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Poor Fire! System 11 CPU board

By arakissun

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

I will try ti save this board for a customer.
Very very bad one.
Let's see what will happen.
Several pictures of the progress.

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#2 6 years ago

1-phase-all holes one by one cleaned with cutter knife very carefully.Checked every trace and all of them are OK.
2-phase-reflow all holes.
3-phase-made this beautiful holes.
This was the hardest work.

Next it to replace all elements again near the corrosion area,upper left corner and some of 2n6427 transistors because they are corroded too and the elements around Timer 555.

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#3 6 years ago

Looking good!

Be sure to wipe off your camera lens--it's filthy, and that's why you're getting blurry photos.

#4 6 years ago

I made the photos with my phone.
Any source for cheap 6821P?
I can see only blank IC from Chine.Is it possible to be programming?
I have 5 but 4 of them will be gone for this board and I want to have some for spare again.

#5 6 years ago
Quoted from arakissun:

I made the photos with my phone.

It's probably covered in grime from being in your pocket. I normally wipe off the lens every time I take out my phone to take photos. Otherwise, you end up with blurry photos like this.

Quoted from arakissun:

I can see only blank IC from Chine.Is it possible to be programming?

I don't quite understand what you're asking. Are you looking for EPROMs too?

#6 6 years ago

PIA 6821P
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10PCS-IC-MC6821-MC6821P-MOTOROLA-DIP40-NEW-/191908287574?hash=item2caea01456:g:GEcAAOSwgY9Xciki

These.When I asked the seller he told me that they are blank IC.
I know or if I can remember rught that they are or blank or programmed for direct use.

#7 6 years ago
Quoted from arakissun:

PIA 6821P
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10PCS-IC-MC6821-MC6821P-MOTOROLA-DIP40-NEW-/191908287574?hash=item2caea01456:g:GEcAAOSwgY9Xciki
These.When I asked the seller he told me that they are blank IC.
I know or if I can remember rught that they are or blank or programmed for direct use.

?
Those are the peripheral Interface ICs and are not chips that would need to be (nor can be) programmed.

#8 6 years ago

In other words, no programming required. Just install as is.

#9 6 years ago

Hmmm,all the time I was thinking that these PIA are or blank or must be programming.Thank you now I will order them.

#10 6 years ago

If anybody else can chime in to verify for sure, please do. Anyone?

#11 6 years ago

To clarify, if I remember correctly, the PIA "technically" does get "programmed", but it is done by the MPU when the system boots up...

Not a type of program you have to do like you would for an eprom or anything.

#12 6 years ago
Quoted from pacmanretro:

To clarify, if I remember correctly, the PIA "technically" does get "programmed", but it is done by the MPU when the system boots up...
Not a type of program you have to do like you would for an eprom or anything.

Yes. Not programmed so much as configured.

#13 6 years ago

What are all these "B" elements?

#14 6 years ago
Quoted from pacmanretro:

To clarify, if I remember correctly, the PIA "technically" does get "programmed", but it is done by the MPU when the system boots up...
Not a type of program you have to do like you would for an eprom or anything.

Quoted from zacaj:

Yes. Not programmed so much as configured.

They are sent instructions just like any other logic chip--not programmed or configured. These chips are plug & play.

Quoted from arakissun:

What are all these "B" elements?

"B" indicates a faster speed. 6821 is 1MHz, while 68B21 is 2MHz.

#15 6 years ago

I mean the element on the board with "B".Found them that they are capacitors.
Now it's done.It left to put new sockets and new ICs.

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#16 6 years ago

"Bypass" filter capacitors to smooth the 5 volt around the ICs

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#17 6 years ago

Thank you,your schematics are wonderful.

#18 6 years ago

Almost finish.
Several components left to be put.

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#19 6 years ago

What type are the capacitors C41-C48.
I can see them from the manual 47pfd,50v,axial,but they look like Resistors.
When I was in the electronic shop,they told me that never saw capacitors like these green one.
Can I put from this type?

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#20 6 years ago

Any small capacitor 47pF/50V will work but if I'm correct, this is the circuit for the optos input at 1J9 ....which isn't used on your board.
The inputs of IC 30+39 are pulled HIGH by SR14 so that will keep them stable.

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#21 6 years ago

OK,thank you.

#22 6 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

Any small capacitor 47pF/50V will work but if I'm correct, this is the circuit for the optos input at 1J9 ....which isn't used on your board.
The inputs of IC 30+39 are pulled HIGH by SR14 so that will keep them stable.

Zaza, I honestly don't know the answer, but just asking this question - if those caps are not used, why were they on his board in first pics?

Just curious.

#23 6 years ago

Don't know, maybe it was a consideration to keep the circuit working and only cut cost on the header 1J9.

simple version of SW8 on J9 + J10.
WITH capacitor C48 the circuit is fully functional.
WITHOUT C48 and header 1J9, U39-13 is (always) +5Volt

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But I should pass this question to the designers of this board as they made this decision

2 months later
#24 6 years ago

Finally PIAs arrived before several days.Put them.Run the board and everything works.
I'm very happy and the customer too.And he paid me good too.
This was my biggest corrosion project.Usually I don't like this type of fix but because in my country these boards cannot be found anywhere and usually the customers don't want to pay worldwide packages I need to fix them.

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#25 6 years ago

Your work looks absolutely beautiful. And it is terrific that you got it back from the dead. But why remount batteries back on that board? Solder on some long wires and put that battery pack away from that thing!

#26 6 years ago

Because the customer don't know nothing and always want to be keep as original as can be.

#27 6 years ago

Very happy to hear you got it going! And thank you for taking the time to follow up on this thread; it is always nice when people let others know how it went.

If customer wants batteries to stay on the board (after all this happened to it once already), I would certainly politely suggest to them that they use high quality batteries, change them regularly, and even just visually check on them once in a while.

Again, congratulations on the repair!

#28 6 years ago

Thank you.
Yes I informed him to change batteries.I don't want to fix it again.

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