Thanks for the recommendation. I am going to add a piece of sheet metal to the repair. I’m still troubleshooting exactly how to go about it. But I think I have a pretty good idea. We shall see how it comes out. Curious what epoxy you use?

There is nothing wrong with adding sheet metal, but I wouldn’t think it is needed. I would guess this was cracked by rough handling, not actual use. In the machine and doing its job, there are no forces tugging or pulling on this casting, just the shooter or ball lift smacking into it.

1940 Bally "Record Time" I've been restoring. All that's left is to re-solder the bulb sockets, clean and wax the playfield, and some miscellaneous small cleaning.

And before I get called out on the date - this was produced 15 months before the US entered the war (and importantly, before the government enlisted the factories for the war effort)

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WOW! I don't recall for sure, but I think that's the earliest example of a Skill Lane. Can you please take a photo of the apron area? (score/instruction cards).

I'm curious about how the star features work.

Unfortunately they don't explain it, but if memory serves they act as another "First" scoring hole when lit. I'll edit this next time I have the glass off; will roll until I get a star, poke it, and see how much it pays
I'm pretty sure there are earlier skill lanes (been a few months since I researched it) but this was the first game to make the outholes into goals. And then Bally kept making the exact same layout for a decade lol

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I see - looking closer I see that the holes for the stars are in the typical boot or trophy or jockey cap or feature or etc. position.

On this game is it possible to light more than one star per game? Games made directly after the war returned to a 2 hole layout at the bottom.

This game is really neat! 6 playfield lamps arranged on the sides like a much later bingo pinball (minus 2 lamps ).

I shot you a private message as I have a special project I'm working on that could use your help. If you are willing, I'd be very grateful.

got the schematic for record time? If yes, please post hi res pics of it ... the whole thing or overlapping sections so it can be stitched together.

pics of the inside would be great too!

if you don't have the schematic, you can find paperwork for a few one-balls in https://bingo.cdyn.com/machines/bally_one_balls/

sport king would probably be similar to record time

Still 8 hours until fully cured. I think this should hold. Sanded both surfaces. Painted a thick layer of JB weld on the repair surface, then evenly pressed the brace into position. The sheet metal worked great and I was able to get it to lay nice and flat. Used a pencil to plug screw hole. Waxing it made for easy removal.

Used JB weld original formula as it’s what I had on hand. I’ve ordered some higher end epoxy. I wondered to about using bondo resin as I have worked with that a lot for busted corners on cabs and such. But people seem to be having great success with epoxy so I’ll try that in the future.

I was debating on filling the cavity completely but I didn’t think it was necessary. What do you think?

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Nice clean work, that’ll hold forever!

One star lit at a time, usually none. And any pictures I upload are free to use; I plan on uploading pictures (when it's cleaned and waxed) here and to IPDB, as well as making a virtual recreation

Sadly no schematic, but I've taken lots of pictures of everything inside and out. Been documenting my progress on Discord. Once I'm done I'll make a thread here with the whole process and upload a folder with everything.
And thank you for the link, that might help me! I want to try and make at least a rough schematic for this.

I *think* I have Steve Campbell to thank for taking care of this in the past - adding a power switch, fixing the Bally tilt wiring, and labeling everything - if anyone knows him.

On a side note, how do I get this added to the database here, so I can add it to my collection?

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Added!

How did this happen so quickly? I asked to have my 1938 Bally Reserve added a number of weeks ago via a new, appropriately sub-forumed thread and got zero response.

Got it

https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/bally-reserve

--Jeff

Hello All,
I'm relatively new to this era of pins, and looking to see if anyone else out there has a 1935 Mills Pearl Harbor. I am working on one for a friend, and part of the decision to go forward full blown with the project is whether I can find or replicate the missing pieces. If anyone has one and is willing to share some pics, I would greatly appreciate it!

I have many questions, but thought I'd start by seeing if anyone has this particular one. Here's a few pics of the game. Missing the metal cover piece that goes on playfield near the shooter rod, access doors, and coin mech linkage. Also, the ball lift has been hacked up.

Thank you!

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Very cool, certainly deserves restoration. It still has the payout mech, which is very good news. OLDPINGUY may be able to provide some details.

Sorry, I dont have mine anymore. Its somewhere here in Florida.

It was in worse shape than yours, so unless someone here restored it, its sitting as a "project" to do.

I can try to help, if I know something.....Whats your needs? Others can chime.....

I just Love the Playfield and History.

Check the Facebook group. I know ive seen at least one other Pearl Harbor on there

https://www.facebook.com/groups/prewar

Ive also added Pearl Harbor to the Pinside Database

https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/pearl-harbor

I'm really hoping to find someone else that has one so I can see what the missing parts look like. Here's the main things it's missing:

1. Metal trim piece that mounts in the shooter rod area
2. Front and side access doors and locks
3. Diamond shaped accent pieces for cab (3 each side, plus one on front door)
4. Glass
5. Ball lift assembly. The currently assembly has been hacked in, and not sure if it could be returned back to original.
6. Original legs, decorative metal trim pieces that mount on the legs, and leg levelers. Game did come with some reproduction legs that look the part, so really just the metal pieces.
7. Coin mech linkage. Photos of how it connects into the payout lever would be helpful.
8. Battery info. Wiring looks to be intact, with a 9 pin plug coming from the playfield that connects into the payout block. Two leads coming from the switch presumably go to a battery source, so info on battery requirements would be helpful.

Item #1 will be the most difficult. My son was going to draft up a 3D pic of what we think it looks like based on brochure images and fade lines on the game, then 3D print it, then see if we could find somewhere to have it cast in aluminum. Very much a long shot, but if the part exists out there that's sitting on someone's shelf, please let me know.

Thank you!

way2wyrd - Thanks for the tip. I'm not on facebook unfortunately, and cool to see the game added already!

I had my son post on the Facebook group link, so we’ll see what comes out of it. It would be great to get those pre war pinheads to migrate over to Pinside.

Started a restoration thread on my 1934 Daval Big Bertha (senior) - https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/1934-daval-big-bertha-senior

Started work on my 1933 Genco Silver Cup: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/1933-genco-silver-cup

I found the last person to work on it left behind a mint 1930’s Yankee Handyman 2H ratcheting screwdriver. This is going into my pinball toolkit!
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That's where I left it!!!
Cool find. Imagine how long last guy looked for that?

I just released a new video for everybody to enjoy, featuring Exhibit's 1940 Wings. A machine that was recently unearthed by a friend of mine. Really interesting layout and gameplay. Enjoy!

And another one! This time I've dissected the ruleset of my 1940 Genco Big League. Which was easier said then done. But... I'm quite happy with the result. Hope you people enjoy the video.

Picked this ol' girl up yesterday.

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such a fun game

I'm really looking forward to the restoration. Overall its in fantastic shape. Hope to get to it shortly after Big Bertha is finished.

When you tell someone the features of this pin it sounds like your talking about an early SS.

- 5 kickouts
- 2 subways
- 2 captive balls
- 2 habitrails
- rollover triggers firing of captive balls
- automatic kickout on lower pf
- dual shooter lane holes to rotate/choose scoring ball

Damn you find the good stuff!
Big Bertha now this.
Congrats, jealous.

Thanks! I consider myself lucky with Spit Fire. Big Bertha was an absolute basket case. It’s looking good now but my lord was this pin in rough shape to start.

Another video of Genco's 1940 Big League!

Hello. Looking for info about this bagatelle game, date, value, etc. Any tips where else to look would be appreciated to.

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Not a clue. Can only speculate, that the date on the game '1876' could be the name. The ball plunger was added later, as an upgrade. Since it has the 1881 patent date.

Hopefully some one else will chime in.

R Rothschild and Son was a bar room and billiards manufacturer and retailer from Cincinnati. Here is an example of their work: https://www.facebook.com/JeffRubysSteakhouse/photos/ms.c.eJxljcENwEAMwjaqIArJ3f6LVX1Vgq~_FDUEJV3OEpXYe~;qQ5RqqcoNNygo5OlBXvVVGGWxsbXSezn~;UClF0vTw~-~-.bps.a.10155095684951576/10155095685591576

That bagatelle was made by Montague Redgrave and then retailed through R Rothschild and Son, as detailed here: https://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/2012/10/the-bagatelle-wizard-instead-of-the-pinball-wizard.html

“The bulk of the profits came from a new, larger version of the original table top game that was promoted to saloon owners as a way to "entertain your customers and make money." The Parisian Bagatelle Table "combines gravity with muscular power." Marketed by Rothschild's & Sons, the game was advertised as "two actions worked in harmony on an inclining table which has great advantage over the cue." For just a nickel you could buy a handful of balls and try your luck for 20-30 minutes. With this glowing endorsement, bagatelle tables became a common fixture in taverns, inns, saloons, and penny arcades.”

IMO, the history is really cool, but the actual value isn’t much. I guess the highest $ value would be to someone who already has a R Rothschild and Son bar or billiards set, who wants a cool showpiece from the same vendor. Likely it’d bring the most value in a Cincinnati area sale, too.

A few more items for you:

Pacific Pinball Museum’s example:
https://m.facebook.com/pacificpinball/posts/did-you-know-montague-redgrave-was-a-british-immigrant-living-in-cincinnati-ohio/2007221352664582/

Redgrave’s patent:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=00115357&PageNum=1&IDKey=88B5D4F8D92D&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=0115357.PN.%2526OS=PN/0115357%2526RS=PN/0115357

Original patent model is actually on display (not just in the collection) of the National Museum of American History:
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_689012

I don’t see an 1881 patent granted for Redgrave, but I think that could be related to this (losing) patent infringement suite against Singer, where Redgrave was trying to claim a new patent, but the device changes were not large enough to warrant a new patent:

https://books.google.com/books?id=_a4KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq=Montague+Redgrave+patents&source=bl&ots=ZQ-kqKMydp&sig=ACfU3U0TiDXS9YTxbk_iigfE2u0w7iFDhA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5hpeforX5AhXkCDQIHQjnCeoQ6AF6BAguEAI#v=onepage&q=Montague%20Redgrave%20patents&f=false

Here’s what I could find for auction results for Redgrave bagatelle games (some are older results, but there hasn’t been much change in the demand for bagatelle):

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Very cool find, what are the dimensions of this?
It seems way larger than most of the other bagatelles of the time. Like, almost to a detriment? There's TOO MUCH on the playfield! lol
I'm interested in buying a nice 19th century bagatelle. If yours was a normal sized one (like PlanetExpress posted examples of) I'd send you an offer but it's probably too much to ship with that size.
If you ever made it to Canada or Norther NY State I'd be interested!

While many were certainly retrofitted with plungers, why do you think this one had a plunger added later?

The whole plunger and lane cover just has a different look to it. I was just speculating based on the photo, with the difference of the '1876' on the playfield and the patent date on that plaque of '1881'. Making a game to celebrate 1876, 5 years later could of happened, since no one is around from that time, one can only guess.

In the linked example, the playfield is marked “PAT FEB 15, 1876”, so my thought is that something about the playfield was patented in 1876 and that became the model number. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-1876-redgrave-original-parlor-1866116312

In this image of the instructions from a Redgrave, it calls out the 1871 and 1876 patents.

This site has some other examples: http://www.pinballhistory.com/bagatelle.html

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Thanks to everyone who supplied info on the large 3'x5' bagatelle. When I have an update on its status I'll post.

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Just got a look at these two and dont know anything about the pure mechanical games . Did find the snooker ball was made in KC MO on IPDB site . What might they be worth . Any thoughts would be helpful thanks

Very cool machines! I don't see Snooker Balls around. As far as value, unfortunately few purely mechanical prewar games command high prices. I see unrestored Mills Officials everywhere that sit for a while when they're listed at $400 and $500.

I'm doing a video series on moving from FL to NY.
Not all my stuff is Prewar. But everything I own is Pure Mechanical. Expect for a Dallas and a batterie operated toy.
Current List:
5 ABT gun games.
1 Duck hunt game

Rock-ola wings

Hoop-er-doo One cent version.
3 1931 Bingo's
1 1932 Play boy
1 Kicker Catcher Five cent version
2 Sculptoscope's 3d viewer
A 3d viewer that has a clock type movement to pull cards forward. With a key.
2 Manual 3d viewers and about 100 or more cards.

Trade Stimulators:
Mills "The Target" Penny drop
Hi-Lo dice vibrator. 5 cent
2 card spinning trade stimulators One 5 cent one ten cent.

And a penny operated music box from 1890's???

Dale

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Can I see pictures of your playboy?

It is in a stack of Bingo machines. I have no room for them in the bedroom.
Pic 1 is the top of the stack. A Bingo machine.
Pic 2 is second from the top is the back of the Playboy. I drilled the lock, not thinking to find a good lock picker.
Pic 3 is Playboy with a Marquee? or top piece that I found for 50 dollars on eBay. The owner had no clue what it went to.

Notice that my Play-Boy has no holes for the top piece. I'm assuming that the game has two different versions. Also mine came with white balls. most lost during a demo of my machine. I think someone stole them.

I will make a video of all the machines going into my trailer, soon.

I no longer display anything where alcohol is served.

Dale

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