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#151 1 year ago

From trash to treasure.

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#152 1 year ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

I need to find a cheetah to go with my big game. I’m sure I’ll be looking for a long time, if not, forever though. Never even hear it mentioned in casual conversation, let alone see one for sale.

There was a Cheetah up in Michigan that sold on Ebay not too long ago. It was rough. No back glass. But it had a blue cabinet instead of black. It looked like it would be a pretty pin when cleaned up.

I'd like to have a Cheetah but I have no more room.

#153 1 year ago

I have a decent Big Game, boards are fully rebuilt, everything works perfectly, BG has minor cracking near the bottom. Recent flipper rebuilds. PF has some light wear but is almost entirely intact (swirl marks). Plays awesome.

Any idea of the current market value?

#154 1 year ago

I want your Cheetah, PM sent.

(take the highest offer)

#155 1 year ago
Quoted from schudel5:

From trash to treasure.
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Mike, your game plays very nicely!!

#156 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

I have a decent Big Game, boards are fully rebuilt, everything works perfectly, BG has minor cracking near the bottom. Recent flipper rebuilds. PF has some light wear but is almost entirely intact (swirl marks). Plays awesome.
Any idea of the current market value?

I'll start the bidding at 1kCAN.

#157 1 year ago
Quoted from Methos:

I want your Cheetah, PM sent.
(take the highest offer)

2k was my offer with the insert wear.

#158 1 year ago
Quoted from BrianBannon:

Yes, Trident is a good one, though I always thought the best MPU100 game was Stern Magic.

Brian, thank you for the beautiful Nine Ball. Plays great. Love my Stern Magic. The last game to ever leave my collection.

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#159 1 year ago

Must admit I've never played a Magic or Trident as far as I know.

#160 1 year ago

I'm a sound set junkie. Most of these classic Sterns we are discussing here have the sounds that jazz me. Big Game sound set was a hit from day one. Nine Ball has some cool sounds. Catacomb took a bit to grow on me. And there is Seawitch, screaming witch that she is. Dragonfist has a nice sound set. After living with these sounds it is hard for me to go back to chimes like Trident and Hot Hand.

If I had the room, I would like to have both an Ali and a Meteor. But both pins, especially Meteor, has that humming sound that drives me nuts. With Meteor I guess it is supposed to be a Meteor crashing into Earth. I know Meteor looks like a blast to play but that humming....

Bally's sounds were..ahh... interesting, I suppose. Look at this rare 326 unit Bally Voltan. Beautiful game. But what is it with those Bally sounds? They make a great looking pin seem mediocre.

And Gottlieb had a catalog of strange sounds that I just cannot wrap myself around. Here is Genie. Beautiful game to look at but those sounds...

#161 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Must admit I've never played a Magic or Trident as far as I know.

Magic is a gem.

Trident is a turd, dont waste your time.

#162 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I know this has been brought up before but when does it stop being a restoration and become a new build?
You have an original back glass. I have a repro.
You have original plastics.. I have repro.
You will need repro pop caps as do I.
You are going to install a repro play field, as am I.
You have an original Stern cabinet, as do I. Except my cab is a sacrifice Dracula which is an original Stern cabinet.
All play field parts will be shopped and replaced. New flippers. New coil stops. etc.
When does your original SG become a builder? Repro play field + repro back glass + repro pop caps + repro plastics.
And then say you sell your old worn play field to someone who will restore it and put it back together. What will that guy have?
Which machine will have the most value? The one that looks closest to original? Or, say one with highly polished stainless lock down bar and polished rails as opposed to a machine with the rails and lock bar regrained to look original?
Obviously, the documented mint condition unmolested pin would be worth more than all of the others but by how much?
Let me dial my shoe phone. I'll call Agent 99 and see if she has the answers

I would say: The one that plays better. As that is of paramount importance vs looking nice. If you have both, then you really have a sweet copy!

#163 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

There was a Cheetah up in Michigan that sold on Ebay not too long ago. It was rough. No back glass. But it had a blue cabinet instead of black. It looked like it would be a pretty pin when cleaned up.
I'd like to have a Cheetah but I have no more room.

The blue cabinet has the better prototype roms. Much better sounds. Although the Green cabinet is better looking. The better sounds win out!

#164 1 year ago
Quoted from n1teowl:

Any ideas on the value of Cheetah? None has ever sold on Pinside and it seems to show up less often than some of these other titles. There's only 37 owners listed on Pinside. Any information on what range they are selling in?

i was offered one for $1200 cdn about 6 months ago

#165 1 year ago

Trident and Hot hand had that crappy sound board like the rest of the MPU100 had. Sounds of late 70's digital cash register comes to mind.

Very few chime games from Stern but when you find one, they sound great! The only manufacterer to use a wooden box as the chime box. Others used plastic. The wood gives the Sterns their special chime sound. Stern cime games are few: Memory Lane, Stars, Pinball, Stingray.

Had a chance to play a decent "Pinball" and wasn't expecting much. Was pleasantly surprised with it as it was one of their very first efforts.

Quoted from cottonm4:

I'm a sound set junkie. Most of these classic Sterns we are discussing here have the sounds that jazz me. Big Game sound set was a hit from day one. Nine Ball has some cool sounds. Catacomb took a bit to grow on me. And there is Seawitch, screaming witch that she is. Dragonfist has a nice sound set. After living with these sounds it is hard for me to go back to chimes like Trident and Hot Hand.
If I had the room, I would like to have both an Ali and a Meteor. But both pins, especially Meteor, has that humming sound that drives me nuts. With Meteor I guess it is supposed to be a Meteor crashing into Earth. I know Meteor looks like a blast to play but that humming....
Bally's sounds were..ahh... interesting, I suppose. Look at this rare 326 unit Bally Voltan. Beautiful game. But what is it with those Bally sounds? They make a great looking pin seem mediocre.

And Gottlieb had a catalog of strange sounds that I just cannot wrap myself around. Here is Genie. Beautiful game to look at but those sounds...

#166 1 year ago

My restored Cheetah with NOS Bill Davis cleared playfield and prototype roms with green cab went for way north of that.

Quoted from dirkdiggler:

i was offered one for $1200 cdn about 6 months ago

#167 1 year ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

i was offered one for $1200 cdn about 6 months ago

Cool, thanks for the info.

#168 1 year ago
Quoted from DRDAVE:

My restored Cheetah with NOS Bill Davis cleared playfield and prototype roms with green cab went for way north of that.

I'm sure it did. I've got the ROMs installed on mine that don't allow the bonus collect over and over. It makes it way more fun to play.

#169 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

I'm a sound set junkie. Most of these classic Sterns we are discussing here have the sounds that jazz me. Big Game sound set was a hit from day one. Nine Ball has some cool sounds. Catacomb took a bit to grow on me. And there is Seawitch, screaming witch that she is. Dragonfist has a nice sound set. After living with these sounds it is hard for me to go back to chimes like Trident and Hot Hand.
If I had the room, I would like to have both an Ali and a Meteor. But both pins, especially Meteor, has that humming sound that drives me nuts. With Meteor I guess it is supposed to be a Meteor crashing into Earth. I know Meteor looks like a blast to play but that humming....
Bally's sounds were..ahh... interesting, I suppose. Look at this rare 326 unit Bally Voltan. Beautiful game. But what is it with those Bally sounds? They make a great looking pin seem mediocre.

And Gottlieb had a catalog of strange sounds that I just cannot wrap myself around. Here is Genie. Beautiful game to look at but those sounds...

Check out the video of Genie with Hulk sounds using the all in one board. Much better.

#170 1 year ago
Quoted from terrapinmark:

Brian, thank you for the beautiful Nine Ball. Plays great. Love my Stern Magic. The last game to ever leave my collection.
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I had a Magic many years ago and it did nothing for me game play wise. But your copy sure is pretty! =)

One of the prettiest Stern playfields.

#171 1 year ago
Quoted from n1teowl:

I'm sure it did. I've got the ROMs installed on mine that don't allow the bonus collect over and over. It makes it way more fun to play.

I had those roms too but opted for the prototype roms given the choice. The better sounds especially the bonus countdown is worth it.
Just set the game up steep and that shot is not nearly as repeatably doable.

#172 1 year ago

I will just set this right here....

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#173 1 year ago
Quoted from DRDAVE:

Stern cime games are few: Memory Lane, Stars, Pinball, Stingray.

OK. My operator friend who sold of most of his pins picked up a Memory Lane. He set it up with a quarter per play. I'll have to go play it.

#174 1 year ago
Quoted from kidchrisso:

I will just set this right here....
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Which plays better? Star Gazer or Fathom?

There is a Fathom at Cactus Jack's. Maybe they don't have it set steep enough but it does nothing for me. It is a beautiful pin but from the first moment that mealy mouthed voice says "Fathom" and that rhythmic sound starts I start losing the thrill of the chase. I'd rather play Interflip Dragon.

#175 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Which plays better? Star Gazer or Fathom?
There is a Fathom at Cactus Jack's. Maybe they don't have it set steep enough but it does nothing for me. It is a beautiful pin but from the first moment that mealy mouthed voice says "Fathom" and that rhythmic sound starts I start losing the thrill of the chase. I'd rather play Interflip Dragon.

That's like asking if a blonde or a brunette is better in bed...let's just say those two are bolted to the floor, Seabitch is for sale and Meteor is newer to the collection. I need more time on it.

#176 1 year ago

I wouldn't mind owning a seawitch; Nice change of pace with that weird layout.

#177 1 year ago
Quoted from dirkdiggler:

there was a quicksilver for sale here in sask recently for $2500 cdn. was on kijiji for a couple weeks.

When / where was this exactly?

#178 1 year ago
Quoted from kidchrisso:

That's like asking if a blonde or a brunette is better in bed...let's just say those two are bolted to the floor, Seabitch is for sale and Meteor is newer to the collection. I need more time on it.

Stilltryin for 4800 on that seawitch, lol.

#179 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Stilltryin for 4800 on that seawitch, lol.

go away...$4300

#180 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Which plays better? Star Gazer or Fathom?
There is a Fathom at Cactus Jack's. Maybe they don't have it set steep enough but it does nothing for me. It is a beautiful pin but from the first moment that mealy mouthed voice says "Fathom" and that rhythmic sound starts I start losing the thrill of the chase. I'd rather play Interflip Dragon.

Star Gazer all day, every day.

Interflip Dragon is a great game....brutal as hell.

#181 1 year ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Star Gazer all day, every day.
Interflip Dragon is a great game....brutal as hell.

You got that right. It looks like a pushover. It isn't.

#182 1 year ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Which plays better? Star Gazer or Fathom?
There is a Fathom at Cactus Jack's. Maybe they don't have it set steep enough but it does nothing for me. It is a beautiful pin but from the first moment that mealy mouthed voice says "Fathom" and that rhythmic sound starts I start losing the thrill of the chase. I'd rather play Interflip Dragon.

Those two are pretty comparable, Fathom has a more traditional layout while SG is pretty unique.

QS beats both of them.

#183 1 year ago
Quoted from Methos:

Those two are pretty comparable, Fathom has a more traditional layout while SG is pretty unique.
QS beats both of them.

your QS is the only one I have played (at least for one that actually plays well). I have always been curious, are the flippers intended to have as much travel as they do? They go further than any other game (even the always trap GTB premiers).

#184 1 year ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Interflip Dragon is a great game....brutal as hell.

BBAAAAAOOOOOOO

<Now back to your regularly scheduled Classic Stern Programming>

#185 1 year ago
Quoted from Methos:

QS beats both of them.

Only for the color green.

#186 1 year ago
Quoted from DRDAVE:

The blue cabinet has the better prototype roms. Much better sounds. Although the Green cabinet is better looking. The better sounds win out!

Wow, I had never run across the existence of alternate ROMs for Cheetah until now! I thought I was pretty expert on the Classic Sterns, but just goes to show there's always more to learn. The "blue cabinet" ROMs are not mentioned on IPDB.org, but I got the copy from PinMame so I look forward to trying them out!

#187 1 year ago

I've heard about "alternate ROMs" for Dragonfist, Iron Maiden, NB. Would love to find where to get them.

#188 1 year ago
Quoted from pinlawyer:

I've heard about "alternate ROMs" for Dragonfist, Iron Maiden, NB. Would love to find where to get them.

Different from the roms on IPDB for Dragonfist?

#189 1 year ago
Quoted from Dr_Dude:

Wow, I had never run across the existence of alternate ROMs for Cheetah until now!

My Cheetah the proto roms (blue cabinet). And once I heard the sounds for the regular roms, that are supposed to be in the game, they just sounded weird to me. More likely because I'm just used to the proto ones. I assume the rules are the same, just the sounds are different.

#190 1 year ago
Quoted from schudel5:

My Cheetah the proto roms (blue cabinet). And once I heard the sounds for the regular roms, that are supposed to be in the game, they just sounded weird to me. More likely because I'm just used to the proto ones. I assume the rules are the same, just the sounds are different.

I'm going to have to try the proto ROMs . It may be a good trade off from the updated rules.

#191 1 year ago
Quoted from n1teowl:

I'm going to have to try the proto ROMs . It may be a good trade off from the updated rules.

I don't think the rules are different...just the sounds. There were a different set of roms someone made for Cheetah that did change the rules for the left orbit bonus collect, but that is different altogether than the proto ones Stern issued.

#192 1 year ago
Quoted from cdnpinballer:

When / where was this exactly?

saskatoon kijiji about 2 months ago. pins seem to move slower in the summer. not even sure it sold or ad was pulled.

#193 1 year ago
Quoted from schudel5:

I don't think the rules are different...just the sounds. There were a different set of roms someone made for Cheetah that did change the rules for the left orbit bonus collect, but that is different altogether than the proto ones Stern issued.

Yes, I currently have the roms that limit the bonus collect. It might be worth changing out if the sounds are that much better.

#194 1 year ago
Quoted from Methos:

Those two are pretty comparable, Fathom has a more traditional layout while SG is pretty unique.
QS beats both of them.

Anyone that thinks any classic Stern is a better playing game than Fathom is living a lie. Remember, rare does not always equate to good. I love the classic Stern machines but c'mon man... we all know how any why they were made. There is a reason that back when these Stern machines were available they did not earn as well and were cheaper machines to purchase, compared with Bally and Williams.

#195 1 year ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

Anyone that thinks any classic Stern is a better playing game than Fathom is living a lie. Remember, rare does not always equate to good. I love the classic Stern machines but c'mon man... we all know how any why they were made. There is a reason that back when these Stern machines were available they did not earn as well and were cheaper machines to purchase, compared with Bally and Williams.

I just recently played Fathom and Seawitch and I thought Seawitch was way more fun to play than Fathom.

And Seawitch is like number 6 on my Classic Stern list for players.

But, each to their own.

Is Quicksilver really head and shoulders the best player of the classic Sterns? I can't answer as haven't played one. Want one though

#196 1 year ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

I just recently played Fathom and Seawitch and I thought Seawitch was way more fun to play than Fathom.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just can't get over how the shots in Seawitch are not properly lined up with the flippers. That right orbit area is a dumpster fire.

One reason I like classic Sterns is that you can set them up to be very difficult, while still remaining very fun. But it's harder to fix how the play field is designed.

#197 1 year ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

Anyone that thinks any classic Stern is a better playing game than Fathom is living a lie. Remember, rare does not always equate to good. I love the classic Stern machines but c'mon man... we all know how any why they were made. There is a reason that back when these Stern machines were available they did not earn as well and were cheaper machines to purchase, compared with Bally and Williams.

True the build quality nod goes to Bally of the day. But the think out of the box playfield design, drop targets that sweep instead of brick, smooth flow vs chunky/clunky...nod goes to Classic Stern. Prof in the pudding....My Fathom has been off legs for the past 2 years in favor of my Stars in its place.

EBD however is bolted to the floor as is Paragon

#198 1 year ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just can't get over how the shots in Seawitch are not properly lined up with the flippers. That right orbit area is a dumpster fire.

What impedes that right orbit shot is that thin flexible metal "gate". I've seen someone mod it to a curved metal rod gate with spring instead as the original was missing. I think it helped that shot a lot.

#199 1 year ago

I am a firm believer that your opinion of a game is in response to the exact tables that you have played over the years. The newer the machine (of the same title), the more similar one plays to to another.

So, these early solid state games have a MUCH wider gap of how one title of the same name plays to the next. I think that is one reason people seem to have such strong opinions of older machines. The older the machine, the wider the opinion gap.

Possibly it would only take one single experience on a Star Gazer or Quicksilver to change my mind. I have played two examples of each for a very extended time (many multiplayer games for hours) to learn to detailed rules of each table. I have decided that neither are worth owning. I suppose I could change my mind but that is probably just as likely as someone who does not like Fathom, playing a different example of it and changing their mind on the spot, erasing all the negative playing experiences in the past 15 years.

Truth be told, my favorite Bally game is my Mr/MS Pac-man. Every other single Mr/Ms I have ever played was absolute crap. Lamps/switches not working, flippers not aligned, ect. Yeah, I know. Flame away.

Back on topic, I don't think you could buy a decent Seawitch for less than 2500 these days. The other two are basically impossible to price since it's a sellers market on those 2 titles. Could you buy one for 3K... maybe a beater. 5K gives you a better chance at them but you can't buy one for 5K if you can't find one for sale. A few have been "built" from parts or populated PF's. That's seems to be the way to go if you are on a budget.

#200 1 year ago
Quoted from snyper2099:

Anyone that thinks any classic Stern is a better playing game than Fathom is living a lie. Remember, rare does not always equate to good. I love the classic Stern machines but c'mon man... we all know how any why they were made. There is a reason that back when these Stern machines were available they did not earn as well and were cheaper machines to purchase, compared with Bally and Williams.

So everyone who doesn't think as you is living a lie? Ok....

Actually I think two of the classic Sterns are better than any Bally, and I have several of the Bally games, and enjoy them as well.

Hope it doesn't keep you up at night.

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