Quoted from TheLaw:

"Slide save documentation" is the shoooter lane pics of the 2020s

Quoted from Luckydogg420:

Tournament players competing for cash care.
When real world dollar are at stake it matters. At home with your own game do whatever you want. But I play to win, and I'll use every rule in the book as an advantage if I can. If the tournament director doesn't want it, then that's the rule. But once you get to the big leagues it makes a difference

Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

That's one of the funniest things I've heard all week. I don't like the numbers I have, so I'll just come up with a reason to skew them so they fit my objective.
Stay out of my laboratory.

Quoted from Tomass:

I am into pinball just for fun.

Quoted from Tomass:

Just for fun is the key.

Quoted from smokinhos:

I'm in the minority but not sure any movement of the game is considered ok. I watched a guy, bump, nudge, slide, whatever, and looked pretty proud of himself after he was done and got a free game. I had to laugh. I didn't realize it was exercise to play pinball. Look.. my rule is if you fill a glass with beer, set the beer in the cup holder then proceed to spill it all over the pin and floor, then maybe your moving/cheating. Just push the buttons and nudge a little. Issue is you need to tighten up the tilt.

Quoted from yancy:

The worst.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Dude and I was drunk as shit when I made my post...synergy!
It was a bit harsh, I apologize

Now...here's an actual douche owner...

Quoted from TheLaw:

Ha not butt hurt at all. I love these tough "nobody gets away with that shit in my house posts;" they're Pinside classics. Like people are lined up begging to get in your sweet house to play your ultra tight games you cant nudge or they tilt thru...exciting! line of zombies not moving just groaning and swaying.
Takes all kinds.

Quoted from dasvis:

Remind me not to play @ your house.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Why would we care?

Quoted from Bublehead:

When people watch me play a game they consider that my "manipulation" must be illegal, the way I shake, shimmy, and nudge the f out of them. I just look at them and say, oh, I'm sorry, have you never seen a Yeti playing pinball before? At 6 foot 4" tall, I am a big guy and I tend to move the machines around a bit, but Mr T. Bob is right there hanging on his hook, and if he's not complaining, then why are you? For the record, my own machines are on rubber mats and can't slide at all, this helps to condition me NOT to slide save (as much) when I am playing in our pin league.

Quoted from Snailman:

The key component you're missing here is not merely showing, but also teaching and encouraging. When I show people how to slide and nudge (and flipper skills for that matter), I then take the time to step aside and say, "OK, now you try it." They do, they're successful after a few attempts, they high-five me with a smile on their face, and now appreciate how much fun the physical interaction aspect of pinball is, and the pinball hook gets set quicker/deeper into each one of them.

I do not. We are ALL competing each and EVERY time we play pinball: first and foremost against gravity, and then it's competing against a high score or objective or jackpot or mode, etc. Physical manipulation of the ball/machine via nudging and sliding is one of the beauties of pinball -- and one of the most exciting, whether you're the one doing it or watching someone else execute a perfect slide save or wicked shimmy to take 2.99 dangers, but not get that tilt.

This is awesome! I forget his exact age, but I think my youngest son was 6-7 years old when he did his first successful death save. Proud dad moment for me! (and before any of you go ape !@#$... no, it wasn't during a tournament, and yes, the owner of the pins was right there, too, congratulating my son)

Quoted from Puffdanny:

I've seen Keith Elwin nudge once was he cheating? Is that why he's the best in the world? He's just a cheater? Even if you tilt it's not cheating!!! Play better...

Quoted from Snailman:

Indeed. You should try ordering a plate of that food.
You just succinctly captured how a game (and its owner/operator) controls the *extent* to which someone can move the machine, whether you want to call it nudging or sliding, it's all relative.
A slide or nudge is disallowed to the extent that the tilt bob setting prevents it. Full stop.
Set your tilt bobs how you want to set them.
If you want to add rubber feet to add friction or a physical constraint to how much the legs can move on the floor: also your call. Ultimately, it's the tilt bob that still governs.

Quoted from Puffdanny:

Originally a ball or marble was placed on the glass on a holder and if it came off it was a tilt

Quoted from Snailman:

You could say this of literally any other competitive sports/hobby. Rules and game conditions evolve over time as people discover/develop exploits of any game, and game-makers adjust the rules or conditions accordingly.
Was it cheating for golfers to develop better ways to strike the ball harder/further, rendering some courses too easy, leading to course designers/operators to adjust the hole layout and/or plant trees in certain spots to take away prior exploited openings?
It most certainly wasn't cheating. It was a natural evolution of the sport and that course.

Quoted from Puffdanny:

Actually you are dead wrong just check the IFPA rulebook. I really think you need to start playing tournament and learn the rules.

Quoted from Puffdanny:

Actually you are dead wrong just check the IFPA rulebook. I really think you need to start playing tournament and learn the rules.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

No. Rocking is rocking. Taking the legs off the ground. Sliding is sliding. Legs don’t leave the ground. If rubber feet are on the game, rocking can definitely happen.
But you’re not penalized (outside of the games tilt sensor), unless the rocking causes the leg to come out of the rubber foot and touch the ground.
Also abuse and cheating are two different things.

Quoted from TheLaw:

Always tense in a troll thread like this one.