Pretend I'm new and please explain it to me. I don't have an engineering degree.

I've death saved my Metallica on a carpet floor more times than you've probably hit the start button and there is absolutely no damage at all.

Who says? You?

It's not cheating because the accepted rules governing tournaments say it isn't cheating. You can slide save the game all day, but if it falls off the rubber feet, you get a big fat 0.

As for an unfair advantage, how do you come up with that conclusion? You're more than welcome to slide save the game if you choose.

You're seriously comparing moving a machine a few inches to taking off the glass, grabbing a tube of super glue and permanently altering the play field? Now you're just being ridiculous. It's like have a conversation with a 6 year old.

I'm still waiting for you to instill some wisdom on everyone as to the physical damage I've subjected my machine to all these years.

It was bound to happy sooner or later.

If you had an engineering degree like the OP you would have known that already. Geeez. Some people. /sarcasm

A death save is done after the ball passes the outlane switch and is considered drained. A slide save occurs while the ball is still in play.

If a ball gets stuck in the outlane it is placed in the trough. If a ball gets stuck on the play field, it’s placed on the flippers or in the shooter lane.

Similar rationale.

Wait, what? You're saying that no one could come up with a device to monitor lateral movement of a pinball machine? You're on drugs or something. Self driving cars, quantum computing, space stations, GPS, etc......and you're saying it's impossible? Hell, an accelerometer and a $30 Raspberry Pi should do the trick.

Maybe you should take a step back and see it from the alternative point of view in that no one has taken then 20 minutes to do it because there is no reason to do it.

You're exactly right. They are called Marsh Pegs and were implemented by the NHL to keep the goal from moving. If the goal comes off the pegs, play is stopped.

If the designers of pinball machines wanted to negate the slide save, they would engineer a solution. But since they haven't, by your own argument, it isn't cheating and within the spirit of the game.

So if it was engineered in a way to stop slide saving, then so be it. That's how I'll play it, but if it wasn't then I'll be more than happy to slide save it if necessary.

The game is the judge!

You can always ask me at leagues.....you know, since I'm the TD

Yes, it's 100% legal. I do it on Guardians when it's coming down the right side. If you give it a slap at the right time, the ball comes off the guide and you can catch it on your right flipper. If you don't get it off the guide with a well timed slap, it normally hits the top of the sling and goes out of control.

I would do it on BM66 too, but I have the tilt set too tight to get away with it on that game. So you're eating the top of the sling on both sides.

Um, yes.

If not, I'd buy a Prius.

No worries. I prefer to play with my toys and enjoy them as opposed to worrying about resale value or potential repairs.

That's one of the funniest things I've heard all week. I don't like the numbers I have, so I'll just come up with a reason to skew them so they fit my objective.

Stay out of my laboratory.

I'm pretty sure everyone's issue with you is that you're acting like a real ass. You start a "poll" (and change the name later) asking about the classification of a slide save. People start giving their opinions and you continue tell everyone they are cheating....over and over again. You're a cheater. We think you're cheating. And on and on and on.

You think I'm a cheater and I think you're a troll, which is this case is actually against the rules, as opposed to slide saves which are legal.

Flaming, baiting, trolling or otherwise inflammatory comments: These are all slightly different actions that share one thing in common, they stir-up trouble. So please don’t post things that are angry or mean-spirited (flaming), challenge others into heated arguments (baiting/inflammatory comments), or hop from thread to thread typing provocative things (trolling). It’s a waste of your time, our time, and ultimately damages our community.

I'm assuming that you're joking, especially since I looked at your Twitch channel and it took me an entire 60 seconds to find you shove a machine, taking a double danger.

Fair enough. We'll now institute a new rule. Anyone with the handle arcademojo seen slide saving will receive an automatic 0 on the game. I'll go ahead and add that now.

I'm a relatively new TD, only holding 82 IFPA registered events in the last 3 years or so. I've spoke to tons of random bar patrons that walk in during events along with every new person that either joined, or considered joining our league.

Not once in those 3 years and 82 events have I ever heard someone say...."I would join, but I saw that guy cheating the game by moving it around".

As for your bullshit "cheating the game", I guess Sammy Sosa was just "cheating the game" when he was caught with a corked bat.

You can drop the play on words because everyone sees through your shit.

The video I show before leagues addresses all the moves that are illegal, not moves that are legal.

As for not expressing their concern to me, that's their own prerogative. If I have an issue with the way something is run, I'd be discussing my concerns with the person running it. I wouldn't be in the corner complaining behind their back.

I had a very extensive response to your post written, but deleted it prior to posting. I feel this is a conversation better had offline.

If you would like to discuss this further, please contact me though either the website "Contact Us" submission form, or through the official league email to voice your complaints.

See if you can get it into the back of your truck before it tilts.

Didn't this thread die?

We had to drag F-14 out of the way last night after a few slide saves on GB during leagues. I may or may not have contributed to it being partially sideways.

The tilt is the judge. Just like the foul line in bowling, the boundaries in football and all the other games that employ some sort of device or person that monitors what is legal and what isn't legal.

If the tilt is loose enough that I can carry the machine out to my truck, then you can be damn sure I'm going to slide save it. If it's so tight that even the smallest nudge results in a danger, than I'm not going to try anything aggressive. It's as simple as that.

Saying that you can't nudge is like saying you have to stay 1' away from the out of bounds line or something stupid like that.

Most people wouldn't think of a loop pass but that doesn't make it any less legitimate of a skill.

I’m pretty sure they are legal, however most pool halls and leagues ban them because most players can’t execute them correctly and can easily damage the felt

https://wpapool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WPA_New_Rules_01MAR2016-fixed-spelling.pdf

I've actually DQed someone for a slide save. They slid the game into the person next to them.

I guess the technical reason was interference, but it was the result of a slide save.