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Stern Electronics Club (1977-1984).


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Post #227 Various gate tips. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #269 Hi quality thoughts from Cotton about inlanes. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #279 Playfield touch up tips. Posted by klr650 (1 year ago)

Post #309 Stern inserts suggestions. Posted by cottonm4 (1 year ago)

Post #310 Seawitch gate flap solution. Posted by frunch (1 year ago)

Post #1033 Bally drop targets on the classic stern, even mix and match. Posted by cottonm4 (7 months ago)

Post #1958 Star Gazer podcast episode link. Posted by DRDAVE (69 days ago)


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#596 11 months ago

Hey folks!

I’ve recently started building my own Orbitor 1. Thread here:
https://www.pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/orbitor-1-a-scratch-build-reaching-for-the-stars

I’m glad there are new speakers I can use for the cabinet as I need ALL the hardware.

Are there any options for the transformer and other items? Also can anyone provide great pictures of the backbox for me?

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#635 10 months ago
Quoted from atariaction:

I put new drops on my Trident and they don't drop worth a shit! I tried tightening the springs tighter and tighter 3 times. So all this time I should have been trying to loosen them?

Yes! tightening them would make it so they are less likely to drop. The tension keeps them latched. You want the ball to hit them and knock them backwards so they slide off the ledge and drop down.

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#865 9 months ago

Looking for the spinning bumper assemblies on Orbitor 1, or any parts and pieces, I'd even rebuild a broken one.

Any and all help appreciated!

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#869 9 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

How fast do these bumper assemblies spin. What RPM? Would it be possible to buy a couple of high RPM motors, machine some brackets and machine the bumper part from hard rubber?
What about a motor from a Skil Saw. They are high speed with fast start up. They are continuous duty motors. And they have a threaded shaft.

They have an optic assembly on the underside that senses when the ball impacts the bumper and slows it down. I'd have to double check the RPM, it's a bit complicated, unfortunately

#870 9 months ago
Quoted from bluespin:

I pm'd you with some collector (hoarder) leads and some Facebook groups to try. Good luck.

I saw this and my PM must not have gone through, thanks!

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#1738 3 months ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

I’ll get new pictures for ipdb and such and a rom dump once I get this together and cleaned a little but it’s not going to take much.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

That is utterly incredible! This is one of those “completely whacky” novelty game designs that I am extremely eager to play!! And thank you for preserving the ROMs!

Side note, since I’m here:
I am in need of more references for my Orbitor 1 build. Is there anyone would could possibly take high quality pictures of metal supports that the flippers mount to? Even better if you’re not in a hurry, I could borrow one of the metal supports and have my metal fabricator build extras, since apparently they are non-existent.

#1753 3 months ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

This one has been a real haul for me today 350 mile one way through NY/NJ/PA. Or the most enjoyable Trek. Been working this and cue for awhile. Glad they both worked out at the same time.
Came with a few extra boards [quoted image]

And you didn’t stop and say “hi”?!! Unbelievable! You could’ve come and shared fond memories with the godforsaken Checkpoint you passed along down the line that ended up with me :b I’ve almost finally got it working!

If that board haul comes with a VSU-100 I call dips!!!

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#1912 74 days ago

Hey folks, so I’m still building my Orbitor 1. I’m using an old transformer and rectifier from the M-100 series since I couldn’t find any M-200’s lying around. I’m told it shouldn’t be an issue.
My question is does anyone have an example of how to wire in the inline EMI filter and does it matter which one I get? I just need to finish this to finally do my first boot up and test this Orbitor 1 and see if I’ve actually done it right!

#1913 74 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Stern made two styles of lockdown bar receiver assemblies. The early ones, like Dracula, may or may not have the ball and socket type of receiver. The later Sterns replaced the ball and socket with a slotted type of receiver.
If you have a slotted type of lockdown bar, you may be in luck.
Stern/Data East used the same style of lockdown bars as found on the classic Sterns form Ali and on. My DE Robocop lockdown bar will fit on all of my Sterns.
If you have the slotted style of lockdown bar this receiver should work OK.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-6881-00
This is a DE lock bar that works with that receiver. I don't know if this is wide body or not. Pay attention.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-5757-00
Pinball Life also has the slotted receiver.
https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-front-molding-lockdown-bar-receiver-assembly.html
If you do have the ball and socket type of lockdown bar and do not wish to change and if you really want a ball and socket receiver, your best way to source this part is put up WTB ads, or watch Ebay. Be caeful with Ebay; Lots of sellers will not know the difference.
Or in general, just get ready to beg.

Quoted from bluespin:

Try this site and if you don’t see it listed email him.
http://www.jtamusements.com/store/

Wow this is an awesome help, I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to find a Stern widebody lockdown bar and receiver. Orbitor was their last game so you’re saying a Data East one may work?

#1915 73 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

All Sterns from Ali and on used either the narrow body or wide body lockdown bar. Both styles of bars have the same part number for the part that is spot welded to the underside of the lock down bar. So, if you want to get nutty you can lock any Stern wide body bar you have onto a narrow body cab since they both have the common receiver part spotted on.
Both Stern style bars lock onto to my Data East Robocop. And my Robo bar fits all of my narrow body Sterns.
It makes sense. Chicago Coin morphed into Stern Electronics which morphed into Data East.
Gary Stern wisely kept his Stern tooling and passed it to his new DE company.
So I’m guessing real strongly that the DE wide body lock bar will lock down onto your Orbitor.
But is a guess. So if it does not work you are on your own.

I’m talking about the actual piece that accepts the lockdown bar. The metal part of the cab with the latch is the receiver, yes? The lockdown bar with the tabs beneath it go into the slots on the lockdown bar receiver and you secure that with the lever, or whatever Stern’s had. I need both the bar and the metal receiver that attaches inside the cab above the coindoor

#1919 72 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I understand. You are wanting the lockdown receiver. It is in the back in this pic. The two Stern bars for narrow and wide both have the same part number for the copper colored bar receiver. The black lockdown bar is the very same as the Stern narrow body with different part numbers.
All 3 of these bars are interchangeable. Other than you are not going to place a narrow body bar on wide body cab.
[quoted image]
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Call Pinball Life and ask if the 500-5757-00 wide body lockdown bar will fit into the 500-6881-00 receiver. If they say it will fit then your search is over.
https://www.pinballlife.com/data-eastsega-widebody-front-molding-black.html
[quoted image]
https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-front-molding-lockdown-bar-receiver-assembly.html
[quoted image]

Okay, I appreciate the clarification, and I hope it didn’t seem like I was coming off as condescending! I was trying to be as concise as possible since I wasn’t terribly sure myself if that’s what everyone else calls it. I appreciate the help very very much and I will buy that lockdown receiver from PBL if they verify it fits.

#1925 71 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I am looking at your Ebay auctions. I am looking specifically that your transformer. The Stern MPU-100 pins used a 16B-3 transformer.
All Stern MPU-200 pins used a transformer with the part number of 16B-6. There is a Bally transformer, 122-125 that will work as a replacement for the 16B-6. You list your transformer as an AS-2518-18. This is a Bally part number and I do not know if this transformer puts out the correct power for a Stern MPU-200 game. You were having some problems and I am wondering if this transformer could have been a contributing factor.
I don't know which Bally pins used this transformer. I'll need to do more research. Maybe someone here will know the answers.

Quoted from canoncitypb:

This number is not the transformer number. It is the number for the rectifier board that is shared between classic Sterns and Ballys. The transformer didn't have a number other than the 37-8014 on the paper. Other transformers I have seen have a number stamped on the body. This transformer didn't have that number. The voltages worked perfectly. I purchased a new rectifier board (which I have since used in my Stars machine as that board blew) and I used a universal Alltek mpu board from another of my machines. Everything worked on the machine. I got the correct voltages at the transformer and at the rectfier board and at the solenoid driver board (with another replacement), and at the replaced MPU. My issue was I didn't want to pay to replace all of those boards considering the condition of the rest of the machine. The light board had some issues and the sound and speech boards weren't working.
The transformer still has the original wiring and will work well with anyone's Bally or Stern of that era.

Did this get sorted out?? I have a Stern M-100 rectifier and transformer and I’m trying to figure out how to wire a new line cord into it and I don’t know how nor do I see anything on pinwiki about it.

I’ve been told they’re interchangeable between M-100 and M-200 so any help would be appreciated. If they are truly not interchangeable I’d swap my M-100 for anyone’s M-200.

Thanks!
Also do I need to use the EMI filter?

#1961 69 days ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

It’s got a wide open 3-spinner layout, lots of targets to hit, the unique slings and scoops and a great sound package. And of course, a great backglass.
I still think QS is the better game, but with Okaegi’s rules, or even better, Scott Charles’ rules it really shines.

I’m not familiar with either of these, how do I learn more?

#1968 67 days ago
Quoted from HHaase:

Yay, I'll finally be in the Stern club soon!
Bout time, considering how many of my boards are in your machines.
-Hans

Finally! Welcome aboard!

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#2003 61 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Stern made two styles of lockdown bar receiver assemblies. The early ones, like Dracula, may or may not have the ball and socket type of receiver. The later Sterns replaced the ball and socket with a slotted type of receiver.
If you have a slotted type of lockdown bar, you may be in luck.
Stern/Data East used the same style of lockdown bars as found on the classic Sterns form Ali and on. My DE Robocop lockdown bar will fit on all of my Sterns.
If you have the slotted style of lockdown bar this receiver should work OK.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-6881-00
This is a DE lock bar that works with that receiver. I don't know if this is wide body or not. Pay attention.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-5757-00
Pinball Life also has the slotted receiver.
https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-front-molding-lockdown-bar-receiver-assembly.html
If you do have the ball and socket type of lockdown bar and do not wish to change and if you really want a ball and socket receiver, your best way to source this part is put up WTB ads, or watch Ebay. Be caeful with Ebay; Lots of sellers will not know the difference.
Or in general, just get ready to beg.

Quoted from cottonm4:

I understand. You are wanting the lockdown receiver. It is in the back in this pic. The two Stern bars for narrow and wide both have the same part number for the copper colored bar receiver. The black lockdown bar is the very same as the Stern narrow body with different part numbers.
All 3 of these bars are interchangeable. Other than you are not going to place a narrow body bar on wide body cab.
[quoted image]
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.
.
Call Pinball Life and ask if the 500-5757-00 wide body lockdown bar will fit into the 500-6881-00 receiver. If they say it will fit then your search is over.
https://www.pinballlife.com/data-eastsega-widebody-front-molding-black.html
[quoted image]
https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-front-molding-lockdown-bar-receiver-assembly.html
[quoted image]

Bad news, Mike confirmed that the Data East/Sega lockdown does NOT fit, and that the new Stern Receiver will NOT accommodate the old Stern lockdown.

However he just happened to have an Orbitor 1 Lockdown Bar! So it’s a win, just gotta locate a Classic Stern receiver still, none of the usual suspects, I’ve been suggested by helpful Pinsiders, have them. They’re extremely elusive.

#2009 60 days ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Am in the nine ball club. Does anyone know if there is a playfield for this? I don’t need it but with my quicksilver and soon meteor about to get a new play field I will want to do nine ball.

Probably have to beg for that one next, although I thought CPR or someone had it on their “awaiting preorder” list since they needed a certain amount committed.

#2014 59 days ago
Quoted from Inkochnito:

Can someone with an Orbitor game help me out please?
I'm working on the two larger backbox cards.
There are parts of the text missing from the scan I received.
A photo would be great.
It doesn't have to be perfectly straight, just readable.
Attached is a the card I need to see...
Thanks,
Peter
http://www.inkochnito.nl[quoted image]

I’m pretty sure mine is perfect and I can take a picture/scan of that, in return can you get me pictures of all the papers staples to the inside of the game cabinet? Someone ripped all mine out

#2031 56 days ago
Quoted from Inkochnito:

Can someone with an Orbitor game help me out please?
I'm working on the two larger backbox cards.
There are parts of the text missing from the scan I received.
A photo would be great.
It doesn't have to be perfectly straight, just readable.
Attached is a the card I need to see...
Thanks,
Peter
http://www.inkochnito.nl[quoted image]

My cards inside the backbox are different and specifically say “Orbitor” on them. Here is a picture and if these are correct or some other version the factory was shipping, I can scan them for you.
image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg

#2035 56 days ago
Quoted from Inkochnito:

This Game Adjustment card is a different card.
I could use a scan too, thank you.
And the size of the card would be appriciated.
I'll add this to the file I'm working on or as a seperate file.
The other two cards I already have.
http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/Stern/Stern_SS-series_12D-162-1_Ground_Return_card.zip
http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/Stern/Stern_SS-series_12D-154-1_Self_Test.zip
Peter

According to my amassed references from Orbitor 1 pictures across the web, the large card you are looking for was stapled in the bottom right.

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#2063 50 days ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

Anyone want a free catacomb Backglass?[quoted image]

It’s a wall hanger for sure

#2093 45 days ago
Quoted from DRDAVE:

Agreed. That isn't a Stern receiver.

I will third that notion, it looks like what I bought from a collector hoping for it to fit Orbitor, it did not. I think they're old Williams lockdowns truthfully

Side note: Does anyone have a recommendation on a speaker to put into my Orbitor 1 build? I just wanna buy a new one and not sure what will work

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#2169 35 days ago

Just got word, my Meteor project is on its way here! Can’t wait to see what turns up!

#2181 33 days ago
Quoted from tomdotcom:

I own Meteor, the drone never goes away. It's supposed to be there. It gets higher and higher pitched the more you score. It can't be shut off, that I am aware of.

One can see how this “feature” could easily be mistake for a bug!
“No no not the normal obnoxious drone, the other drone!”

#2195 32 days ago

Hey Classic Stern fans, I’m looking into remaking the impossible spinning bumpers for Orbitor 1.

I have created a forum post here and would love feedback!
I truly believe other owners could benefit from this. Please let me know what you think

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-orbitor-1-spinning-bumper-replacement-interest-check#post-5196672

#2233 28 days ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

My first classic stern, Ali, is in the house. Anyone have a part # for this flipper button switch? I want to order from pblife or marco. Thanks![quoted image]

I might have a spare, what’s it for?

#2240 26 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Stern made two styles of lockdown bar receiver assemblies. The early ones, like Dracula, may or may not have the ball and socket type of receiver. The later Sterns replaced the ball and socket with a slotted type of receiver.
If you have a slotted type of lockdown bar, you may be in luck.
Stern/Data East used the same style of lockdown bars as found on the classic Sterns form Ali and on. My DE Robocop lockdown bar will fit on all of my Sterns.
If you have the slotted style of lockdown bar this receiver should work OK.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-6881-00
This is a DE lock bar that works with that receiver. I don't know if this is wide body or not. Pay attention.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-5757-00
Pinball Life also has the slotted receiver.
https://www.pinballlife.com/stern-front-molding-lockdown-bar-receiver-assembly.html
If you do have the ball and socket type of lockdown bar and do not wish to change and if you really want a ball and socket receiver, your best way to source this part is put up WTB ads, or watch Ebay. Be caeful with Ebay; Lots of sellers will not know the difference.
Or in general, just get ready to beg.

Quoted from cottonm4:

I do not completely understand. Pinball Life sells DE lockdown bars. And they don't have any receivers to fit the DE bars they sell? I'm glad you scored yourself a Big Game--Orbitor 1 lockdown bar. And none of the receivers they had will fit?
On the left is my Nine Ball bar receiver. One the right in my Data East Robocop bar receiver. They are the same.
BTW, From Ali and on, Stern produced two lockdown bars. One bar is for the narrow body pins such as Seawitch, Quicksilver, etc. And there is the wide body lockdown bar for Big Game, Cheetah, Freefall, and I feel safe in saying Orbitor 1 will use the same lockdown bar.
Pinball Life is selling DE widebody lock bars and narrow body bars. I would think that one of the receivers Pinball Life sells would fit the DE bars that are selling. But who knows?
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This is my Nine Ball lockdown bar mounted to DE Robocop.
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This is my DE Robocop lockdown bar mounted to Nine Ball.
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This is my Big Game lockdown bar mounted to Robocop.
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These all cross fit.

cottonm4 you were right sir! I finally received my Data East lockdown off a Pinsider parting out a WWE and it fit the Orbitor 1 bar perfectly. No idea why Terry thought they didn’t fit.
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#2242 26 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Glad it all worked out for you.
Please do us all a favor and contact Terry with the non-debatable information you now have.

I already told him, but I will submit the photos too

#2254 20 days ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

Cheetah is widebody. That bar isn’t.

The Data East lockdown bars will work fine. Original Stern lockdowns are basically impossible to find. Use the DE one and pray one day an original will show up

#2261 19 days ago

We went over this before. I bought the Data East receiver off a WWE and I had a classic Stern widebody lockdown bar for Orbitor 1 and my data East bars were interchangeable. Literally scroll up just a few posts.
They are identical and they will fit. Cotton made a HUGE post about how they are all interchangeable. I even emailed Pinball Life and explained it fits perfectly, I guess Terry either doesn’t believe me or hasn’t updated the site since then. They DO work. Trust me because I literally just bought them and they’re all interchangeable

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#2321 6 days ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I love those plastic bases. You can wire up with a Molex connector, remove the pop assembly and make perfect adjustments at the kitchen table and then reinstall.

Which Molex connectors do you recommend? I want to do this to all my Stern/DE games

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