Well, if you are the one setting the rules, rather than the LITERALLY internationally agreed-upon rules.. well, yeah of course they aren’t going to play. Why don’t you just join a league ? Or are their rules not restrictive enough ?

You asked for a discussion.. clearly you just wanted someplace to repeat your view over and over to anyone who didn't agree with you.

Instead of beating your drum, why not look around at what has been the consensus for decades, including from both home, commercial, and vendors?

Games still have slider feet... competitions still allow it... games haven't been modified to stop it.

Maybe your 'overwhelming' majority is smaller than you think. The votes sure show that

Do you have a location name for this type of move? Around here it's called a "Detroit slide," and I always assumed people call it a 'melbourne slide' or whatever their location is?

This is also basically an update of the "I'm leaving Pinisde..." thread except it's "I'm leaving competitive pinball..."

Tournament pins should be secured to the floor. Problem solved.

No. Poll does not indicate that. You may get to choose what is cheating for all pinball players in the world but you are not allowed to determine what we are thinking. Don't need a poll to show that you are wrong again.

I know, that's why you troll, right?

What stops you from making a no slide rule? You can have that rule and still have it an IFPA sanctioned tournament.

I think that's impossible to judge frankly. It's a rule that's unenforcable and open to abuse and endless arguments. "HE SLID IT!!! HE SLID IT!!!"

Razor is doing the right thing by deciding not to run any more IFPA tournaments. He can run amateur "meets" that better suit him and his "real life" pinball associates.

Maybe people are just trying to avoid....you.?

I see where you are coming from, especially with today's questionable build quality, but:
1) You have to be open to the other point of view especially if you are asking for others opinions
2) Kettle of fish is now in my everyday vocabulary, thank you.

It's easy to enforce. Set the tilt tight and change the software to no tilt warnings. Anyone that tries a slide save will tilt.

Yes but the act of "slide saving" (even attempting) would still be "against the rules"and subject to penalization beyond the tilt. That's what rules are for.

summation: it's dumb.

But it's much easier to start a troll poll, whine and bitch at 2/3 of your respondents, post multiple sequential posts in your thread and claim self'rightiousness than do all the work you are suggesting.

No worse than trying to enforce no death saves or bang backs.

Your real world poll is showing 74% don't consider slides saves cheating. That doesn't have jack to do with IFPA. Just people's opinions based on your poll.

I'm always amazed about how hard people nudge and bang around machines. When I was a kid in the arcade the guy running the place was a always a seedy dude that would not hesitate to give you a kick in the ass or cuff upside the head. I like to play but I don't take it very seriously. Every time I go to a show I see people raging in the tournament area and that is why I never enter. I do like the shows that they have the tournaments in a different area so it doesn't look so bad.

it's worse.

How do we know you aren't just making this up!?!?!? I'm not convinced you've ever actually played pinball with other people.

We will need some evidence lol lol smiley face lol laughing face

When, exactly, does a "nudge" turn into a "slide"?
If nudges are OK, but slides aren't, I think that would need to be defined.

Personally, on location, if the tilt is set liberal, I slide as much as it will allow. At my buddies' places, I know they're all for slide saves, so I go for it, again, as much as the tilt will allow (and they do the same at my place). If a not-as-close friend has me over for pinball, I'll find out what his stance is and honor his wishes.

Not cheating, part of the game, just like the other adjustments on the machines.

The tilt can be the penalty. Nothing says it would have to be worse than that. You could also use the pinball feet that PAPA uses and if it slides off the feet then they are disqualified if you are wanting a stiffer penalty. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

This post almost made my head explode.

"Nudging has always been in pinball." What's the point of nudging? To prevent the ball from draining down the middle or the outlanes. And that's ok.

"Slide saving is different from nudging." What's the point of slide saving? Circumventing the ball from going between the flippers. And that's not ok.

Norman, coordinate!!

A rocket scientist might argue that a hard nudge would put more stress on the cabinet than a small slide.

Sounds like it’s a win-win!

Actual poll asking people who play pinball their opinion: “Fake News!!!!!! It’s the Failing Pinside Media!!”

Totally unproveable anecdotal evidence asked over beers at the OP’s own tournaments: “they agree with me so EVERYONE must!”

My theory: The Heisenberg principle at work.

its
not
cheating

the tilt bob is there to enforce hard moves... use it properly to have the game play the way you want it to. if I do a big move and it tilts... im not doing a big move again...

"The pinball late starter
By razorsedge"

Sounds aboot right.

We have a few IFPA players that slide save a nudge the shit out of the machines, I just set the Tilt tight.. The look on their face when they tilt out is priceless

They must be pretty low ranked if this is the first time they're encountering a machine with a tough tilt.

Can I get a mod in this thread please? How long are we going to have to hear Australia is the "real world?"

Its not cheating, if I am playing a pinball on site I will find the tilt level and do what ever to save my ball within that when its $2 a game

Can I ask what was damaged? cab? headbox?

back in the 80s, we referred to it as the 'cuban slide'.

players who fail to make use this technique are just 'pretenders'.

unaware of what that is...

I can tell you, it's not that funny. So, it must be dumb.

Translation.....The real world is when I speak to "my circle of friends, acquaintances or anyone who thinks like me", derr. Pinside is a forum, "full of strange people who don't think like me."

This can't be real. He's enjoying it too much.

Ok, time to stop giving this guy the attention he clearly is craving... unplug people...