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Pre-War Club! 1930 - 1939

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#451 6 months ago
Quoted from Irishbastard:

Listing this locally (RI) if anyone is interested. Stoner "The Waldorf of the Aristocrat line" machine. I've been told it's very rare as it has a "Tilt" mechanism (uses a small pinball) and has the rare metal adornments on the front. I did an amateur restoration on it, looks and presents great. The marbles I was instructed to buy for it are a tad small, could use slightly larger ones but still plays. Thinking $800 (have more pics if interested)
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look at the CURVES on that one! what a look

#452 6 months ago

I was referred to this sub forum by another pinsider. I got this game a few years ago, minus the coin mech that probably had the manufacturer name on it. I've Googled myself silly trying to find any information about it. Anybody have knowledge about it? I know in the early years there were many here-and-gone makers that left little trace a century later.

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#453 6 months ago
Quoted from hjh632:

I was referred to this sub forum by another pinsider. I got this game a few years ago, minus the coin mech that probably had the manufacturer name on it. I've Googled myself silly trying to find any information about it. Anybody have knowledge about it? I know in the early years there were many here-and-gone makers that left little trace a century later.
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https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5676

Probably this one with no info or photos. Otherwise it’s totally unknown

#454 6 months ago

Thank you Isochronic_Frost. I'm sure that's it. Made by the Birmingham Vending Company in 1933. The company was started in 1931 and is still going today! I sent them an email telling them of my find and offered to send photos.

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#455 6 months ago

Showing off my brother's handiwork - he made this stand for my 1933 Broadway, based on my design.

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#456 6 months ago

Does anyone know of a source for 5¢ coin slide mechanism? I've seen two examples of over $100 and both were out of stock. I need one for a 1933 game. Henry

#457 6 months ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Showing off my brother's handiwork - he made this stand for my 1933 Broadway, based on my design.
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Nice work!

Off topic: I dig the legs on that Spectrum too!

#458 6 months ago
Quoted from hjh632:

Does anyone know of a source for 5¢ coin slide mechanism? I've seen two examples of over $100 and both were out of stock. I need one for a 1933 game. Henry

Do you have pics of what you need or know the make? Some of them had different length extensions to slide the underside of the playfield.

#459 6 months ago
Quoted from WalrusPin:

Do you have pics of what you need or know the make?

No photos of the game at IPDB or on the internet that I can find. (I just sent game pics to IPDB.) The entire coin mechanism is missing so all is guess work. I was going to build a wooden face plate following the original outline traces on the front board to cover the gap. I'd mount the coin mech on that and jury rig the rest to push back the flat panel that triggers the ball return release. It wouldn't really be coin operated as such, but would start a new game and cover up that awful gaping hole in the front. All I need is a nickle coin slot mechanism of some sort and I'd figure out the rest. I'm hoping someone has an old one I can buy for a reasonable price plus shipping. Maybe a Pinsider has a bin of old ones and can pass on a spare.

https://jamesroller.com/product/new-and-original-abt-coin-slide-3-bolt-for-5c/ I've seen a couple of these, pricey and out of stock. ABT was around in 1933 which is when HI-BOY was produced.

BTW, I did contact the Birmingham Vending Company, still in existence, and have been in communication with the third generation owner. He was very happy to get my photos since he has no examples of early company history products.

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#460 6 months ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Showing off my brother's handiwork - he made this stand for my 1933 Broadway, based on my design.
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Everything about this makes me happy.

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#461 5 months ago

Picked up a really clean fleet the other day, just working on getting the coil to kick hard enough to push the actuator.

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#462 5 months ago
Quoted from way2wyrd:

Picked up a really clean fleet the other day, just working on getting the coil to kick hard enough to push the actuator.
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I'm looking at one now - if you don't mind me asking, what did you get it for?

#463 5 months ago
Quoted from WalrusPin:

I'm looking at one now - if you don't mind me asking, what did you get it for?

I stole it so you probably dont wanna know lol. got a deal at a chance good will auction of all places.

At the History of pinball booth Id have it priced between 1200 and 2000 depending on condition

http://www.historyofpinball.org/

#464 5 months ago
Quoted from way2wyrd:

I stole it so you probably dont wanna know lol. got a deal at a chance good will auction of all places.
At the History of pinball booth Id have it priced between 1200 and 2000 depending on condition
http://www.historyofpinball.org/

I've got a guy relatively around here who wants 1500 for one that appears to be in decent shape, but it still seems like a lot for what it is. Would jump on it for a 1000... the problem is it's a 7 hour round trip to get it so I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet

#465 5 months ago

I've got a 1938 Bally Reserve that I've got set back up now that my Spirit of 76 is gone, so I'm picking up where I left off.

Do any of you guys know about a paint type/brand/company that uses paint that is not entirely opaque? I know paint these days is all "paint plus primer" garbage, but it's also full of fillers that try to get a nice thick coat with just one application.

I ask because my game's base coat is a light yellow that, even when the game was new, was slightly transparent enough to have the woodgrain be visible through it. I'll attach some pictures here to show you all what I mean. I want to restore this game to as original as possible, and for me, this yellow being slightly transparent is kind of a big one for me.

My game's cabinet has a lot of this same "flaming" in the woodgrain that shows through, so it'd be great to replicate the paint as close as possible to achieve the same effect.

Also, as a short aside: I think my game was also a payout machine at some point like the one in the pictures here is because, while I don't have the extra part of the cabinet beneath the front that this one does, my game's bottom board underneath the coin door has a very specifically shaped cutout and there's a hole to the left of that that is directly underneath where the nickel drops. Both holes look original, too.

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#466 5 months ago

Hi people, this World Series popped up for sale locally.

Legs, door and backglass are missing. Coin pusher seems broken.

Seller says the cabinet is solid and that the inside looks to be complete. I assume the game is not working.

I might go check it out. Anything specific to look for? What would you say is a fair price for this?

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#467 4 months ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi people, this World Series popped up for sale locally.
Legs, door and backglass are missing. Coin pusher seems broken.
Seller says the cabinet is solid and that the inside looks to be complete. I assume the game is not working.
I might go check it out. Anything specific to look for? What would you say is a fair price for this? [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

It's not in bad shape overall - what is the seller asking as a starting point?

#468 4 months ago
Quoted from Jappie:

might go check it out. Anything specific to look for? What would you say is a fair price for this?

Looks like a good one and looks like its complete
Look for broken metal parts inside the cab. If the spider mount is broken youre screwed

Legs, Door, Backsplash and a ton of other stuff is available on http://buckwerx.com/

Price varies. Id drop 500 on this in an instant. Anything over 700 is too much IMHO with the missing pieces

--Jeff

www.historyofpinball.org

#469 4 months ago
Quoted from WalrusPin:

It's not in bad shape overall - what is the seller asking as a starting point?

Quoted from way2wyrd:

Looks like a good one and looks like its complete
Look for broken metal parts inside the cab. If the spider mount is broken youre screwed
Legs, Door, Backsplash and a ton of other stuff is available on http://buckwerx.com/
Price varies. Id drop 500 on this in an instant. Anything over 700 is too much IMHO with the missing pieces
--Jeff
www.historyofpinball.org

Thank you Jeff! What is the 'spider mount'? Is it often broken?

#470 4 months ago
Quoted from Miguel351:

I've got a 1938 Bally Reserve that I've got set back up now that my Spirit of 76 is gone, so I'm picking up where I left off.
Do any of you guys know about a paint type/brand/company that uses paint that is not entirely opaque? I know paint these days is all "paint plus primer" garbage, but it's also full of fillers that try to get a nice thick coat with just one application.
I ask because my game's base coat is a light yellow that, even when the game was new, was slightly transparent enough to have the woodgrain be visible through it. I'll attach some pictures here to show you all what I mean. I want to restore this game to as original as possible, and for me, this yellow being slightly transparent is kind of a big one for me.
My game's cabinet has a lot of this same "flaming" in the woodgrain that shows through, so it'd be great to replicate the paint as close as possible to achieve the same effect.
Also, as a short aside: I think my game was also a payout machine at some point like the one in the pictures here is because, while I don't have the extra part of the cabinet beneath the front that this one does, my game's bottom board underneath the coin door has a very specifically shaped cutout and there's a hole to the left of that that is directly underneath where the nickel drops. Both holes look original, too.

I've got your machine's younger brother Record Time! Definitely there for a payout mech, mine still has it with a similar setup.
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Are you sure it's yellow paint? Mine looked much the same but more brown yellow, which I took to be nicotine staining. You can in see in my pictures that it spread unevenly over the black and orange art and even over wood where the paint had come off. I cleaned it off with Spayaway Crazy Clean and now have a pretty decent silver cabinet. It lost some of the neat wavy pattern, but otherwise looks much more new now. (It's currently apart from moving or else I'd get a full picture)
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#471 4 months ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi people, this World Series popped up for sale locally.
Legs, door and backglass are missing. Coin pusher seems broken.
Seller says the cabinet is solid and that the inside looks to be complete. I assume the game is not working.
I might go check it out. Anything specific to look for? What would you say is a fair price for this? [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Update: brought her home today. Very happy! You never run into these in Europe.

The seller would not budge on his price of €750 (about $794). However, the machine is in nice original condition. All key mechanisms seem original, intact and not tampered with. That fucked up coin slider being the exception.

The playfield has quite some grime on it, but I got the feeling it will clean up nicely.

So yeah. That's one more project in line. As if I didn't have enough of those to begin with.

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#472 4 months ago

Hi Jappie,

You have one of the rare games that has a serial number sticker on the ball return casting.

Look on the bottom of the cabinet (plywood side) and you should see a five digit serial number written with a pencil in large numerals. With any luck, it matches the number on the sticker. Seems like that would make a game worth more.

Note to all WS collectors and and collectors to be: I have a pretty good process for repairing broken spider castings, which I have done a dozen times. If your spider casting is broken, PM me and we can set up a time to discuss how you can surgically repair it. You need all of the parts from the broken casting, a particular type of 3M epoxy, and some method of cutting and bending thin sheet metal--but it can be done at home.

-Nate

#473 4 months ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Thank you Jeff! What is the 'spider mount'? Is it often broken?

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#474 4 months ago
Quoted from Nate:

Hi Jappie,
You have one of the rare games that has a serial number sticker on the ball return casting.
Look on the bottom of the cabinet (plywood side) and you should see a five digit serial number written with a pencil in large numerals. With any luck, it matches the number on the sticker. Seems like that would make a game worth more.
Note to all WS collectors and and collectors to be: I have a pretty good process for repairing broken spider castings, which I have done a dozen times. If your spider casting is broken, PM me and we can set up a time to discuss how you can surgically repair it. You need all of the parts from the broken casting, a particular type of 3M epoxy, and some method of cutting and bending thin sheet metal--but it can be done at home.
-Nate

That is so cool! Thanks for pointing that out @Nate. Seems it's a match: 14605. I'm not surprised as the game doesn't look to have been screwed around with.

Once I've examined the game properly, I will be in touch with you to make the game complete (legs, coin door, marquee, et cetera). Really hoping you (or somebody in this group) can help me with a good coin slide as well.

I think the spider casting on my game is in good shape, but I'll have to take a closer look to be 100% certain. The Base Disk spins whenever I bring a ball to the shooter lane, so it seems something isn't sitting quite right.

To be continued...
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#475 4 months ago

Jappie,
Run thru this site. Mark does a great job of cataloging and explaining

https://www.funwithpinball.com/resources/Worlds-Series

#476 4 months ago
Quoted from Wylte:

Are you sure it's yellow paint?

Yes, quite sure. While the cabinet of my game has been sanded back down to bare wood, the backbox door was painted over in a light tan. Thankfully, they didn't sand the original paint off first and I have some nice, virgin yellow under that tan paint. It's a yellow paint that matches lots of the pictures of other Bally Reserve's and Daily Dozen's(identical game) cabinets.

#477 4 months ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Showing off my brother's handiwork - he made this stand for my 1933 Broadway, based on my design.
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Do you have plans available for this table?

#478 4 months ago

This is what I drew up for my brother. Dimensions are specific to this game and may vary.
He ended up using a .75" board for the base, to provide better support for the screws that hold the legs.

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#479 4 months ago

Hey everyone! Noob here! I recently purchased this 1937 Bally Eureka, and I am excited to begin the restoration process. I am relying on an electrical engineer friend for guidance, but mostly relying on information I can find on the internet.

The gentleman I bought it from said it worked when he bought it 5 years ago. The wiring all looks pretty solid so I was going to start with getting a new 6v power supply, and go from there. I am still looking for schematics for this machine if anyone has some I would appreciate it!

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#480 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Hey everyone! Noob here! I recently purchased this 1937 Bally Eureka, and I am excited to begin the restoration process. I am relying on an electrical engineer friend for guidance, but mostly relying on information I can find on the internet.
The gentleman I bought it from said it worked when he bought it 5 years ago. The wiring all looks pretty solid so I was going to start with getting a new 6v power supply, and go from there. I am still looking for schematics for this machine if anyone has some I would appreciate it!
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Love to see a one ball payout game! Good luck with the project and I hope you get it going.

#481 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Hey everyone! Noob here! I recently purchased this 1937 Bally Eureka, and I am excited to begin the restoration process. I am relying on an electrical engineer friend for guidance, but mostly relying on information I can find on the internet.
The gentleman I bought it from said it worked when he bought it 5 years ago. The wiring all looks pretty solid so I was going to start with getting a new 6v power supply, and go from there. I am still looking for schematics for this machine if anyone has some I would appreciate it!
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Very interesting game! Post some pics of the outside, too. We don't care if it's dirty or whatever!

I looked it up on IPDB and there aren't any pictures of it there. Also, the scans of the flyer there show different backglass artwork than what apparently got made. I love stuff like that!

#482 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Hey everyone! Noob here! I recently purchased this 1937 Bally Eureka, and I am excited to begin the restoration process. I am relying on an electrical engineer friend for guidance, but mostly relying on information I can find on the internet.
The gentleman I bought it from said it worked when he bought it 5 years ago. The wiring all looks pretty solid so I was going to start with getting a new 6v power supply, and go from there. I am still looking for schematics for this machine if anyone has some I would appreciate it!
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Cool machine, congrats!

The projector in the backbox is neat. Same one that Evans' Ten Strike uses.

Your machine has a conveyor belt for coins. It was used to check if any slugs were used in past games. So does my 1936 Bally Roundup. Seems yours is missing the belt itself. I had the same issue and MacGyvered a new one out of an inner tube for a bicycle. Works well.

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#483 4 months ago

Eureka doesn't seem to have a Pinside entry yet. You can apply for one here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pre-war-games-that-aren-t-on-pinside

#485 4 months ago

I tried adding all the info and more photos, but when I click edit details it says oops please login, but I am logged in. I will try again later. Thank you so much for adding it!

#486 4 months ago
Quoted from Miguel351:

Very interesting game! Post some pics of the outside, too. We don't care if it's dirty or whatever!
I looked it up on IPDB and there aren't any pictures of it there. Also, the scans of the flyer there show different backglass artwork than what apparently got made. I love stuff like that!

Here you go!

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#487 4 months ago
Quoted from cait001:

Love to see a one ball payout game! Good luck with the project and I hope you get it going.

There is actually a switch on the inside to turn it to multiball!

#488 4 months ago

Found these images in a different database

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#489 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Here you go!
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Quoted from mda78666:

Found these images in a different database
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Yours has that same semi-transparent style of basecoat paint that's common for this era of Bally games that allows the wood's flaming to show through it. Either that, or it's a VERY specific method of painting that I've never heard of before. Both are quite possible.

Really fun to see all the different variations Bally did of these games back then. It's like there was no set cabinet art, backglass art, or naming system for these things back then.

My 1938 Reserve is the same way. They made it with two different versions of cabinet art, and under at least three different names with slightly differing backglasses.

My guess is that they made a run of cabinets with one type of art that was out of sequence with when the start of a new game came out. So like, 2500 cabinets with paint scheme X for game A, but 2/3 of the way through, game B came out. Game B gets the remaining 1/3 of cabinet paint scheme X, but then moves on to cabinet paint scheme Y for the remainder of game B's run and possibly even into game C.

I love production oddities like this, but it definitely makes it hard to nail down what was factory correct when restoring these things.

#490 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Hey everyone! Noob here! I recently purchased this 1937 Bally Eureka, and I am excited to begin the restoration process. I am relying on an electrical engineer friend for guidance, but mostly relying on information I can find on the internet.
The gentleman I bought it from said it worked when he bought it 5 years ago. The wiring all looks pretty solid so I was going to start with getting a new 6v power supply, and go from there. I am still looking for schematics for this machine if anyone has some I would appreciate it!
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I have this game as well! It’s buried under a bunch of other projects right now and it may be a while before I get to it. And you know I don’t have schematics either, so if you find some, please let me know!
Your award table on the bottom left shows odds, while mine shows free games…

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#491 4 months ago
Quoted from Wmsfan-GAP:

I have this game as well! It’s buried under a bunch of other projects right now and it may be a while before I get to it. And you know I don’t have schematics either, so if you find some, please let me know!
Your award table on the bottom left shows odds, while mine shows free games…
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Very cool! I am making progress, but I do believe my transformer may be toast. The unfortunate thing is the sticker is ripped on my transformer so I am not exactly sure what I need to get to replace it. If you get a wild hare and pull out the inside and post a picture of the front of the transformer I would greatly appreciate it!

#492 4 months ago
Quoted from mda78666:

Very cool! I am making progress, but I do believe my transformer may be toast. The unfortunate thing is the sticker is ripped on my transformer so I am not exactly sure what I need to get to replace it. If you get a wild hare and pull out the inside and post a picture of the front of the transformer I would greatly appreciate it!

Unfortunately, I don’t see any information on my transformer as well. There’s no numbers in black or any other color for that matter by the terminals of the transformer.
I did notice number 582 written into the coin box area, so possibly the serial number for the game as the inspection tag doesn’t help.
Almost 77k plays, so she made some op some money.

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#493 4 months ago

There are only four pre-war games at Expo as of right now. I haven’t even seen any woodrails either. It really is an industry show.

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#494 4 months ago

One more-

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#495 4 months ago
Quoted from Wmsfan-GAP:

One more-
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Unique game! One of the first pinball games where the player had a significant amount of control.

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#496 3 months ago

Score!
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#497 3 months ago

American Beauty IS a beauty. Very nice! I've always been curious about the "catapult." Is it simply mechanical, or electro-mechanical?

#498 89 days ago
Quoted from justincasekazoo:

American Beauty IS a beauty. Very nice! I've always been curious about the "catapult." Is it simply mechanical, or electro-mechanical?

It's definitely pleasing to the eye. I love the way it keeps score with that 'clock' in the middle. Very unique, very chique.

The Catapult is a very early example of a kickout hole. It's powered by a cute small coil. A ball should fall in the Catapult first. If, after that, another ball falls in the center 400 hole, the Catapult launches the captive ball into the Mystery Score hole. Not sure if it actually scores a random or a set amount of points.

The cabinet on my game is very sturdy, but also quite battered. I found a paint that seems to match the original bluish black well. And I hope to be able to restore the veneer panels to at least a bit of their former glory.

My plan is to document this restoration well and create a video once it's done.

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#499 85 days ago

Oh, look at that! Thank you for satisfying my curiosity.

I seem to remember in Dick Bueschel's Encyclopedia of Pinball that there was some reference to the ball kicker in the trade literature at the time. Everyone was trying to lay claim to the "kicker" idea because it had been patented. (Or, if it hadn't been patented yet, it would be.) I'm going to go find this passage so I can get it right...

Daval's game immediately following American Beauty was Big Bertha, another game with a kicker to fire balls uphill.

Here's what Bueschel writes:


"Realizing that Bally was ahead of them, and the original game maker [of a game with kickers that Bally was copying, probably Shyvers's Cannon Fire] was ahead of Bally, Daval made no attempt to patent Big Bertha. Instead, they opted to establish a link between their cannon games and the latest model of American Beauty, suggesting that they owned prior art on the basis that one game led to the other. 'The Daval Manufacturing Company will announce in a few days their new catapult type machine Big Bertha on which they have been experimenting for several months. The catapult idea first appeared on the Daval American Beauty machine. A. S. Douglis [president of Daval] showed The Coin Machine Journal plans for a game of this type several months ago and after considerable experimentation and development the finished product will now appear as a battlefield game with reproduction of heavy duty firing equipment which will project the balls counterwise to the pitch of the machine.'

"In making the desired connection, they made the strong point that the preceding Daval game shot balls uphill. 'The experimental department of the firm has just completed a new game for which dies and jigs are already in preparation. The game will be presented to the coin machine market on or about Aug. 1. It will be known as Big Bertha and will embody the catapult feature now found on the American Beauty in a different and much more intriguing manner. The action will be up the board as in the present catapult shot on the American Beauty game. Larger balls will be used. Entirely different mechanism is being constructed and many of the outstanding features will be entirely new to the pinball industry. The tremendous popularity of the catapult shot, the firm states, has been the reason for the further continuance of the idea in this new form of a Big Bertha game.' What Daval neglected to mention was that the American Beauty catapult was mechanical, whereas the Big Bertha kick was electrical, with little or no true relationship between the two features."


So this raises questions. Never mind that there are two versions of American Beauty, one of which has no "catapult" on the playfield at all. This is the "Three Vases" version. Clearly Bueschel was not aware of a version of American Beauty with an electric kicker. Are there two versions with a kicker, one mechanical and one electric? I've not seen any of these games in the wild to have an idea. Perhaps American Beauty was in production with a mechanical kicker, and once Daval got wind of electric kickers, they started producing American Beauty with such, while working on the design for the next game, Big Bertha.

I don't know, and this is probably more consideration than anyone is interested in giving, haha. @cait001, can you provide any insight or thoughts on this? You're the only living pin historian I know of.

@jappie, I look forward to seeing the restoration and the video when it's complete!

#500 82 days ago

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