that looks to me like what would happen if a post was tightened to an extreme level. More like a cracking/lifting of the clear vs. pooling.

this all really sucks - I would love to have a GNR but I am going to sit on the sideline to see how this plays out
No way could I deal with those PF issues, but I can live without this game

Jjp posted on fb another ad and I responded with a question of how the play field issues are being handled. Their response was simply attaching the support link and telling me they will be happy to help with any issues on the game. So basically no definite response to how it will be handled or if the problem was even identified and fixed going forward.

Everyone knows how these polls work, right? JJP fans are choosing "no issues", Stern fans are choosing "I have chipping", regardless of whether or not they have a game.

Poll is meaningless. Pictures or it didn't happen.

JJP should have solved this issue 2 years ago with Pirates. There's no more excuses. These games are insanely priced and the last thing customers should have to worry about are playfield issues. I love JJP games, and still think JJP is making the most loaded and fully featured pins in the industry. However, none of that matters if this is the type of playfield quality being offered.

Not sure why you see people open their brand new games and celebrate that everything is fine. Pooling doesn't happen until it is played.... in this case, played not a whole bunch. :/

Wow wtf. That's highly unusual.

They should all go back to mylar and no clearcoat. Problem solved.

Unless they have a shortage of parts, I doubt anything stops the line. I can see them attempting to improve playfields on future batches though.

They are just going to bank on those with games not kicking up too much of a stink, and deal with the others on a case by case basis.

Are you sure?
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/clear-coat-curing#post-4743732

When I ordered playfields from Mirco, the smell of the delivered package was like a spray room in a coating factory - but the production date was 3-5 months earlier, based on his FB posts.

This never happens when a restore playfield with new clear.
In mircos latest video he shows the new playfield clear an promise that all problems with chipping and polling is over.
Do they have old (new) playfield? Is there a date on the playfields?
Ordered a LE.

What and you believe Mirco? He's a shonk.

Do you have a link to the video? How new/old is the video and comment?

I believe the new process is called Spectrum. Sounds awesome to me.

Not sure what a shock is, but I agree. Lol

What is he supposed to say? "I can't believe people keep buying these crappy playfields?"

Not "shock", a shonk.

shonky
INFORMAL•AUSTRALIAN
noun
noun: shonk
a person engaged in suspect business activities.
"we need to rid the building industry of these shonkies quickly"

What has been your shonky experience with Mirco?

Oh my phone hates me. I typed "shonk" and it corrected it for me.

I believe that is what they use yeah. CPR uses it now too.

Obviously AXL got a little bit of crumbs on the playfield line while visiting JJP during lunch...

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Old and not funny anymore

Kinda funny !

I was kind of thinking go back to silk screening. What's wrong with silk screening anyways?

Have CGC games exhibited similar problems? I don't recall reports, but I haven't been following the other thread too carefully. Do CGC do digital printing or silk screening?

On the video, Mirco said new process has been going for a year already. Need to post the dates on these problem playfields. Sounds like there is a pretty long lead time on these.

Time consuming process

Same. I could not imagine spending $10,000 and having to deal with this. I’ll wait it out a while and see what happens.

I will never buy a new in box pin. Stern
Ruined it for me!! My JJP have been good. WOZ and dialed in! Sad to see this in such a cool looking game.

I've detailed my experience with Mirco on Pinside if you're keen to search for it. I'm one of many who've shared their not so pleasant experiences. In short, he offered so little help to what was "clearly" a manufacturing problem, passing the buck at every opportunity, hiding behind the considerable kilometres between him and his customers. In the end, it cost me hundreds of dollars to correct the issue. But it was the condescending manner in which he spoke to me which infuriated me the most! Makes my blood boil now even thinking about it.

https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/highclasspinball

So 90 people out of the 100 or so GnR machines that are out in the wild, partook in this poll....INTERESTING!

yea the data on this poll is total BS....OP was well intentioned, but there's way to many Stern Fan boys or JJP haters voting...theres probably 150+ GNR games in the wild, and my guess is less than 50% of those owners even visit PinSide let alone vote so clearly the vote is bogus.

100 LEs from launch and they just started shipping SE's last week, so lets say 150...Wouldn't say "WAY MORE". Also according to Pinside ownership data, it states 122 people have LE's and SE's in their collection...I don't know how much I trust that number, because it also says 55 people have a CE in their collection. So I highly doubt 90 people own this machine and took part in the poll. Even so, 40 of them have issues, but yet only see like 5 machine or maybe 6 at this point with pictures.

There’s a lot of people that add the game to their collection before they actually have it in their possession... so the numbers can be skewed in that regard

I’ve already paid in full for my LE but I have yet to add it to my collection as it’s not physically in my possession...

All that means is many people added the CE/LE/SE in the collection, however haven't received the game. I'd be shocked if more than 50% of owners even come to PinSide let alone vote in a poll...the only thing one can surmise is that the problem isn't fixed, and there are still bad play fields leaving the factory. My guess its less than 10, which is still too high.

It’s from the expo festival (hope the name is correct) few days ago

My AP Houdini PF is as beautiful today as it was brand new. Flawless! Go AP!

AP and spooky have the best playfields and it’s not particularly close.

When the money transfers out of my account, the machine is added to my collection.

What?
Why would they do that, if they don't own a GnR what's to be gained by fake polling?
Also I don't care who the company is or how few machines are affected, if people pay this kind of money they should be allowed to voice their concerns.
Flabbergasted

Because it's fun to click on a poll to support your team. It's just human nature, both JJP and Stern fans are doing it.