Hello All,

I read more of this thread than I care to admit, looks like a soft modern playfield and some shotty QC.

I question everyone from the top down that's involved in the manufacturing process at JJP! I don't think any idiot would install a post that's effectively a knife-edge onto their playfield. If all of these posts were like that it should have been rejected by management if it was only a few then the assembly folks should have been tossing them into the trash. I just played a WW SE this weekend and still want one, but the soft playfield was apparent on it after only two weeks on the floor (in a busy arcade) it had dimpling the same as reported on newer Stern games (mine included).

I just very carefully inspected my IM as the top posts on the slingshots are a thin one like this one and I don't see any wrinkling or chipping anywhere. So I think Mirco is partly to blame.

Pirates is still only a wish for me so I won't comment on what a fair solution is, but I certainly feel for you all as I know I'd be upset to find that post digging into a playfield of mine. Hopefully, some of the mitigation ideas will end up working out and that you can continue to enjoy what otherwise appears to be a standout game!

Regards,
Mike
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That's pretty upsetting to hear that most all of your posts looked like that! So management approved the parts and the monkeys installed them without question.

Darn.

Is there a consensus to the best fix for the slingshot posts? As a future WW owner, I'd like to know.

Thanks,
Mike

Thanks for the replies!

Mike

Has anyone reached out to Mirco?

Chips are a sign of a hard playfield where the paint and topcoat are 'popped' apart from the wood (or primer) due to ball impact or force of leverage on posts. On the other hand, there are reports of ripples (bunching) of the playfield and tears. Some tears it seems are due to pulling the star posts out of the field as they are large originating from the star post and getting smaller as it goes out. You wouldn't expect a soft playfield to chip and you wouldn't expect a hard playfield to bunch up or tear. I'm not HEP, but this seems like doggy logic to me, perhaps I'm wrong.

So why are some boards chipping (hard) and others are tearing or bunching (soft)? At least one of the pictures appears to show deep indentations into the wood itself.

Those posts without a flat bottom truly were SHIT (on you JJP) however, there certainly appears to be issues at the board manufacturing level and perhaps Micro might be able to chime in as to the best way to mitigate these issues.

Would I consider a Mirco TZ playfield at this point, I'm not sure.

@dts you posted a few seconds before I finalized my post, but I agree with you. Mirco is on the hook on this one from what I'm seeing.

I'm sorry I only made it through 1/2 of the posts and then spent the majority of my time combing through the photo evidence. Which led me to believe it was ALSO a playfield issue as it's more than just the terrible star posts. There are issues beyond the star posts, that we wouldn't expect to see on a machine this new.

Darn..sad to hear Mirco is as unresponsive as JJP on this issue.

Edit: Has there been any reported issues with other Mirco playfields or is it just POTC?

Already edited it.. get most of my parts from them...they are awesome

Hum, that was the first thing I noticed on the WW I played that the slingshots were turned WAY down, like 40% of what you would expect.

I felt totally the opposite, I thought it was colorful, fun and great!

Read quite a bit of the above links and it certainly appears that while it took awhile Stearn, in the end, they stepped up. Sending out boxes for populated playfields swapping the parts onto new boards and shipping em back. Local dealers were even handling the removal and reinstall on behalf of their clients.

If there are enough truly injured parties then pool together a few hundred dollars each and get an attorney to start a class-action lawsuit?

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/class-action-lawsuit.html

If there are damaged parties which filed their reports to JJP within the 30-day window without resolution that would certainly help your case. If they were early adopters (serial numbers) and then JJP withheld this information to prospective buyers and knowingly continued to deliver a defective product that's a bonus. The star post fix and changes in the manufacturing of later machines is an admission of culpability. If any were purchased via a distributor then I'd name them in the suit as well, to make things just a bit more exciting for JJP.

Your only other solution is to start branching out into the other JJP forms. e.g. Start spreading failure uncertainty and doubt in the minds of the pinside community about JJP products. Every prospective WW prospect is likely following the WW Golden Ticket owners club. Branch out gorilla style and go to war with JJP until it hit them in the pocketbook.

I'd certainly register jerseyjackpinballsucks.com and set up a forums where documentation can be put together of the issues across their entire product line. As an SEO expert I can tell you that once the site had a bit of content, it would show up every time some types in jersey jack pinballs.

Create a plan legal or otherwise and execute it as ...

it's 100% certain that arguing among each other will accomplish nothing! Team together or fail apart.

With that said I still really really want a WW and hope to have one soon.

Respectfully,
Mike

Going to need a better picture. I can't see anything even when looking *real* close.

I hope to get to the SE at pinball lounge in the next couple of weeks and am going to take a flashlight for a close inspection when I go to play.

Were there any signs of the horrible knife-edge posts on your WW?

Thanks,
Mike

As a conservative, I STRONGLY endorse the reality of personal responsibility, over the idea that the Washington bureaucrats can make better decisions for me.

Liberals want to control your wallets and the conservatives want to control your mind, you cannot control my mind, so leave my wallet the fuck alone!

Take personal responsibility for your action.

POTC is a terrific, mindbending, innovative product albeit with a flaw or two. With innovation comes risks, purchasing such innovations is a risk which you chose to make.

Kind Regards,
Mike

PS As my father always joked, if you are under 30 and not a liberal you have no heart if you are over 30 and not a conservative you have no brain.

My bad it won't happen again! But I still advocate personal responsibility.. e.g. I should have been a more responsible drinker the night I posted that!

Highly unlikely with the limited numbers sold, R&D (and parts) cost of this complex machine, cost of the Disney licensing and such. You'd think with the demand if it was profitable it would be re-released. Why would they suddenly stop production? Perhaps after they started making them the labor costs were finally known and when added to the parts costs they said oh poop.

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Hope to have this game someday, so I also hope they redo another run at some point.

It's really unfortunate for everyone! Have there been any issues with the remakes: MMr, MBr and AFMr? Those titles didn't have the release cycle issues built into them that Stern, JJP and others are facing.

The manufactures are for sure pushing to get the next cool thing released, maybe they simply need to let these boards sit for a longer period of time before screwing things onto them? Is JP2 being pushed out the door, to combat WW in the fight for the

limited money pool_available in pinball? I wouldn't be surprised to see JP2 playfield issues in the rush to market.

What's the source of CGC, Stern, and JJP fields?

Is it time to cure or is it the manufacturer?