp address/data to play speech. Only effected the few Stern games with speech.

Great to know. I think I’m around 16 classic sterns right now. Gotta be rocking 8-10 of these boards at this point. Keep 47 games going at The Sanctum too I’ve started keeping some of these on hand for quick swap outs

-Jim

#833 9 months ago
Quoted from jkashani:

I am having a problem with the right sling on my lightning pinball. It works in test but does not work during game play. Sometimes it may ghost work and activate when not struck by the ball. I am not a repair person and any information will be conveyed to my pinball repairman, so forgive me if I cant answer any questions as to what has been tried already but we believe that it may be a faulty cap.

Sounds like sling switch is gapped too close. Possibly touching. If a vibration happens(flipper etc) it causes the switch to open momentarily and fire again. Check that first. Check the switch edges in switch test.

#834 9 months ago

barakandl Any chance of making SB-100 sound boards too? Always a pain.

#840 9 months ago
Quoted from barakandl:

Chances are good. Right now time to work on new projects is limited. I am hand assembling everything still and I can hardly keep up with what I am currently doing.
For the SB100 I finished the schematic about a year ago and did the board layout over 3-6 months back. It is a rough layout that needs tweaking for sure. Also pretty sure there is going to be some surprises and revisions needed. There was so many schematic errors in the original SB100 drawings I am not sure I have found them all.
For those taking notes... here at the errors on the SB100 schematic identified so far (some of these discovered by others and I thank them).
- Q1 emitter (top of C18) is connected to +5V VDD (schematic does not show any 5V connection)
- U6 Q output is pin 3, not pin 13 (the flip flop in the sound effect section)
- Pin 25 on the J1 connector (reset line) is not connected to anything (rev C-1)
- U19 (LM556) power pin is not connected to VCC, it's connected to +5V VDD (from the 78L05)
- R11 power is connected to +5V VDD
-inconsistent 5v labeling
-4013 U9A P6 "channel one set" not drawn anywhere. Probably gnd (yes?)
-U6 is connected to +VDD, not +VCC
-R3 and R7 are connected to +VDD
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This is great news to hear. If I can be of any help let me know. Plenty of test games here for that one.

#845 9 months ago
Quoted from SuperPinball:

John please make Magic Backglasses. There are so many of us that desperately need them.

I have a flawless magic glass and a flatbed scanner if needed for the art.

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#954 8 months ago
Quoted from SuperPinball:

I'm not a pro but i made up some graphics for a waterslide you are welcome to. Just paint the section over with the various colors, I recommend a good thick oil based cabinet paint like corrostop or even a rustoleum, then cut out waterslides and lay on top. Give it a shot or two of clear and you are good to go.[quoted image]

Great resource. Thanks for those! How do we get that flagged for a key post in here?

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#1012 8 months ago

Awesome!!! Such a good game. Can’t wait.

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#1070 8 months ago

Need a picture of a lightning rectifier board connectors. Been tracing a vsu-100 speech problem and traced it to no gi power to board and it goes straight back to rectifier. Someone put the wire in they keying pin plug. No idea why. I believe it should be pin 11. Want a confirmation.

Also a note schematics show tp1 as +5v to2 as gnd and tp3 as -10v. Mine is not that way. Tp1 is gnd and tp2 is +5v

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#1072 8 months ago
Quoted from LOTR_breath:

I don't have a pic but I checked the schematic. Yes, J3 pin 11 is the GI bus, same electrically as J3 pin 10 and J1 pin 5.

Yeah that’s what I read but I figured I’d see if I could see a pic since the schematics already let me down once on this thing and made me waste two days

#1081 7 months ago

Update to that lightning. Moved the gi wire over to pin 11. Got my speech going. Tilt wiring all jacked up so I fixed all of it. Still no working tilt switch. Would trigger coin chute #2. Pulled my hair tracing bad diodes or caps. Then traced schematics and return for tilt switch is suppose to be pin 15 on j3. It was plugged into pin 3.

I’ve never encountered multiple wires moved to wrong places in a connector like this before. Baffles me as to why anyone would of done this.

Slowly getting this thing back to its glory. It’s been a long journey. Boy was it nasty.

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#1203 7 months ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

Whoever bought the big game I may have a playfield for you. Feel free to reach out.

Hey didn’t I talk to you about that playfield awhile ago?

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#1405 6 months ago

Finishing up mine...

This was before the final sanding and coats

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#1475 5 months ago

I’ve been busy...

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#1486 5 months ago

That’s the third lectronamo I’ve brought back to life this year. First one with the shorter cab. Other two were the same.

#1489 5 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

Crazy so mines not the only one.
Want to sell me the ali

Nope. Only 8 more sterns left to go...

But between a couple friends on myself we’ve found 3 Ali’sin the past couple weeks. One will be for sale at Allentown likely

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#1528 5 months ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

I think I know someone who would like your Split Second glass if you're looking to sell any of it.

Mayfair has them.

#1529 5 months ago
Quoted from getadam:

Yup, but have triple checked the connecters. (and this is the only problem we're experiencing.)
Yes, the switch in the shooter lane registers with a ball but regardlessane, the coil keeps firing every 9 seconds regardless if there's a ball in shooter lane or not.
Any other ideas?

Shooter lane switch. When ball release fires of the shooter lane switch isn’t triggered it will try again....and again...

Check the switch in switch test and make sure a ball in the shooter lane actually closes the switch. Nineball trough, shooter lane and lock switches have to be exactly precise and dialed in or you’ll have all sorts of issues. The game is a chore for me to keep on location and in my tournaments for sure.

-Jim

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#1555 5 months ago

Need a lockdown bar. Couldn’t come across one at Allentown. Going on a trident.

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#1575 5 months ago
Quoted from fisherdaman:

I have a coworker with an Ali Pinball machine with a dirty playfield. Can he use Novus to clean the playfield or should he use something else?

Novus 1 for a basic wipe down. I then usually lightly magic eraser with isopropyl alcohol. After that to clean the magic eraser slurry I take a tiny buffer pad in a cordless drill with novus 2 and hit it good with that. Cleans the slurry and brings a nice sheen back to original lawyer finish. Finish off with quality 100% carnival wax.

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#1583 5 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

Novus 2 is fine, I never use magic eraser these games had almost no clear to begin, magic eraser will take what's left off and make it way easier for the paint to be damaged.

Don’t go to town with the magic eraser. Any tool is dangerous in the wrong hands. It’s great for getting out ground in stuff. I do this to every classic stern I’ve taken in and then they go to my location and get played every week. They stay in the same condition from that point forward with good balls and regular waxing on location.

#1584 5 months ago
Quoted from wolffcub:

lol carnival wax..... it will be the best show you have even seen once you play your next game.

Haha. Silly autocorrect. Carnuba!!

#1598 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I just completed a mod on my Catacomb I"d like to share.
One of the items I do not like about my classic Sterns are the cabinet brackets the play field rests on. Whenever you need to lean the play field on onto the back box there is a lot of jerking it around in order to clear those brackets at the back.
I have been collecting cab brackets from the old Gottliebs when I get a chance.
They work like a charm. The play field lifts easily and slides back and forth smoothly. If you stumble onto any trashed Gottlieb cabs you might try to salvage these brackets and put them to good use.
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That’s no catacomb playfield

#1600 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

That Hot Hand play field is my hanger queen.
The Catacomb play field is at the beauty shop getting some 555 lamp boards from https://pinballreplacementparts.com/collections/all?page=3 installed. And my order of Comet LEDs just arrived yesterday. [quoted image]

Chris is a good guy. Great boards. So needed. Had the pleasure of working with him this summer teching st pinburgh/ReplayFx

#1625 4 months ago

Will people please stop perpetuating the myth that some random pitch number of 15.946 degrees makes their game mean and hard. Sure maybe the ball is faster rolling back. But it’s slower going up! And you lose all the side to side action so your drains on the outlanes decrease. It also makes the game easy to trap balls. There is a good medium and not enough pitch makes a game play like dog doo.

#1631 4 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

Going up slower is BS rebuild your flippers. As for it being harder it definitely is. I host league nights here with alot of really good players and nobody has rolled my meteor and everyone says how well it plays.
If your ever at replay fx the biggest and best tournament take a look at how they set up their leg levelers.

I tech for ReplayFx. I run a location with 50 games. My games play perfectly. Yeah my meteor can be rolled on occasion. That doesn’t mean it plays bad.

#1636 4 months ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

I would agree with this on most games except Meteor. The playfield design has no side to side action and the single pop bumper provides no real benefit at any angle. If I didn’t tell you the angle on mine you’d just think it’s fast and that’s it.
On the other hand, people have told me to jack my Quicksilver up to 6.5 degrees. I tried that, but found the best play was when the slope was between 5.5 and 6 degrees.
I also tried Xenon at 7 degrees to make it harder, but found it too hard to make it up the ramp and the pop bumper action was not as good. 6-6.5 made it much better.
I have put a lot of science into where I set playfield slope.

Xenon proves the ball is slower. Too hard to go up the ramp. More pitch equals slowing down a rising ball.

My meteors somewhere around 6.5 and it is plenty fast. Sensitive slings give plenty of side to side action. No rubber posts on the outlanes. Center post rubber is in because pulling a Kirk post is blasphemy.

#1688 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Crap. i'm going blind. Maybe I should chance my name to Tommy
New count =29 Add the unit Vec-tor pointed out = 30.

I have one not listed anywhere. Too busy shopping and setting up games to keep my list up to date.

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#1709 4 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

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My Ali glass was sooooo bad. I sealed it until I could get a new one. Never seen triple thick bleed ink like this...

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#1711 4 months ago
Quoted from vec-tor:

Should have done a mist coat first....

Did. Glass was ruined anyways. The bleeding on the back didn’t affect the horrendous front that much

Just thought it was interesting. All the glasses I’ve sealed I’d never seen that before.

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#1718 4 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

What's that one.

Wonder who can figure it out first...

#1722 4 months ago
Quoted from Xtraball:

Cue! Where the hell you find that?

Out by the cape.

#1724 4 months ago

The lady who owned it brought it out here from Chicago. She bought it off a neighbor there years and years ago. Wish I knew who that neighbor was.

#1726 4 months ago
Quoted from Xtraball:

I got all kinds o questions. Ever play one prior? How’d you find out the game was available...

Never played one before. (Who has?). It’s a crazy piece of history as I look at it. Still driving back with it. I’ll have to dive deeper on gameolay but my initial take is sorta like gottlieb doing the three back street level games this is sterns throwback to the wacky flipperless/real early EMs. It’s pretty much just a nudging game.

I think it’ll be a nice addition to The Sanctum for fun dollar games. So it’ll be in the public for everyone to play.

#1730 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

You are going to be number 1 !
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Wonder how many of the 6 still exist?

Luckily this one is preserved beautifully.

#1732 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Good Question. The pics on Pinside Gallery had to come from somewhere. Pinball Owners website has none.

I’ll get new pictures for ipdb and such and a rom dump once I get this together and cleaned a little but it’s not going to take much.

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#1735 4 months ago
Quoted from Gott_Lieb:

Wow! Nice pick up! Is that a magnet in the center of the PF?
Jim

Yes. Magnet randomly whips the ball around when it rolls over it.

#1739 4 months ago
Quoted from Mitch:

Could you post a video on Facebook or you tube once you get it running?

Yeah. I’ll get a stream of it at some point. Next couple weeks are extremely busy with pintastic and rubbing the Stern Pro circuit event there.

Back on the road to get some more classic sterns!

#1747 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Is all of the wiring as clean looking as that J-1 connector wiring you are holding up?

Yup. Inside stuff squeaky clean.

Driving back with today’s haul now. Ive been on the road pretty much 23 hours straight at the moment. Had a 4 hour nap stop at home on between.

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#1751 4 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I see a Catacomb in your SUV. I know that green color from anywhere. What kind of shape is that in?
And .....how come these kinds of package deals never happen out here on the prairie? Where the buffalo used to roam.

SUV. Good one. GTI. Does way more work than most suvs on the road ever do.

Catacomb is great except one flaw....

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#1752 4 months ago

This one has been a real haul for me today 350 mile one way through NY/NJ/PA. Or the most enjoyable Trek. Been working this and cue for awhile. Glad they both worked out at the same time.

Came with a few extra boards

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#1853 3 months ago

Shining up nice finally. Took extra elbow grease on this one. Wrong flipper bushings caused some bad flipper drag from previous years. Time for some wax now.
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#1856 3 months ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Get them out of there please! Is that a type 1 bushing ona type 2 flipper on the right?

Obviously it’s coming out. I’ll know exactly what they did when I pull it out.

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#1992 71 days ago
Quoted from Methos:

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Did you buy that from my buddy James in Mass?

#2016 67 days ago
Quoted from HHaase:

Lectronamo plastics are boxed up and heading to CPR this week, looks like mine were good enough to make the cut and get in the queue!
-Hans

If I knew they were needed I have 4 playfields and put together a couple perfect sets for a couple complete games. Would of gladly passed them to cpr.

#2021 66 days ago
Quoted from wolffcub:its interesting to see CPR interested in Lectronamo after i always got people joking with me as to why i resorted on when its such a non sought after game. My plastics are mint other than 2 minor scratches on 2 pieces. A back glass would be a cool thing to reproduce.

Agreed. Everyone grew an appreciation for it once they got to play my restored one I put in my location.

Even had some sweet Reese rails made for it.

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#2061 58 days ago

Anyone want a free catacomb Backglass?

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#2091 54 days ago
Quoted from bluespin:

I have a Nugent in storage that is missing the lockdown bar receiver. There is a local collector offering a free receiver, and thinks it’s for early classic Sterns but isn’t sure. Before I do the three hour round trip can someone confirm that the receiver in the picture will work in my Nugent? Thanks[quoted image]

Doesn’t look like a stern receiver to me.

#2133 49 days ago
Quoted from FalconPunch:

I have a total project Stargazer that is going to get restored. I'm trying to minimise the cost of getting the cab done. And the guy who is going to do it is going to scan the cab to produce the stencils.
Its way cheaper if someone has the stencil file. Does anyone have one they can part with?
Please message me

Why not just buy the stencil kit so you known it’ll work perfect and easily?

http://pinballpimpstencils.com/?page_id=1499

#2158 46 days ago

Ali X
Big Game X
Catacomb X
Cheetah
Cue X
Dracula X
Dragonfist X
Flight 2000 X
Freefall
Galaxy X
Hot Hand X
Iron Maiden
Lectronamo X
Lightning X
Magic X
Memory Lane
Meteor X
Nine Ball X
Nugent
Orbitor 1
Pinball X
Quicksilver
Rawhide X
Seawitch X
Split Second X
Star Gazer
Stars X
Stingray X
Trident X
Viper X
Wild Fyre X

#2185 41 days ago

Check the mpu for the flashes first. Solid light/no light or x number of flashes starts the diagnostic path.

It honestly could be as simple as a blown 5 amp solenoid fuse not getting past the 6th flash

#2193 40 days ago
Quoted from HHaase:

Out of curiosity, what is the voltage on your lamp power buss? Trying to see a correlation between things when the adapters aren’t quite completely working.

Yes mpu 200’s are hit and miss. On ali all greatest letters on left shot flicker still. On dragon fist it’s a few around the blue bonus inserts.

I probably have 30 of your adapter sets in my games at this point. Love them.

#2199 40 days ago

Yeah I only use 1snd warm white comets across the board in all my pins GI and inserts.

4 smd inserts seems blinding.

#2204 39 days ago
Quoted from canoncitypb:

reposted here from the projects forum
Manufacturer: Stern
Game/Type:Rawhide
Cost: $25
Location: Charlottsville VA
Contact:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2119061884865797/
Vintage pinball machine. Needs electrical work, does not work. Must be able to pick up.
Condition
Used - Fair
Like Colson always says... WIWC 25 bucks people!

Rawhide is a fun game. Enjoy mine.

#2209 39 days ago
Quoted from LOTR_breath:

Found some competition video on Lightning, first I've seen. Too bad the spinner is borked but worth a watch.

Lightning’s in all our competitions. Will be in 24 hour final battle circuit event and possibly pintastic circuit event 2020.

I really enjoy the rules/how it plays. Huge joe joos jr fan.

#2212 39 days ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Has anyone done a play field for lightning?

No. I wish. These inserts don’t age well. Mines very cratery. Greatwich John does backglasses.

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#2255 28 days ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

The Data East lockdown bars will work fine. Original Stern lockdowns are basically impossible to find. Use the DE one and pray one day an original will show up

How many widebody data east game were there? GNR, WWF and BF? Better grab this last one floating around there.....

http://jtamusements.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_4_23&products_id=1395&zenid=1m4j45ljvmls8t0trctit0r2q1

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#2328 10 days ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

Another weird thing. This is a pic of the Magic in display test. These all look bad. Not sure if out gassed or what. The weird thing is none of these displays do anything in my Harlem but my Harlem displays with perfect in the Magic. Is there some non compatibility about early Stern displays with Bally games?[quoted image]

Nope. Perfectly fine to swap. I would reflow all those header pins as a baseline and then see if you still have all those issues

#2338 7 days ago

Did you reflow the header pins yer?

If that doesn’t do anything most of those look likened out segments. Would need new glass.

#2343 6 days ago

I think it’s just burnt out segments on the glass at this point. No need to keep swapping displays between 3 games. Order some led replacements and be happy

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