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Posting CL deals. Yay or nay


By the_pin_family

8 years ago



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    “To post or not to post, that is the question.Posting killer CL deals on the forums, yay or nay”

    • Your going to screw someone's deal. I say NAY. 57 votes
      59%
    • Your going to do more good than harm. I say YAY . 40 votes
      41%

    (97 votes)

    There are 73 posts in this topic. You are on page 2 of 2.
    #51 8 years ago

    I try to have it in my car before someone has time to post it on pinside.

    #52 8 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I say yes. If someone got a HS2 for $500 off of CL in California, that's a steal worth talking about.

    Kwiki,

    Unless I am, I think you may be misunderstanding. It is not about whether to make known a good find you have bought, but whether posting info re a current CL ad is detrimental to interested buyers.

    Dan

    #53 8 years ago
    Quoted from MrWizzo:

    Kwiki,

    Unless I am, I think you may be misunderstanding. It is not about whether to make known a good find you have bought, but whether posting info re a current CL ad is detrimental to interested buyers.

    Dan

    Mr. Wizzo,

    I think if it's a rare or sought after game, I say yes. I know it may be damaging to buyers, but down here in SD, you don't see too many pins for sale.

    Nicolas

    #54 8 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I say yes. If someone got a HS2 for $500 off of CL in California, that's a steal worth talking about.

    It was $600

    And pretty sure everyone is talking about BEFORE the sale.

    But honestly, I could care less if people post CL ads here. That HS2 was listed for over a week at $850 on CL, when I finally e-mailed him it took a couple of days to get him on the phone and go pick it up. I don't think the listing being posted on here would have made a lick of difference on how quick or how cheap the pin sold for, it's all circumstantial.

    The only other Pinsider I know of in the area even told me that he was trying to get in touch with the seller, but did not get a response.

    Maybe I just got lucky, but if it was listed on here and I didn't get it, I wouldn't blame the poster at all. It's called the WORLD Wide Web people, that includes Craigslist and Pinside.

    Too many people are too quick to look for someone else to blame for their own misfortune...just deal with it.

    #55 8 years ago
    Quoted from marlboroa:

    I held it for the first guy.

    I do the same thing. First contact has first crack even if I wait a day for him. It is the right thing to do even if more money is offered IMO. People are usually surprised when I stand behind my word. Makes me wonder about how others do business.

    #56 8 years ago
    Quoted from BrianZ:

    Why not..?
    By the time we post it, the sharks have it anyway. Plus, some of the C/L ads are such a mess they are worth a good laugh.
    I might be missing it. How is it screwing anyone?

    I totally agree and say yes. Post them up. If the person posting cant afford it or doesnt want it or need it. Why should anyone else care if he posts it or not. Just so some guy across the country that really wants it but cant realistically get it because shipping kills it? Or its somehow going to get scooped up by a pinsider because the deal is that good (I have news for you, its already sold by this point anyways).

    Bottom line. Post up the ads. The justification of not posting them is just silly IMO.

    #57 8 years ago

    email a buddy if they are looking for the certain machine otherwsie someone here wil snipe it from ya

    #58 8 years ago

    how can a guy with SS in his screenname be wrong

    #59 8 years ago

    it depends on the game. here where i am in northern ca some pins sit for weeks even months on c/l. and not just dogs. there was an ok fish tales for 1,650 that sat for 6 or 7 weeks until it was sold. right no there is a rocky & bullwinkle for 2,000 i called on for a coworker. the seller has called me back 4 times since sunday. he has had it listed for weeks and no one but me has even called about it.so if i see something like this and i know someone will want it i will post. as others have stated,if its a hot title it will be gone fast. if it sets for a while and i remember someone looking for that title i will post it.

    #60 8 years ago
    Quoted from FlipperMagician:

    Too many people are too quick to look for someone else to blame for their own misfortune...just deal with it.

    That is the bottom line. Nicely said. I would bet that there is a direct correlation between a person assigning blame and their inability to accept personal responsibility. Kind of self evident.

    Dan

    #61 8 years ago

    I vote NO. Let buyers do their own homework. Posting hard-to-find games and deals on forums such as Pinside makes it easy on those who don't do enough searching/digging/looking on their own, and hinders the efforts of those who do.

    So, once again, I vote NO.

    #62 8 years ago

    I had a C.List Alert going there 4-a While.. I Stopped post-n !!

    http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/craigs-list-alert

    #63 8 years ago

    Your heart is in the right place, but like some others said...why waste the effort when the good deal probably has a bunch of interested buyers in that area.

    #64 8 years ago

    if you have the gift of the gab and really know how to talk with people you can pass over a lot of ppl in front of ya when pinball hunting on C-list.
    Even those 20 something year old Sharks who buy and sell the same day & have enough energy left over to party 1/2 the night.
    Talking with people is almost a lost art everyone is in a hurry they bypass what is.... the up most importance in a good conversation.
    Have you ever been out to perhaps a Tavern or Pub and some fellow starts talking and eventually
    people stop and take note , get closer and want to hear and be a part of what's unfolding?
    Once you learn the Art your perspectives will change and Perhaps your Pinball scores /hauls will go up a few notches?
    It takes time and practice but success can be archived in a relative short amount of time................

    #65 8 years ago

    I have in the past but I think now it is best to not post them.
    I agree though if you know a local guy looking hook up your local enthusiast if your not buying it.

    Odds are good if it is a great deal then it is gone before you told them.

    #66 8 years ago
    Quoted from MrWizzo:

    FlipperMagician said:
    Too many people are too quick to look for someone else to blame for their own misfortune...just deal with it.

    That is the bottom line. Nicely said. I would bet that there is a direct correlation between a person assigning blame and their inability to accept personal responsibility. Kind of self evident.

    Dan

    Thanks, and nicely said yourself, reminds me of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Check it out, interesting read...

    Quoted from triumph:

    Pinside makes it easy on those who don't do enough searching/digging/looking on their own, and hinders the efforts of those who do.

    I would hardly call Craigslist--searching/digging/looking.... Just "standard" if you want to buy a pin.

    #67 8 years ago

    Yeah I say no. My other collecting forum has a strict no eBay or anything until the listing is closed.
    This could hurt me in the end on finding a machine but it's something I'm used to already and think its pretty fair. No harm in private messaging some one you know of a deal though.

    #68 8 years ago

    You can keep citing the exception, that one time where posting on piside indirectly helped someone. You inferred that it happens all the time, it doesn't.

    Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

    Actually he got the pin because I posted it on Pinside otherwise he would not have known about it. The incident resulted in me meeting two very cool Pinsiders in my area so I am glad that I posted it. Either way it is clear I will not sway your opinion and you will not sway mine so got to go to each their own on this one. If I see a great deal that I am not interested in I wouldn't hesitate to post it here for others.

    Quoted from The_Dude_Abides:

    It works both ways Pinsiders have also gotten pins because of such posts

    I thought that's what the thread was about. Games that are insanely cheap. If the price is fair, the ad is goofy, the game is overpriced, whatever are not what we are talking about. Post away.

    Quoted from MrWizzo:

    Again it seems that you depend on extreme examples,

    What about this scenario. What about a scenario where a pinsider was the first caller and was promised a great deal on a pin, but the seller wouldn't let them pick it up for a couple days. Then, another pinsider for the good of all pinsiders posts the deal. One day after the deal is posted, and one day before the pinsider was suppose to pick up the game the seller backs out and states that around the time it was posted on pinside they got bombarded and have changed their mind.

    Post, don't post, you are going to do what you want anyway. But to think for a second that your helping anyone is illogical. Of course it can happen, but the vast majority of the time you are exposing the deal to people who will kill it.

    #69 8 years ago

    Just don't post CL deals.

    It frustrates buying. More prospective buyers = greater prices and more pain in the ass. Who wants to compete against more buyers?

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    #70 8 years ago
    Quoted from jalpert:

    What about this scenario. What about a scenario where a pinsider was the first caller and was promised a great deal on a pin, but the seller wouldn't let them pick it up for a couple days. Then, another pinsider for the good of all pinsiders posts the deal. One day after the deal is posted, and one day before the pinsider was suppose to pick up the game the seller backs out and states that around the time it was posted on pinside they got bombarded and have changed their mind.

    Post, don't post, you are going to do what you want anyway. But to think for a second that your helping anyone is illogical. Of course it can happen, but the vast majority of the time you are exposing the deal to people who will kill it.

    If a person knows someone is pursuing the game and does it anyway, then that person is really a putz.

    Although not an unreasonable example you give above, for me at least it calls into question the integrity of the seller more than whether generating additional interest creates a problem. It could be argued that the additional interest generated sways the seller into hand-wringing greed, but who can know that?

    This nonsense is not confined only to CL. If you have a minute, read my post on "What would you have done?" a recent experience with a hoser selling a FH here and on RGP. In the initial conversation, I had a red flag and expected the other shoe to drop, and sure enough it did. He did the exact thing he said he wouldn't do.

    If a person lacks integrity, they will create their own justification for their action, so I am unsure that any approach protects against that. Such a person needs no encouragement.

    As far as being illogical, that seems an invalid objection as there are cases cited where it has been helpful, so this again is a bit of an extreme desiring to make your point. Maybe you chose the wrong word. I am trying to be constructively critical, not belittle or attack you. The majority of "always" and "never" statements are false. Much of the issues in the world are grey as this one is. I wish we all had the security of things always being black and white, but we don't.

    People are people. Chances are if you and I did a deal, it would go off without a hitch. I know I don't fit the above category (sadly, I have had to learn from past mistakes which have taught me greater concern for integrity), and despite often airing opinions that counter my thinking, I doubt you do either.

    As I said earlier, this thread has influenced my thinking as I am now more aware of what can happen, but I am not going to be dogmatic about it or insist that others do the same. There will be other pins to be had, and other arguments to consider.

    #71 8 years ago

    Kind of an interesting thread. The last thing I would want to do is ruin another persons chances of getting a good deal. I'm possibly tainet by my market, which as soon as a good deal posted, it is instantly snatched. Put bluntly, I seriously doubt a pinside posting will ruin someones chances.
    Most serious buyers are running mutiple Craiglist search tools to find deals, along with iPhone apps to monitor postings in several cities near real time. Within a few minutes of posting, most good deals are already jumped on with floods of emails. I just dont see that pinside posting would make this worse.

    I guess i'm kinda split on the whole thing. In the end it might just be bad idea because it consumes PINSIDE board space. Most members are aware of the other CL tool lists to find deals.

    #72 8 years ago

    I agree. Unfortunately, it seems more and more that sellers aren't keeping to their word. I found a decent craigslist deal, and they accepted my paypal over the phone. Their word was one thing, but once you take money the deal is done. Long story short, they run a boho auction anyway and end up with a couple hundred more. My price was actually pretty fair, since their auction didn't yield much more money, the game was pretty rough, needed board work etc. I actually had to fight to get all my money back.

    Quoted from MrWizzo:

    Although not an unreasonable example you give above, for me at least it calls into question the integrity of the seller more than whether generating additional interest creates a problem.

    Just one so far, and there are always exceptions.

    Quoted from MrWizzo:

    As far as being illogical, that seems an invalid objection as there are cases cited where it has been helpful

    In the end, yes, it takes a crappy seller to screw you out of a deal. But when the phone rings non stop, they then think they are sitting on gold and that's when the silliness begins.

    #73 8 years ago

    Very interesting. All have a valid point. All good arguments. It's a 60/40 split, infavor of nay. I am a little suprised. I posted this poll because I was undecided. This is my take.

    We all know the two sides to this argument.
    A: it's going to kill the deal for diligent locals who watch CL for months looking for the great deals

    B: I'm trying to help fellow collectors and share these exciting deals.

    I personally think both these instances are extremely rare. Practically never happen. Good CL deals are gone in minutes. So the point is almost always mute. If a deal is that good, there's enough viewers on CL alone to Kill the deal. CL viewers will offer more money or give the seller a heads up that there price is to low just like forum members do. This is going to happen without the forums help. The chances it was the forums fault is astronomical, unprovable and illogical. There's just to many other influences. With all the competition what are the chances of you seeing a CL steal, posting it on a forum, me reading it and responding in time to get the deal. Again astronomical. Then the post sits on the forum for hours and days. That's when it would do the damage. When it's been posted on the fourm for 8 hours and the deal had already been made. It gets read and responded to by late comers. At this point there not going to get the pin, there's already 10 people in line. All there going to do is sour the seller. Sour from the realization his price was to low and sour from the headaches. If a CL deal is posted maybe it should be removed in 1 hour? Maybe not. Is that censorship? IDK the answer to that either. What I can tell is it's almost forum ediqute to not post these deals. At this point I would have to vote it would do more harm than good to post a CL steal and it bothers %60 of the members. I'll probably refrain.

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