ad for LE 25K!! .
30K by tomorrow

DI is JJP's best shooter by far. Nothing is even close. Everything else has NO flow and way to much stop and go. I just do not get the love for some of these JJPs. I guess the lights and bling and multiball are the attraction.

I have this game, and for the life of me I don't understand the "buzz" ....

I agree that DI is a good shooter, but Wonka shoots way better than DI.

Wonka is like torture to me for some reason. I have yet to finish a 3 ball game without walking away. I guess I need to give a whirl again.

Give it a shot....Like most JJP games it takes 20+ games to even understand what the heck is going on code wise.

It is a genuinely great game; most of the reviews dogging it are along the lines of "Uh, I don't know what to do. It sucks because I can't be bothered to learn the rules".

That being said even I am tempted to sell mine if things are really getting this out of control!

Well I have lost 40 pounds since the pandemic started. So sexy...so...me...

Oh yeah....

Well the simple way of putting this is anyone I know who is a good player (competes in tourneys etc) owns zero JJP games.

JJPs market is the "wow look at all that stuff going on" trophy hunting crowd not the players.

You know.. the guys who sell their games after 2 years and they have under 100 plays on them.

I own a JJP game and I wouldn't fit your definition.

I am definitely a competitive player and I am about the exact opposite of someone who values condition/bling over gameplay. I don't need a pristine trophy piece of a game as long as it looks presentable and plays like it should. And I certainly don't chase the games that Pinside or anyone else says are good, I play the games and make up my own mind on how much they appeal to me. JJP games are some of the deepest, most challenging games out there, which is why they are perfect for good players and/or home environments. IMHO, you can't fully appreciate a game like POTC on route just dropping coins in it. It's too difficult, there is to much to it and there is to much to do.

It genuinely is.

Just for reference I sold mine last year for 12500 but it also had a couple of Lior mods (ship and apron frame). The Lior ship mod is already worth $2k easy which is crazy because it's like 4 times what it was originally sold for. But because it was a limited mod, people are going crazy over it.

The game is good...not even sure if it is top 5. But rarity plus good game equals $$$. Not sure why people are complaining though. I can ask whatever I want for my games, why do you care?

I really hate this argument. It's practically the mantra of the JJP crowd at this point. I've gotten to play several different examples of POTC, and I've managed to get very deep into the game on several occasions. I have most certainly experienced a lot of what it has to offer. I just don't find the game to be all that fun. I don't dislike it, I just don't feel the need to play it anymore.

I don't so much think this is a JJP thing but rather a Keith Johnson reason for many tourney players. Keefer games tend to be deep and play really long. LOTR, TSPP, and WPT aren't exactly favorites with the tournament crowd either but they are excellent games for home enjoyment.

I wouldn't necessarily make this argument for every JJP game, and I'm far from the "JJP Crowd" as I only own 1 to my 6 other Stern games, but I certainly think it applies for POTC. I'm not saying you can't like or appreciate JJP POTC by playing it on route...I know I did originally so I definitely know it's possible. I'm also not saying that I think everyone has to like the game, I know people value different things in a game. If you think you can fully experience and appreciate 22 characters with different abilities across the 5 different movies with the crazy deep ruleset and countless ways to play and/or get high scores that the game has to offer by dropping $1 per game on route in a usually noisy bar/arcade where the game may or may not always play as it should...then more power to you.

It's like TOM/ToTAN - not a great game for a competition style player or one who loves fast/brutal SS style, but a game that can strike awe and happiness in many who just get taken back by the package.

It's a great game - but these people willing to blow their wad like this at scale is disturbing.

I considered selling mine given the current prices, but then I came to my senses!

Perhaps I'll let it go at some point for a fair price:

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I felt sorry for the poor bastards who bought original MM and MB for 15k - 20k before word the remakes. Their purchases at those lofty prices led to the remakes and then their prices plummeted. Id love a POTC (without Depps pic, but Im being picky) - but I will be patient. With this demand how could Jack not re-release it? Aren't they rebooting POTC movies? Let the clock tick away, build desire and demand, then offer CE's for 15k and watch them sell out in an hour.

...and if you have bought an LE for 20k...well enjoy!! But don't bitch about the remakes...please, it seems inevitable.

And for the non-multi millionaires like me, Ill order a POTC remake LE, for like 12k or something stupid. Ok, fine...just don't put Depp's face in the middle of it...please?

If they announce this year I imagine same price structure with what they just did with GNR. Any later than this year who knows way things are going.

That would have been extremes. No one was paying that kind of money for games consistently except the real rare titles. MM was demanding pretty much the highest of any of the normally produced games.. and a beater would still get like 7-8k... but people weren't paying 15k+ unless they were a HEP or something. The game was more like 12-13k price point.. and that's why everyone jumped at the idea of a fresh NIB 8k MMr. And MB was never near those price points.

Think more about those people who spent so much time and energy trying to piece one together since Wayne had been filling the parts inventory for so long before MMr. That would have felt really awful when MMr was announced

There is zero chance it gets remade. Here is to hoping though.

I'm not sure how you can say zero unless you have some inside information. Slim chance, I agree, zero? Anything is possible with enough cash.

At least with all these flooding the market at the same time price is bound to be driven downwards, if only temporarily, as there are only so many buyers at this price point who are now able to take advantage of many sellers

There's a much greater than 0% chance. Even Jack on a recent phone call estimates there's a 20% chance. The license is still active. I'd put the odds at >50% given JJP's past track record with re running old titles like WOZ. It might not be this year but I bet we will see more at some point in time.

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Don't go backwards, focus on > 1 game every ~1.5-2 years!

Just from a biz perspective its a shame for them they dont have the ability to keep up with demand.

Nothing worse than leaving piles on money on the table as a business.

I feel like they cut bait on that game because of its high cost and poor reliability. It really seemed like they couldn’t cease production of That game fast enough, was just an all around headache for JJP from the start. Remember “spinner” and “moving chest-gate?” And the endless delays that turned a dark night for Stern into a gorgeous sun shiny morning?

I don’t think they want any part of that game anymore, not worth the trouble.

They cut bait because it was the usual bitch and moan session from the peanut gallery... looked like the game wouldnt sell great so on to the next.

The last thing they want to do is make a ton of games no one will buy and thats what it looked like at the time.

The demand for more didnt seem to be there so thats that.

Whooooppps.

So why not just run it again? They’ve run WOZ Like 6 times.

Because they aren't that nimble... for them to rerun something they have to gear up for months

In this case probably cant get parts anymore etc etc.

They cant even get GNR out the door how the hell they going to do another game

So Jack says they probably won't run it again, there is a 20% chance and they only have a year left on the license. You take that information and say greater than 50% odds. Haha...ok.

so is stern the only one who can do multiple games at once? I swear Jack said they would be able to produce 2 games at once.

With a 3000 backlog of GNR to get out, I think that'll take JJP probably months to catch up.

He may have said that but based on the backorders on GNR maybe he was projecting well out into the future?

At the moment they cant even keep up on the one game on the line, never mind two.

I would assume extra capacity is one of the reasons they moved but covid has put a wrench in that Im sure.

That’s what I was telling folks. It was a bitch to get into production, hard to build when it was, and they had Wonka in the wings... and then GNR which has really taken off for JJP. All that and the license is problematic with Depp on the shit list and Disney moving on. While maybe JJP could run a couple hundred more if they needed to it seems like a long shot at best.

Who knows tho man, crazy things can happen.

Dunno, game is designed, fixtures to build exist. They already have the license.

The real questions are, will gnr keep them busy for the year?
How many machines do they have to build in order for the order quantities for parts to make sense.
How sales of other games are doing.
How far off is their next game as they wind up the gnr builds.

All great questions. All speculated answers. For my money it’s probably down to the issue of can they build and market and sell enough POTC easily enough to justify the production. And obviously if they are building them because of the demand and the price jump, what do they charge? The 8500 SE / 9500 LE model seems like it’s off the table... although they do have CE numbers left in the chamber too?

To me it just adds up to easier to make money elsewhere, and even before I owned a game I felt like that... other wise buying one at what I paid (slightly over MSRP at the time) would have felt a little silly.

Also does it make more sense to go back to POTC instead of WOZ which is what they seem to have done in the past. I haven’t seen any articles about the Tin Man slapping his wife around lately...

My thoughts exactly, he ran the last run of WOZ when there was basically no demand for it.

This is is just dumb, but happening across newer pin ads “w/less than 200 plays and mods” asking way above avail nib.
Pinside used to laugh off this stuff.
No way - walk away.

If done again with way prices are right now in secondary they be foolish to do anything under $13K. If there is another run I would be very surprised if Depp is on that machine. A Black Pearl LE perhaps as someone mentioned. Very limited run. I think they know their limits short term unless things start changing for them from a production standpoint. But then again with Covid this last year and their move during JJP still needs to get situated.

That's exactly what I'm saying. The fact that Jack said even 20% is telling. Of course he isn't going to say that it's higher than that because they are selling GNR and Wonka right now. I think we'll see a special (and expensive) run done by the end of this year.

It will be fun to come back to this post in a year and see if I was right.

People said the same thing last year, and weren't.

They should really make a Speculation Pirates game! Toss in a monkey mech in place of Johnny. All targets are different bids for an older model. Etc.

You guys need to understand that it's perfect from a marketing perspective for JJP to have a popular title in small edition that requires a high price among collectors. it justifies charging well for upcoming releases and demonstrates to buyers that the games can be an investment. JJp would lose in the long run in producing more Pirates. that's exactly how you hype a brand today, check out car, watch and lots of other industries where there are collectors.

The LE's weren't >$20K last year either. JJP is watching the current market closely. The game may be a PITA to make but if the demand and $$$ is there, they'll make more. It wouldn't surprise me if they cut the run of GNR short this fall before full demand is satiated, run JPOTC for a couple months (500 games), and then move on to Toy Story. When the demand for GNR gets pent-up again in late 2022 or early 2023 they'll bring it back again at a higher price... and the cycle continues. The key is to always leave people wanting more and not run the game for so long that prices and demand fizzle.

My only suggestion real or not to JJP is that pinball buyers talk a lot until Money is at stake. IF there is even a consideration the only way to judge this as a business plan opportunity is to call the markets bluff. Call all distributors to start taking $1,000 Non Refundable deposits on a run of POTCLE for $12,500 each 2-6 month production estimate. The run total or cut off would be determined by the company and their business plan. They also have the right at Any point to determine the interest is Not what we assume and refund all deposits as not viable. Simple enough. We/They will find out the markets Real interest in just a few short weeks.

....an EVEN higher price!

Thank god it is not Spooky making them .

Exactly, wise thoughts