Quoted from joseph5185:

Working on the disc silencer mod (I failed the first time, but I think it was my fault)

Quoted from arzoo:

Curious how you failed or what you think you did wrong? I ask because I installed the silencer mod and it made no difference, my disk is still pretty very.

Quoted from zaphX:

The playfield protector is not adhered to the art like a clear bra would be. Also it looks like different material; clear bra stuff is a thick adhesive plastic and can be “healed” with heat where the playfield protector looks like a loose sheet of something.
I’m genuinely curious how a clearbra’d playfield would play. I certainly love the stuff on the front of my car.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Are you on double slotted star posts or singles?
I'm on double slotted- and find them to play really nicely with the rubber at the right level with the ball.
This is an important consideration as well- plus stiffer is what I want, to help prevent sling escapes.
As for the rubber shedding- I'll monitor- but I'd think it more of a problem with posts than slings.
I could also maybe order some new black perfect plays from pinball life.
The clear Titans are a PITA because they REALLY need to be wiped down all the time.

Quoted from Zora:

I just received my POTC last Thursday. Thanks to all of you who reported the sling post issues, so I was prepared well. My POTC has the small plastics under the Posts and soem minor dent in the clearcoat, but not a chip. The dent in my opinion is due (beside the fact the the clear possibly is not dry enough) to the fact that the hole in the plastic washer is too big so that the post can move on the washer and thus is not fixed.
I documented my protection actions in the following pictures. There are 2 ations: first is substitution of the pastic washers by (self cut) own ones and second fxing the whole goup of the 3 posts by an additional protection plastic (which takes away the pressure to the ground fix by the sling rubber, which is the best protection in my opinion).
The four pictures of the removed post shows the addition of the self cut plastic washer (with a narrow hole to fit exactly to the post metall). The seize was restricted to the holes in my playfield protector; without such protector I would have used bigger plastics. Next step was to add smooth rubber below the plastic, which is available in each colour and thus fits to each section of the playfield. After installing the post you can hardly see that anything was adjusted.
For the plastic cover fix I used the so called convolux protection plastics I purchased, which already has the 2 holes and drilled a third hole for the posts not fixed in the normal cover plastic (the very right and very left ones). But basically you can use every clear plastic for this purpose. Integrating the third post in the fix is the relevant step top do. After this the yellow protection plastic absorbs the slingshot pressure so that the ground fix of the posts should more or less get no pressure at all. The single posts do not move at all and the whole group of posts is very stabil.
The last picture shows the final look. I used two colours (brown and blue) for the smooth rubbers, which are hardly noticable. The drilled third hole in the yellow plastic is hidden by the cover plastic anyway. Now I am very satisfied with the result.
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Quoted from wesman:

I think is a pretty compelling solution also! How's it working out for you so far?
Did you get the yellow plastics from somewhere specific, and what materials did you use for your blue washers?

Quoted from gumnut01:

Single. I have double but not installed as I am now awaiting JJP as they are putting together a solution. Wasted 50 bucks buying all the posts, washers, slings and postage. Anyway.
White rubber gave me 4x as many air balls as titans. Just received white super bands. Was going to give them a go.
Maybe white rubber is more bouncy than black. It does deteriorate much faster than black. I should have got smaller super bands for the star map area, that would mean rubbers only have to be swapped over once. Damn there’s another $10 postage.

Quoted from gumnut01:

Single. I have double but not installed as I am now awaiting JJP as they are putting together a solution. Wasted 50 bucks buying all the posts, washers, slings and postage. Anyway.
White rubber gave me 4x as many air balls as titans. Just received white super bands. Was going to give them a go.
Maybe white rubber is more bouncy than black. It does deteriorate much faster than black. I should have got smaller super bands for the star map area, that would mean rubbers only have to be swapped over once. Damn there’s another $10 postage.

Quoted from zaphX:

The playfield protector is not adhered to the art like a clear bra would be. Also it looks like different material; clear bra stuff is a thick adhesive plastic and can be “healed” with heat where the playfield protector looks like a loose sheet of something.
I’m genuinely curious how a clearbra’d playfield would play. I certainly love the stuff on the front of my car.

Quoted from gliebig:

What happens when it gets dirty and you can't clean it perfectly? I'd hate to try and peel that off.

Quoted from Yelobird:

While I still don't think it would work it actually peels off Very easy. I have installed this on all of my cars and it is close to bullet proof. Well, rock proof anyway...

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Actually, it now looks like they're both about the same. Noticed an uptick in airballs recently with the rubber. Going to order some new black Titans and possibly some me perfectplays, if only to see how I like the difference.

Quoted from zaphX:

I got an escaped sling hammer on my double stars last night w/ titans. I’ve put on the perfect plays and we’ll see how they do.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

With a wider field of gameplays now, I think the black rubber isn't tenable either. Noticed an uptick in airballs recently with the rubber. Not as crazy as maybe you saw, but its there. Going to order some new black Titans and possibly some me perfectplays, if only to see how I like the difference. Part of me is curious how the 2 1/4 titans would play on the starposts.

Quoted from zaphX:

I got an escaped sling hammer on my double stars last night w/ titans. I’ve put on the perfect plays and we’ll see how they do.

Quoted from Yelobird:

OK, not sure if this will help but looking at the mechanics of the slings it looks like a possible simple solution to eliminate the escape hammer. The problem is many are changing the OEM plastic posts to a larger diameter which moves the sling rubber ring 1/8" plus further away from the sling arm allowing it to sweep further down and under. My suggestion would be to add 1-2 washers under each of the 4 mount holes in the (item 2) crank mtg bracket. In doing so you would pivot the arm back slightly and push it's angle back a few degrees. I would also consider Stretching the (item 6) spring to give it more rebound. All theory but I suspect it would help.[quoted image]

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Quoted from gumnut01:

I will try the white super bands. Let you know how I go.

Quoted from zaphX:

I seriously hate to add to this thread because it’s already a shitshow, but...
My wife had a simple question while discussing the chipping issue. “Why don’t they clear-bra it like cars?”
That...actually struck me as a really good idea. Those things are thick, durable, and would probably affect gameplay less than a “floating” playfield protector would. In fact, it’s not all that different from the mylars already in place.
Is this a thing anyone has ever tried in pinball? Bad idea?
And NO Joseph, please do not take this as a suggestion that you strip your playfield and start applying XPEL to it.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Best of luck mate.
On my front, today, I removed the starposts, put back in the stock ones with the JJP washers.
Novus took out the indentations in the clear from the rubbers, which really wasn't much on my game.
Interestingly, a lot of the bloated clear around the post areas seemed to calm down from 60 or so games of even pressure from the washers and starposts.
As before, I'm one of the lucky ones (so far) that tried this switch before chipping actually occured
Anyways, Im not a science guy, but as I've seen it on my own game it's not just about sling escapes. Which was rare with the Titans on my double posts (1 in 60 plays-ish).
It's also about the airballs, which frankly the power of the sling hammer would probably have to be greatly reduced below the JJP lower limit given the diameter changes of the starposts. Same can be said probably for the sling escapes, too.
So while I do hold that the double starposts is the best fix for chipped clear games, I do now see that it's a qualified fix till a much lower sling power option is introduced, plus maybe some of the other mechs may need adjusting in the region, as the poster above has described.
Hopefully JJP will advise for the most affected- those whose games chipped before the poly washers were installed, but also be good to hear any updates for the rest of us.
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Quoted from Zora:

I just noticed that Mezel Mods has the plastic protector KIT in orange.

Quoted from wesman:

Soooooo....you're not entirely back to factory? What led you down that way, and you said you noticed washer indentations? That's why I've been reluctant in going that route.
You feel just a lower power setting would be the ultimate solution?
I kinda think the space around the posts, seems the largest issue for vibration reasons. As such I kind of think Zora has a sound idea with the smaller internal washers.

I actually had bought their clear one's, and they were incredibly thick. So much so I couldn't get the black spacers back in, and even on the slings, the nuts were barely able to be installed.

Quoted from wesman:

Soooooo....you're not entirely back to factory? What led you down that way, and you said you noticed washer indentations? That's why I've been reluctant in going that route.
You feel just a lower power setting would be the ultimate solution?
I kinda think the space around the posts, seems the largest issue for vibration reasons. As such I kind of think Zora has a sound idea with the smaller internal washers.

I actually had bought their clear one's, and they were incredibly thick. So much so I couldn't get the black spacers back in, and even on the slings, the nuts were barely able to be installed.

Quoted from Psw757:

I spoke with JJP today and I kind of chuckled.
The fix from their engineering team is apparently what I already have...
Rubber/neoprene washer and star post.
Oh and $550 unpopulated PF’s as well.
I have played well over 200 games now since going this route. Zero hammer escapes and maybe one airball with sling power at the min setting. I would still like to reduce slightly if possible via a code update, still lots of action on the min setting as mentioned by someone earlier. I’d like to see as little torque applied as possible from over powered slings.

Quoted from Extraballz:

Pinside is the engineering team. Hence the delayed response. At least your laughing.

Quoted from Psw757:

Yep...exactly why I laughed.
There is no doubt they are following this thread closely.
I’m just glad we were all able to help each other out to get our games playable without further damage for the time being

Quoted from tgrinchy:

Been following this thread and agree with previous poster - it's a bit confusing on what to really do. Seemed double star post, but I got confused when slings still escaped so didn't really seem to be root cause. Now folks moving away back to stock? I have the small clear washers from factory on mine and do have some dimpling.
Is the JJP "kit" going to be single star posts or double I wonder...?

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Best of luck mate.
On my front, today, I removed the starposts, put back in the stock ones with the JJP washers.
Novus took out the indentations in the clear from the rubbers, which really wasn't much on my game.
Interestingly, a lot of the bloated clear around the post areas seemed to calm down from 60 or so games of even pressure from the washers and starposts.
As before, I'm one of the lucky ones (so far) that tried this switch before chipping actually occured
Anyways, Im not a science guy, but as I've seen it on my own game it's not just about sling escapes. Which was rare with the Titans on my double posts (1 in 60 plays-ish).
It's also about the airballs, which frankly the power of the sling hammer would probably have to be greatly reduced below the JJP lower limit given the diameter changes of the starposts. Same can be said probably for the sling escapes, too.
So while I do hold that the double starposts is the best fix for chipped clear games, I do now see that it's a qualified fix till a much lower sling power option is introduced, plus maybe some of the other mechs may need adjusting in the region, as the poster above has described.
Hopefully JJP will advise for the most affected- those whose games chipped before the poly washers were installed, but also be good to hear any updates for the rest of us.
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Quoted from gumnut01:

Just remember, i had hammer escapes from the standard posts.
I don’t think there is still a solution that works 100%.
We are chasing our tails.
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Quoted from Genjuro:

Will JJP be announcing this in an official manner with instructions, or do we all need to call in and make a personal request you think?

Quoted from Yelobird:

Still scratch my head every time I read this. ANYTHING screwed down to the playfied will leave a dent. Anything! I have restored many playfields and Every post, screw, guide, you name it leaves an imprint! Even the ball. As Cheshirefilms did, a simple metal washer should have been installed from day 1 as is used in many post locations and Hundreds of other games. Nothing new really. This all started with a hole punch type failed molded post. I did the same as Cheshirefilm and its perfect and will be for Many years for .08 cents.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

In any event, I really hope they put in 1.0 an option to dial the slings the heck down from 16 to like....8...

Quoted from zaphX:

I have resisted turning down the slings. I feel like sling power and flipper strengths are part of the designer's "vision" for how the game should play, and I really don't like to mess with that if I can help it.

Quoted from zaphX:

I have resisted turning down the slings. I feel like sling power and flipper strengths are part of the designer's "vision" for how the game should play, and I really don't like to mess with that if I can help it.

Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Omg...try out Ghostbusters Premium flippers at factory settings and see the pinball explode the glass it's going so airball after it goes airborne off the right flipper/ramp combo and tell me if that vision needs dialed back a bit.. not literally but darn near almost

Quoted from zaphX:

Well it's no secret Ghostbusters is a complete mess.
POTC was crafted with love.

Quoted from zaphX:

Well it's no secret Ghostbusters is a complete mess.
POTC was crafted with love.