Wow, You guys are finally are growing a pair.

Yes, mine is not

Yeah, but that initial "tell anyone online and we won't replace your Beatles playfield" stance was not acceptable. I'm assuming it softened?

You could get revenge simply by making a Kraken that has the suckers on the UNDERSIDE of the tentacles where they belong, instead of how they made them...

Change the name to “Mirco, the man who killed pinball. “

I was thinking more like “I won’t buy any nib pin until this is sorted”
Vs
“I don’t plan to change my pinball purchasing habits due to Playfield issues”

Well this WAS the spot for the WWCF CE #12 -- It was all nice and ready for it to be inserted in and hopefully before my Annual Pinball Party that I have always have the week before the Chicago Expo.

JJP are you Listening?

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Do they go out of business replacing playfields for free or do they go out of business because no one wants to pay $10K for problems? Tough choice.

Deadpool would fit nicely there.

Your game sounds similar to mine.

I said the same thing before it happened. And I protected it right out of the box.

Mirco stated in his thread: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/quicksilver-mircoplayfields-available-now
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He is buying more cnc(s) or possibly other equipment or robots. Why he keeps silent on the Jersey Jack problems is weird! Same with Jack & Company. Maybe something is in the works towards the playfield problems.

Not sure but JJP is still pushing the $550 offer so if there was something else in the works why would they be doing this?

Love the optimism and I hope so. Realistically I think both parties at this point are totally aware of the issues, but are just keep quiet, in order to keep the cash flow coming...

If they admit liability.

Floodgates open.

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Please don't take this offensively, but let's be realistic. I have a small chip, like 2-3 mm around one post and a small bit of pooling around another. Both fully covered by the star post and washer fix kit. So now, no signs of damage or issues on the rest of the machine. This seems to be the typical case. Can we really expect JJP or Stern for that matter to replace the entire populated playfield for a few millimeters of damage/wear? I mean, on most games we just slap a cliffy and move on. I'm just playing Devil's advocate, so don't hit me with 20 downvotes. The game plays great and is a blast. If I ever sell it, the value is still there. I think there probably is an issue with modern clear that needs to be addressed. But for current owners, I guess I'm saying that the vocal folks on this site may be asking too much.

Ok but how bout all of us who have chipping elsewhere in addition to what is covered by their fix kit?

Don’t take offense but this sounds like someone trying to protect resale value. If you have soft clear and pooling it will probably show up in other places. Your PF will certainly have premature wear in the future. I wouldn’t buy it even with a deep discount. Others might just not me personally. If you can’t be vocal about a serious defect to the most important part of a pin then I guess you should never be vocal. Because the clear issue is about as bad as it gets. You will understand when a lot of these used pins hit the market.

Not thinking about resale at all. But as a manufacturer, would you replace nearly the entire product for a few millimeters of chipping? Anyway, just putting it out there. I know there is a lot of anger out there on the subject and I'm not trying to provoke.

I know you say your not thinking about resale but you did say “ if I ever sell the value is still there”. I just happen to disagree that the value is there. It’s not there for someone like me because I am almost guaranteed more issues with that clear down the line. We are not talking about a ramp or pop bumper here. The PF is the foundation of the whole pin. It’s a huge deal breaker for me. Maybe i’m in the minority on this and feel the way I do because of a large background with 90s pins.

You are not in the minority. I have money set aside for our family’s 1st NEW IN BOX purchase of the Jersey Jacks hopeful release of Toy Story. NO PURCHASE will occur if this playfield issue still exists. 8K plus is a ton of money to spend on a luxury want, not necessity.

I played wonka the other day and enjoyed it. I'll most likely pick one up....after this issue is addressed and fixed.

Busnesses rise and fall based on their practices. The reality defining profit and loss is summed up with "sometimes you get the Bear, and sometimes the Bear gets you". The true test of a company is what they do when something goes wrong. Anyone can do it right! JJP has made a bed that they have to lie in by offering a self serving solution. I for one have purchased the new playfield based on the choices I was presented. My Grandfather put it to me this way... "Would you rather have a Buffalo shot up your south-side or you shot up the Buffalo's south-side". (JJP is the Buffalo by the way). My playfield has cracked and rippled under several components due to overtightened scoops, posts, and rails to the degree liffy's are ineffective due to it not laying flat. Basically I received a new-in- box playfield that was completely damaged beyond repair. Research and development is sparked when a weakness is detected in your competition and the desires of the consumer market. Someone will figure out how to solve this widespread problem and offer it in their product and capture the market and win my loyalty. "It's just good business". As far as my relationship with JJP is "We have reached the end of the horizon". I won't purchase another JJP product for the simple reason I don't need this S in my life. Their true colors has been exposed. I don't question if I should've purchased the game, I regret the position I was put in after I purchased the game. In conclusion JJP doesn't have the power to succeed or fail, we have that power! The consumer can revoke its desire to purchase from them and the business will fold. Don't give up this fight. "Keep a weathered eye on the horizon" because good things are coming. What ever you choose, or deal you make with JJP "Take what you can and give nothing back"

here's the thing... if all POTC have the problem, it won't hurt value because you won't be able to buy one that doesn't have that issue

I mean.. decades later we know some era games just have some weaknesses that are common.. and so its about buying an example that has 'less' of the problem.

This is shaping up to be like that unfortunately...

Didn’t think of it that way. If all the PFs are flawed that actually will help resale value. I will say a PF that has bad clear would be about the worst weakness (as you call it) a pin could have. This is NOT just another pin issue. This is THE pin issue. As in I can’t come up with a bigger problem you could have with your pin.

No Quarter No Parlay for JJP...lol

Cannot be that hard for the industry to get it right, just go back to what worked before!
It's not rocket science ffs...

I Think I am doing a podcast tonight with someone called Kaneda. We are talking about my collection and CE's. So I will let yall know how it goes.

I hear what you’re saying here and it makes a certain amount of sense. I can only speak for myself obviously and I will say that I’ll never buy a used POTC with these clear-coat issues. I would love to own this game but if the option is having a game with these issues or nothing, I choose nothing. I need less headaches in my life.

Ask him what he thinks of Robin as a person and admin of Pinside for your icebreaker. Keep bringing it up in various ways during the masturbation session, er...podcast.

What worked in the past is a great place to start. Just spit balling but, in the automotive industry a few shops have popped up applying clear ceramic to multi thousand dollar paint jobs that will not chip during a rock strike and will provide a high gloss when applied. This is purely a fictitious example of something that could be an alternative to clear coat resisting dimpling and cracking (on the down side this approach may create high ball speeds and travel straight through the back panel). I am just implying that I think it's time for manufacturers to begin thinking outside the box. If existing manufacturers sit on their posterior and stick with the status quo the opportunity will past them by and may come equipped with a patent.

Mirco has offered ceramic finishes for quite a while. Costs more. No idea how good it is for pinball or if any manufacturer paid the extra dough for it. I doubt it.

Are you saying that a pin you are interested in is listed as "mint" or "collector" condition. You look at it and it's absolutely the condition they listed it as WITH EXCEPTION to the playfield which has some pretty serious cracking/chipping - but since it's a JJP title and you're willing to pay full asking price and just accept this is the new normal?

Question is, will you call in at Kaneda's Podcast at 3am?

Not sure if anyone has looked under their Black Pearl ramp at the posts but I guess from the activity of the pops firing off the sling under there this is another really weak area.

I just picked up a NIB about 10 days ago. Late build but had the pooling look around the sling posts. I got the wife's hair dryer out today. I took the posts and plastics off, turned the hair dryer on low with heat and went to town. I used a credit card to help press and flatten the pooling back to flat. Worked each spot about 60-90 seconds. The heat applied was able to maneuver the clear and is once again flat, might have even helped with hardening. I reinstalled the posts, washers etc.... centering them absolutely perfect, not over cranking. So far so good, the pooling has not reappeared as of yet. I will report back in a week and let you know if it has held up.

p.S.… JJP, silence is NOT golden, and sending out bigger post to cover up... BRICKSHOT!! Not the way to handle this situation!

Why didn’t you use your hair dryer?

I am not understanding why you people keep buying games unseen and unplayed. I have stopped doing that years ago. Its not like they are running out of new pinball machines. I hope jjp never releases a new run of potc with the playfield problems fixed, it would make the original run value drop bigtime.

I bic it....

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FOMO...duh

I'd honestly removed the posts all together and let the clear further "cure" for the next month or so. Leave it in a un-temp controlled garage.
I'm not sure "heat" does anything to these clear coats - but then there is some universal confusion about the type/chemical makeup Mirco/JJP is using.

I saw and played a machine before ordering and mine ended up chipping. How would seeing and playing before buying have helped here?

If it was just the PF, I'd put it outside in the sun to get UV to help it out.

I assume he’s saying to buy used rather than NIB.

Not all POTC games have playfield issues.

But a lot of them do, mine being one of them.