Is this your new SE ? That pin is brand new?!? That's disconcerting to say the least

So is that the post right under the left backstage post? No washer there correct?

How do your sling posts look, although I don't know if i'd want to look

I wouldn't worry too much. It's still the same 3 playfields I keep seeing over and over.

I'm seeing way more than 3, jandrea95 is a new one to me

I'm thinking the thing to do is immediate damage control. Stop the line. Get a new playfield supplier and make the playfields that have gone out already and damaged whole. Yeah it sucks, $ lost, but put that on the vendor. They need to get out in front of this as future sales are going to plummet with this issue and complete silence from JJP. I bet people would be willing to wait on a tested and true product if only given a hint that there was work being done behind the scenes to rectify the issue (which there probably is - but a hint or a statement would go a LOOOOOOONG way). Right now it looks BAD from a PR standpoint. I've got a $2000 deposit down on an LE and starting to get really worried.

Way more? Really? Agree that jandreas is new, though I am still interested in the details of his case since I have an se coming tomorrow. To me it looks like there is damage to the hole almost like the post was loose and hitting the side.

Definitely post pics of your SE tomorrow. Really curious on this

Not just in this thread but on other facebook groups and threads

That post looks like it takes a beating, right in the JETS path

I assume you just took it out of the box? LOL

This is probably also connected to the availability issue.
They cant tell you when you get your game, cause they cant tell you when this get sorted.

It's an enigma. Spooky sorted this problem almost right away and ap has never had it?
Stern doesnt seem to care, since their customers are apple'esque.

Then you have jjp, who had this problem for four straight games and how many years?
It recked the initial sale/rumour on wonka, and here we go again.....
Why is this company loyal to mirco? Are they deadset on bellying up?

Get yourself a spooky game. No playfield issues at all and although I just recently started really playing this one, I have to say, I’m quite impressed. Modern pins usually don’t do it for me but I REALLY enjoy this one. Vampire mode is my favorite!

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It is badass!!!

I’m absolutely stunned that the record collapsed like that!! How the hell does something like that slip by QC? Boy, I’d be full clench when lifting that playfield up...

It’s sad JJP seems to be the only guys still dealing with these issues. If it’s Mirco, they gotta slap those guys around. This is unacceptable.

I’m not bothered about mechanical issues - easy fix like most pinball issues.
Playfield or cab issues are a nightmare.
Washers are the smoking gun here!

I know part of trolling is not letting people know you are trolling, but I will assume you are trolling

Thanks, Why did you decide to take the post off? Could you share a photo of the minor pooling ? Has that been there from day 1? Some of the other photos from that LE look less like pooling and more like the clear just lifting around the post. Especially since apparently on the LE the pooling wasn’t there at first? That seems bizarre to me.

The post was in no way loose. Mine looks torqued too tight. Yours should look beautiful out of the box, but keep a close eye on things. My pooling started showing after 30 plays or so.

Hopefully the CE machines will not have pooling or chipping...

Is that normal? I’ve never heard of pooling appearing after the fact, we sure it’s pooling and not just the clear lifting off from the post vibrations?

Yes sir, ill get some better pics with better lighting tonight. Game was pristine upon shipment, but I do suspect the indentation was there from the beginning under the black plastic sling washers.

Edit - I noticed you asked why I removed the post. I noticed something creeping out, figured it was pooling but didnt realize actual damage existed. I removed the post to add a nylon protector in an attempt to slow damage. The damage was already there.

Theese pf´s are made in germany, then travels over to chicago for assembly.
If the clear isnt ready by then, it never will be.

I’ve regretted every single time I’ve sold games to get a game. Never again unless I’m out of room.

No. If done right, it doesn’t take long at all for a clearcoat to become rock hard.

Agree 100%. Many large businesses have similar types of agreements, called Service Level Agreements (SLA's), in place with vendors. For example if a company relies on the service of a vendor and that service (such as a vendor website providing some type of functionality) isn't up the vendor starts getting charged X number of dollars every hour, day, etc.

I've bought 4/5 JJP pins prior to GNR and this time I'm waiting at least 6 months before considering a purchase. If I just paid $9,500 for an LE and saw pooling / chipping on my game it would make me sick. If I saw washers installed from the factor that's better but I would still be pissed as that just proves games are being shipped with defective playfields.

I traded a AC/DC Luci that I played for 3 years for a Wonka SE and I’ve never felt bad about it.How could I,the only thing I miss is showing it off to other dudes!

My wonka LE started pooling after about 20 games and was pretty bad at 150. I’m right under 150 plays with a early GNRLE build and don’t have any marks at all. I’m pretty anal about it and after scouring the whole pin can’t find one issue. YMMV but my GNR playfield seems way better than my wonka playfield.

Stern can do no wrong. Buy the next LE.

Has anyone voting here recently received an LE having issues? As I have not seen any recent mentions of an LE being received..

Or are most of the polling / chipping issues the first batch of LE's that were delivered in the initial days after the release..

If anyone within 4 hours drive of Charlotte, NC wants to sell their chipped or pooled LE and get back in line and wait for a better one let me know. Cash in hand. Shoot me a pm. Let me take your pain and headache away!

As another PinSider stated earlier the only way to try and get ahold of this issue is to make Mirco responsible for paying for new populated play fields. The guy is pretty arrogant and confident in his product so make him put his money where his mouth is. This is the third title in a row where this has happened, which is totally inexcusable. My guess is JJP is pretty pissed about this issue, but they have no other suppliers. Adding those shitty looking washers isn't a viable long term solution.

This makes a helluva assumption on the QC issues being the "fault" of the manufacturer. Many manufacturers allow you to order based on certain manufacturing tolerances. The more you pay them, the tighter the tolerance. You don't know what was ordered and those terms.

I would hope it would be in the tolerance of not having issues within the first week of ownership.

Hey Dantesmark. Great idea. I was going to start a new thread where people just post pictures of their playfield defects, but I don't want to beat a dead horse. I honestly think I've witnessed about 4 pictures of playfields that were defected. What I suggest, instead of my starting another thread on this, is maybe in your top original post, add pictures of the fields as they come in, just one per playfield, don't need 5 angles of the same playfield. What do you think? You just keep editing your original comment and ad pictures as they come in. If you're not up for it, I will just start a thread doing just that.

Things is....German manufacturing is well built and has a reputation for quality.
This guy from Mirco is bringing Deutschland into disrepute..... he needs his countrymen to get over there to offer some motivational assistance..... if you know what I mean

I think that I’m not clear about what is being called “pooling”. What I think of is where the surface tension of the wet clear causes it to build up on edges leaving a thicker spot. This would not change over time, it is either there or it’s not. Is what really is happening is that the paint is releasing from the wood and raising up? When you push on these spots With your fingernail does the clear seem hard or Does it move like it has air under it?

Meh, so did JJP

I agree, they do have a reputation for quality, that's why my first car was german. But I learned from experience, 3 BMWs later, that all of them were complete junk, never going to purchase a BMW again. All of them had design flaws that caused mechanical problems. 2 of them blown engines.

Pooling is not a good term. It's really blistering, as there is air beneath the blister of clear and/or art. It's not a pool of solid material.

This is the first area that alerted me personally to an issue as well. Pooling in my case, but it was cause for me to further inspect all else.

Mine is one of the initial ones and seems good. First week in oct build date, shipped 3 days after announcement. My wonka was clear it had an issue the first week in, all seems ok on GNR at this point. My only complaint would be the flipper rubbers they are using are total garbage. Within 50 plays it was already deteriorating, and could probably be ripped apart by hand if you tried. Sort of annoying, but NBD since most people change them out anyways. Definitely a fun game and has been a major hit in our house so far.

This is the part that scares me , it’s fine until it’s not. Playing the game while not knowing what is going on definitely feels like you are gambling with the playfield. Every play gets you closer to getting a chip.

This is a more technical term for what you are describing...

BLISTERING: The formation of bubbles or pimples on the painted surface caused by moisture in the wood by painting before the previous coat has dried thoroughly or by excessive heat or grease under the paint.

Edit: it could also be called the following...

LIFTING: The softening and penetration of a previous film by solvents in the paint being applied over it, resulting in raising and wrinkling.

The only way to know the cause, is to inspect the process during production.

Because the lay tend to be the most vocal here and mob rules.

The behavior is more like 'pinching' or displacement - not a surface tension thing like pooling would suggest. It's just bad terms repeated forever so ppl stick to them.

But it's a lost cause... see similar dissent over a year ago - https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/continued-playfield-issues-with-jjp-and-stern/page/13#post-5177649

Blistering and/or lifting both sound more applicable to me than "pooling".