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PoTC - Who has playfield cracking & wear around sling posts?


By harryhoudini

5 months ago



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“What kind of issues are you seeing?”

  • I have visible dimples but no chipping 32 votes
    18%
  • I can see chipping but haven't done anything yet 60 votes
    34%
  • I can see chipping and installed mylar, washer and/or larger star post 25 votes
    14%
  • My playfield looks fine (but I haven't removed the star posts) 30 votes
    17%
  • I removed the star posts and my playfield looks fine 14 votes
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  • My game had clear washers installed from the factory 15 votes
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#651 4 months ago
Quoted from harryhoudini:

Meh... I doubt they would put time in to choosing the right color nuts for various locations. Not to mention the cost of anodized hardware. I like to think I'm "plussing" the original design.

Noted. I just got other things to do, like play PoTC.
I already am a week behind do to post-gate 2019

#652 4 months ago

For reference, the ZaphX comparison but with the Lowe's washers on black posts.

See the double notch lower post is barely taller than standard not installed but the single is REALLY jacked up. Presumably installed it's the same or even closer than here.

Within five games I had a sling escape on the single, through about 20 plays or so tonight I haven't had an escape on the doubles and the ball has been smooth off the slings at the minimal setting.

I think OP should put the double posts with Lowe's or gummy washer as THE official fix.

Though some posters swear the single stars work it's definitely the doubles that do.
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#653 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

I think OP should put the double posts with Lowe's or gummy washer as THE official fix.

I've been saying that for a while

#654 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I've been saying that for a while

Have ordered mine. I just think it looks a little inelegant. Wish there was another solution. In a weeks time after installing the doubles, I probably will not even notice it. It will be good not to have anymore escapes. Thanks zaphX, Cheshirefilms, Harry and others.

#655 4 months ago

I'll update the solutions post with the double for the noted reasons. I haven't even put the rubber washers on mine yet

#656 4 months ago
Quoted from gumnut01:

Have ordered mine. I just think it looks a little inelegant. Wish there was another solution. In a weeks time after installing the doubles, I probably will not even notice it. It will be good not to have anymore escapes. Thanks zaphX, Cheshirefilms, Harry and others.

On the black ones from pretty much any view you can't even see the extra notch once the slings are mounted on lexan washers.

#657 4 months ago

Is anyone concerned about how the neoprene Lowe's washers might react with the starposts?

Are you guys putting mylar under also?

#658 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

Is anyone concerned about how the neoprene Lowe's washers might react with the starposts?
Are you guys putting mylar under also?

The posts are like 70 cents. Buy spares. Worry less.

#659 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

The posts are like 70 cents. Buy spares. Worry less.

I just meant if there's a chemical reaction, like what occurred with the gummy one's from amazon.

The black do look kinda nice.

#660 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

I just meant if there's a chemical reaction, like what occurred with the gummy one's from amazon.
The black do look kinda nice.

Rubber on plastic? No worries as to reaction.

And that's entirely why I went for them over the 'mysterious' gummies. Not that I worry about posts that cost under a buck. I just didn't want to redo in the future.

No mylar. Mylar is a fake fix for posts driven into automotive clear, see my posts above per restore guru Keith Holbrook.

Just put down the rubber and forget about it

#661 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Rubber on plastic? No worries as to reaction.
And that's entirely why I went for them over the 'mysterious' gummies. Not that I worry about posts that cost under a buck. I just didn't want to redo in the future.
No mylar. Mylar is a fake fix for posts driven into automotive clear, see my posts above per restore guru Keith Holbrook.
Just put down the rubber and forget about it

Is the double star post the same diameter as the single at the base?

#662 4 months ago
Quoted from gumnut01:

Is the double star post the same diameter as the single at the base?

Yes

#663 4 months ago

Thanks!!!

#664 4 months ago

Has anyone tried a steel conical grommet in the hole to transfer the squeezing of the larger post hole in the Playfield into a spreading pressure? If sized so that the #8 screw just fits, this should cancel any movement of the post that is causing the chippng and rippling. The top of the grommet would have to be slightly larger than the width of the hole so that when compressed it is snug.

I'm thinking that anything else Used as a solution could loosen and cause the same issue.

Getting my game next week. Excited to tear it apart

#665 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

For reference, the ZaphX comparison but with the Lowe's washers on black posts.
See the double notch lower post is barely taller than standard not installed but the single is REALLY jacked up. Presumably installed it's the same or even closer than here.
Within five games I had a sling escape on the single, through about 20 plays or so tonight I haven't had an escape on the doubles and the ball has been smooth off the slings at the minimal setting.
I think OP should put the double posts with Lowe's or gummy washer as THE official fix.
Though some posters swear the single stars work it's definitely the doubles that do.
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I had maybe three sling escapes on my stock game. Zero so far on single star posts. I thing you guys are stressing way too much about this.

#666 4 months ago

Looks like the official fix will be some sort of new washer from JJP and discount pf’s.

#667 4 months ago
Quoted from gliebig:

I had maybe three sling escapes on my stock game. Zero so far on single star posts. I thing you guys are stressing way too much about this.

No more stress!! But after I had my first sling escape after five plays I saw no need to wait for my second and switched to my doubles.

The standard protocol is doubles, but feel free to do what works for you.

As far as "new washers" are concerned, if they don't come with a swankier nicer wider post- which seems like a one in a million- I doubt Id be all that interested anyhow.

I made the switch because I wanted nicer posts that would still work, not just to try and protect against future wear.

Now a discounted spare playfield, that could be nice to make up for the trouble..

#668 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

No stress!! But after I had my first sling escape after five plays I saw no need to wait for my second and switched to my doubles. The standard protocol should be doubles, and everyone can do what they want.
As far as "new washers" are concerned, if they don't come with a swankier nicer wider post- which seems like a one in a million- I doubt Id be all that interested anyhow.
I made the switch because I wanted nicer posts that would still work, not just to try and protect against future wear.
Now a discounted spare playfield, that could be nice..

I asked about a discounted new playfield and never got a reply back.
At the same time I mentioned my playfield chipped to the wood.
It's not like I'm a first time buyer either.
I have had every title so far except Wonka.
This is the only game that has had this kind of playfield issue for me.

#669 4 months ago

I tried to buy a CE playfield on Monday and was told there are no more left for sale.

#670 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

No more stress!! But after I had my first sling escape after five plays I saw no need to wait for my second and switched to my doubles.
The standard protocol is doubles, but feel free to do what works for you.
As far as "new washers" are concerned, if they don't come with a swankier nicer wider post- which seems like a one in a million- I doubt Id be all that interested anyhow.
I made the switch because I wanted nicer posts that would still work, not just to try and protect against future wear.
Now a discounted spare playfield, that could be nice to make up for the trouble..

Not sure how doubles are standard protocol but I have well over 100 games played on single rubber star posts with ZERO escapes.
Maybe it’s the exotic brand loose rubber causing the issue of the escapes.

I’ll stick with the singles as long as they are working, doubles look like shit in my opinion.

#671 4 months ago
Quoted from pingod:

I asked about a discounted new playfield and never got a reply back.
At the same time I mentioned my playfield chipped to the wood.
It's not like I'm a first time buyer either.
I have had every title so far except Wonka.
This is the only game that has had this kind of playfield issue for me.

Not sure why they didn’t respond but they emailed me with the info.

#672 4 months ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Not sure how doubles are standard protocol but I have well over 100 games played on single rubber star posts with ZERO escapes.
Maybe it’s the exotic brand loose rubber causing the issue of the escapes.
I’ll stick with the singles as long as they are working, doubles look like shit in my opinion.

Why are you fighting this? They are standard protocol because they prevent sling escapes. Period.

100+ games without an escape may be good, but more users report them failing than those that dont. The doubles are 2 for 2- at least. Plus, the height evidence of the sling ring on the two is convincing.

So objectively- singles are a fail, and the doubles are the win.

As for myself- I never even tried the "exotic" superbands, unless you were referring to the stock Titans. Didn't want to put additional strain on the posts or the ball when I realized how ridiculous tight they were.

And the doubles are not visible installed. So the cosmetic point is basically moot.

#673 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

Why are you fighting this? They are standard protocol because they prevent sling escapes. Period.
100+ games without an escape may be good, but more users report them failing than those that dont. The doubles are 2 for 2- at least. Plus, the height evidence of the sling ring on the two is convincing.
So objectively- singles are a fail, and the doubles are the win.
As for myself- I never even tried the "exotic" superbands, unless you were referring to the stock Titans. Didn't want to put additional strain on the posts or the ball when I realized how ridiculous tight they were.
And the doubles are not visible installed. So the cosmetic point is basically moot.

Not fighting a damn thing, my game is working PERIOD. Why fuck more with it? There are many ways to skin this cat with a satisfactory result, mine worked on first attempt.
For you to say it is the std though is about as much nonsense as those saying chipping is normal wear.

Call JJP, they will tell you their answer. Had a nice chat with them today.

#674 4 months ago
Quoted from Psw757:

Not fighting a damn thing, my game is working PERIOD. Why fuck more with it? There are many ways to skin this cat with a satisfactory result, mine worked on first attempt.
For you to say it is the std though is about as much nonsense as those saying chipping is normal wear.
Call JJP, they will tell you their answer. Had a nice chat with them today.

JJP is good people but they tiny polycarbonate washers they sent my way wouldn't even cover the existing damage let alone protect it's radius. I put them in my coinbox.

You are correct about there are more than one way to skin this cat. There are TWO confirmed ways to skin this cat for games with ripply clear or with outright chipping.

The double post with the rubber washers and the double with the gummies. Everything else is confirmed hit and miss or all miss. Just the facts we've already seen man.

#675 4 months ago
Quoted from cheshirefilms:

JJP is good people but they tiny polycarbonate washers they sent my way wouldn't even cover the existing damage let alone protect it's radius. I put them in my coinbox.
You are correct about there are more than one fox. There are TWO confirmed ways to skin this cat for games with ripply clear or with outright chipping.
The double post with the rubber washers and the double with the gummies. Everything else is confirmed hit and miss or all miss. Just the facts we've already seen man.

I must be lucky I guess.

I would like to see everyone’s game issue free.

#676 4 months ago

To anyone that's placed the Lowe's neoprene washers, have they noticed any depressions from them in the clearcoat?

#677 4 months ago
Quoted from Psw757:

I must be lucky I guess.
I would like to see everyone’s game issue free.

I’m learning more and more that you have to actually put in some time and work if you truly want a flawless dialed in game.

My AFMr works great, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t 10 things I could do to make it better.

As for Pirates, I’m itching closer to a “perfect” game. Working on the disc silencer mod (I failed the first time, but I think it was my fault), audio, pesky plunger... Played on-site last night plunged 10-15 times to test and the forks moved ever so slightly if not at all every time and the plunder had great speed/power. I have to get this figured out.

Anyways, back on topic...

#678 4 months ago

For those without current damage, is there a translucent washer (neoprene?) option that would work the same? I’d like to keep the factory look if possible. Making a Marco order soon with double star posts.

#679 4 months ago
Quoted from joseph5185:

I’m learning more and more that you have to actually put in some time and work if you truly want a flawless dialed in game.
My AFMr works great, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t 10 things I could do to make it better.
As for Pirates, I’m itching closer to a “perfect” game. Working on the disc silencer mod (I failed the first time, but I think it was my fault), audio, pesky plunger... Played on-site last night plunged 10-15 times to test and the forks moved ever so slightly if not at all every time and the plunder had great speed/power. I have to get this figured out.
Anyways, back on topic...

Forks shouldn't move at all when plunged. Prop the playfield hooks as already documented. Easy fix.

#680 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Forks shouldn't move at all when plunged. Prop the playfield hooks as already documented. Easy fix.

Or just loosen the three screws for the shooter assembly and shift it within the cabinet as needed. Easiest fix I've had so far!

#681 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

Or just loosen the three screws for the shooter assembly and shift it within the cabinet as needed. Easiest fix I've had so far!

Yeah sometimes doing that still doesn't give you enough clearance though.

#682 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Yeah sometimes doing that still doesn't give you enough clearance though.

One or both should work for him. Should....

#683 4 months ago

Yea. I did it literally day 1 and it seemed to fix it, but I guess it wasn’t tightened enough and the issue returned.

Hopefully I can get it right again and then I’ll use loctite for a more secure fix.

#684 4 months ago

Back on topic?

For those without current damage, is there a translucent washer (neoprene?) option that would work the same? I’d like to keep the factory look if possible. Making a Marco order soon with double star posts.

#685 4 months ago
Quoted from paynemic:

Back on topic?
For those without current damage, is there a translucent washer (neoprene?) option that would work the same? I’d like to keep the factory look if possible. Making a Marco order soon with double star posts.

No. I searched all over for one and there just isn't an easy source for a clear, soft washer. Titan may be working on colored options for us in their material, but I haven't heard any updates. You can buy in gross from China if you are that motivated, and I'm sure you could get some buyers locally, but I haven't gone that far yet. Black posts hide the washers

#686 4 months ago

Well, shit. Ok, I guess different rubbers next.

I got some translucent “perfect play” ones from I think Pinball Life.

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#687 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

Well, shit. Ok, I guess different rubbers next.
I got some translucent “perfect play” ones from I think Pinball Life.[quoted image]

Hammer time....again?!?!?

#688 4 months ago

I have not removed the posts on my slingshots yet, but they look fine as they are now (well, I have played only ca. 10 games on my NIB game, so no wonder they do not show any wear. The game is a November build.

However, in order to prepare for the chipping, please advice on which of the washers should I use? The metal ones or the clear ones (from playfield protectors)? The plastic ones seem to be a bit fatter, but smaller in diameter. They both are not much bigger than the posts, but I think it is a good thing, as I will be putting in the game also a PF protector and I am hoping that they PF protector would not overlap the washers. It might be a really close call though.

EDIT: I also bought a set of black rubber seal washers - might they be of any use? I guess they would be applied under the post (provided the post is ok) and the metal/plastic washer would then not be used?

(I do not have access to rubber washers, so I have to skip that plan and also the star posts would overlap the PF protector I think, so its a no-go.)

Have a look at the pics and thank you for any advice!
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#689 4 months ago

To prevent ss escapes: lower the coil power. Factory setting does give the ball a high speed velocity that I have almost never seen in a pinball. I believe that should prevent the hammer out of the rubber problem.
I don’t believe the kind of rubber makes a difference.

#690 4 months ago
Quoted from Nepi23:

I have not removed the posts on my slingshots yet, but they look fine as they are now (well, I have played only ca. 10 games on my NIB game, so no wonder they do not show any wear. The game is a November build.
However, in order to prepare for the chipping, please advice on which of the washers should I use? The metal ones or the clear ones (from playfield protectors)? The plastic ones seem to be a bit fatter, but smaller in diameter. They both are not much bigger than the posts, but I think it is a good thing, as I will be putting in the game also a PF protector and I am hoping that they PF protector would not overlap the washers. It might be a really close call though.
EDIT: I also bought a set of black rubber seal washers - might they be of any use? I guess they would be applied under the post (provided the post is ok) and the metal/plastic washer would then not be used?
(I do not have access to rubber washers, so I have to skip that plan and also the star posts would overlap the PF protector I think, so its a no-go.)
Have a look at the pics and thank you for any advice!
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You want rubber washers, not o-rings or hard plastic ones. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/potc-who-has-playfield-dimples-cracking-wear-around-star-posts-/page/9#post-4999401

#691 4 months ago

He mentioned he doesn't have access to rubber washers.

Send him some HH!

#692 4 months ago

Thanks. Would you consider using metal washers under the posts a better alternative to plastic washers?

I might have to get the star posts and rubbers, but as they are not readily available for me, I am trying to use an alternative, which I know not being ideal and not as good as the official fix - but however better than have nothing under the posts.

#693 4 months ago

Man these slings and posts are getting a ton of attention

Getting a CE and is there a consensus on what to do right out of the box with washers/sling posts?

#694 4 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Man these slings and posts are getting a ton of attention
Getting a CE and is there a consensus on what to do right out of the box with washers/sling posts?

Your likely going to have the large metal ones that apparently can’t be removed easily for some reason.

Could be good or bad, not sure. Lol

#695 4 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Man these slings and posts are getting a ton of attention
Getting a CE and is there a consensus on what to do right out of the box with washers/sling posts?

I thought I read you lost the preorder at Pinballstar? How'd you snag one of these badboys?

People seem to feel neoprene washer, double star. I'll be using a circle of mylar too.

#696 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

He mentioned he doesn't have access to rubber washers.
Send him some HH!

Done.

Quoted from Nepi23:

Thanks. Would you consider using metal washers under the posts a better alternative to plastic washers?
I might have to get the star posts and rubbers, but as they are not readily available for me, I am trying to use an alternative, which I know not being ideal and not as good as the official fix - but however better than have nothing under the posts.

Don't use metal washers or anything hard, it will indent the playfield.

Send me your address in a PM. I'll see how much it is to send you an envelope with rubber washers.

#697 4 months ago
Quoted from harryhoudini:

Done.

Don't use metal washers or anything hard, it will indent the playfield.
Send me your address in a PM. I'll see how much it is to send you an envelope with rubber washers.

You the man Harry! (Didn't mean to toss you into the fire like that.)

You seem a pretty community oriented guy. Good on ya!

#698 4 months ago
Quoted from Maurice:

To prevent ss escapes: lower the coil power. Factory setting does give the ball a high speed velocity that I have almost never seen in a pinball. I believe that should prevent the hammer out of the rubber problem.
I don’t believe the kind of rubber makes a difference.

I think he already did this..

#699 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

I thought I read you lost the preorder at Pinballstar? How'd you snag one of these badboys?
People seem to feel neoprene washer, double star. I'll be using a circle of mylar too.

I ended up working out a trade for one

Thx!

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