Picked my nib le up yesterday and have everything set up. Should I put the neoprene washers under the post on the slings the game came with? Any other post that need attention? For the record there are no washers under my post.

Best course is to call JJP for the polycarbonate washers and don't play any more games till you install them.

Not saying they're fail-proof- its still a hard surface to the clear- but they're what JJP installs on the new games and way less risky than naked post to clear..

Ideally- I'd think you should get neoprene washers that are the exact size of the existing posts, since even 3/4" neoprene versions of the polycarbonate would likely curl.

They don't exist yet to my knowledge, however.

Probably sell it before this happens

You don't even own the game, offer opinions for fixes, troll others to sell- so..

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Sorry you are wrong, even the star posts from the factory are making the clear wavy.

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Not yet. But out of several hundred games setup stock, it happened maybe two or three times. It's really of zero concern to me.

All the way. Extreme low power! I think it was a 14 ms pulse time.

Gorilla tight right there.

The selling is a joke. When I get the game, I will be doing The fix that I'm suggesting.

Mine escaped last mine escaped the slings last night. Have not changed the posts. Sling strength down to minimum. So it happens before post modification.

Just checked the JJPOTC at Boxcar in Raleigh, it’s #183 LE. It’s got the same issue.

Disclaimer: I do not own this machine and just want to help with other people’s issues

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That's a CE not an LE! Wow, surprised to see a CE on location.

Oh man. That's a Collector's Edition....

I wonder why they'd place that on route. I've heard Sunshine does the same thing.

It doesn’t play well.
Has the SDTM Tortuga issue at least.

It is surprising that it’s on location.

I played it.

Boxcar has 3 locations- all stern LEs and JJP LEs and CEs. They have some nice pins. I go to the Greensboro location every few weeks. Boxcar Greensboro only has Dialed In LE and Hobbit LE

That’s the one I haven’t been to.
I thought they just had the two.

Unfortunately, RR WOZ at Durham also had issues. Ball would keep getting stuck in the upper right playfield and pretty much kill the game and it happened multiple times.

Not all tables are bad, though..

I was incorrect. It appears they have glued the washers to the post. Couldn’t tell until I removed some of the post to put the neoprene washers on.

On a bright note this game is killer. I have to say Eric did an amazing job with this game.

The spinning disc is still loud. My born on date is 3/12/19.

Soccer ball in WCS is much worse. You could contact Yelobird about the mod couples disc silencing kit

I’m happy to report that the star posts with the Lowe’s neoprene washer works fine with very and I mean very minor leaf switch adjustment.

Doesn’t look bad either, went with 2 teal and 1 amber on each side and don’t see how these washers could dig in.

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Congrats! Looks great. No more chipping for you sir! Still waiting for JJP to reply but if have not heard anything by next week will do the same.

I just hope my ripple under the star post under the ramp does not chip. It is so close to the roll over I don’t think I can protect it. Other people have shown the photo multiple times.

Maybe a cliffy could be made to sit under this star post and under the rollover? May obscure too much playfield. Is a high traffic area.

Looks fantastic and love those flippers as well !

I just wanted to get playing this great game again.

That cliffy your describing may not look too good, you want least intrusive as possible.

I have a feeling the JJP remedy is going to be a decal, not sure why but just a hunch. After having these star posts on I like the look better.

Very nice work! Do keep us in the loop as to how things hold up with these installed. I think I'll get to my own tomorrow.

Did you put mylar down at all in addition?

I did not add Mylar under the neoprene washer. Just don’t see a benefit with how they washers feel. I was hesitant to put anything that was adhesive over any of the cracked or flaked area as it would likely remove material if ever removed or it it shifted during game play.

These neoprene washers are soft enough to compress under pressure but firm enough to provide a adequate level of support for the base of star post. I feel like they should not slide or shift under the post either.

One observation I made that may be a contributing factor to damage cause by the original sling posts with sharp edges is the way the holes are drilled into the pf for the sling post.

Compared to some of the other machines I have that I checked, the sling posts require just a little more torque than some of my other machines to prevent the sling post from being wobbly. This could be the cause of the rippling everywhere. General overtightening but I still firmly believe the cracks and chips are from the posts with the sharp edges.

Maybe change out to the perfect plays you have on order before you switch your posts again. I know you've got a lot of plays on your game, the Titans' sling performance is affected after a while and maybe need to be changed as worn out? Could be wrong but if right it's certainly the better fix of the two..

Only had the game for 2 weeks. Maybe 100 games tops.

The holes in the playfield are too big for the bolt, so the bolt can move around. Other games have a much smaller hole and the bolt is snug. This contributes to the posts having to be over tightened so they don’t move around.

I think they made the hole to fit the larger t-nut underneath.

Exactly, this has me scratching my head on why they did this.

Forgot to add that I played several games and using the factory rubbers and zero hammer escapes of rapid fires.

Is this the only Jersey Jack machine doing this?

Pardon early morning post I misread this one completely. Very interesting. I'm tempted to ask Evan Smith our local tech wizard what he'd do if anything to help control these symptoms.

Sadly no, they have all had issues at one time. woz had big chunks of art by the pop bumpers chip and peel off, dialed in had paint chips around the scoop with very low plays.

It is a shame you feel the need to post this

High traffic or not, I think if routed PoTCs haven't cracked in this spot yet it's probably fairly safe in the home environment, even with the tiny bit of rippling being annoying, as it is around all the other posts in the machine. As before, turn down sling intensity to minimum as best practice in this zone as well.

Haven’t seen any issues with other jjp games. The trees on woz was fairly limited and only on heavily routed games. I have no cliffys on the hobbit and have no wear anywhere. Dialed in had cracking on the sim hole post, but a cliffy addresses that.

I think your assessment is correct assuming you don’t have any f’ed up sharp bottom posts on your machine.

I would check them all and if they are sharp either file them down to a smooth flat bottom or replace.

If there is any cracking or flaking I think Mylar is a mistake and calculus likely never be removed without further damage.

Don’t think these post will spin on the neoprene and don’t think the neoprene washer itself can spin as long as they are right.

The way this neoprene feels I’m confident tightening slightly more is ok without incurring further damage to the PF.

rubber and neoprene are probably the best vibration dampening materials you can use. Should absorb much of the energy instead of transferring directly to the PF.

Ok, I got my double star posts. I compared the height with the originals.

You can see here: original post, double star with silcone washer, and star with silicone washer. The channel on the double star is almost perfectly where the original post channel was.

I am pretty happy with this and hopefully this is case closed.

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Seems to me that the wider drilled holes are possibly a big part of the culprit. I don’t think it would ripple without the lateral movement. Has anyone tried putting a sleeve over the screw to prevent this movement?

PinMonk what are your thoughts here, neoprene washers, star posts and mylar or no mylar?

Cool! Play the heck out of it to confirm this resolved the slipped hammer issue.

Regardless- I'm going to follow your lead (thank you), as it is common sense that the sling height should be the same if possible post-mod.

Side note- I forgot for a moment the sling plastics go back on, so when done I'd not really find the extra notch to stand out as much. In any event, the game playing error free and safely takes precedent over all.

See below for BLACK double posts from Marco for those interested to align on top of the black neoprene washer from Lowe's.

While the clear looks great I just want to fix this and forget it, and I know those gummy washers you use are a bit controversial, with the eating the post rumors and stuff.

Plus, 'blacking it out" is kind of a cool mod spin on it.

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We've already discussed in the club forum that this clear is different, softer stuff more likely to absorb man overboard drops and not crack. Though dimples are also much more apparent with the change.

Earlier games like Hobbit with "harder" clear had clearcoat/insert crack problems with airballage.

Obviously continuous slingshot post pressure was not taken into account when making this change.

Thus, the thing "WRONG" with the playfield is that the posts don't have recessed areas where the posts can sit independent of the clear. No more, no less.

And Lowe's black neoprene washers with double black star posts from Marco are the fix!!!

Pinball- always something...

*The gummies that ZaphX uses may work as well as the black neoprene but are controversial as they may chemically eat that star post plastic itself.

I’ve been thinking the same thing... if the t-nut underneath is solid, and the original thin posts inner shaft is tight where you almost have to press it onto the bolt, then the bolt doesn’t need to be very tight at all, just snug. Then the bolt / t-nut takes all the force of ball hits. My Pirates arrives next week and is probably one of the last off the line - fingers crossed there’s washers already installed.

Well, for location games maybe. I suspect home games are good to go once properly washered and star posted, like TNA.