You're seriously comparing moving a machine a few inches to taking off the glass, grabbing a tube of super glue and permanently altering the play field? Now you're just being ridiculous. It's like have a conversation with a 6 year old.

I'm still waiting for you to instill some wisdom on everyone as to the physical damage I've subjected my machine to all these years.

You have to just move on and not get emotionally invested. There are all types in pinball; and this is just a standard "diaper rubber;" 1000 threads with these weirdos on here.
This is the byproduct of becoming a home market.

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"Sorry not sorry?"

I feel the same.
It's fair if it doesn't tilt, but I don't want it done on my games!

Pmsl? What is that

Seriously, can someone explain to me how does moving a machine a couple of inches damage it?

Oh hell yeah it can!! It’s Friday and I’m down for a healthy debate. What damage have you seen caused by slide saves besides to the floor?

LMGTFY - https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pmsl

Come on man play better!

I think it's a cheap move and shouldn't be allowed in tournament play, definitely not on someone's home collection. As others have said crank up the tilts!

Show me one instance of this ever happening and I’ll vow to never slide save again.

Anyone seriously looking to take slide saves out of the equation, just remove tilt warnings from the game through software. It will be IMPOSSIBLE to rely on any sort of tilt debounce to execute the maneuver.

I won't do it at someone's house if I know they don't want it done. But I do it to mine all the time and let others do it as long as they aren't banging cabs together. I also do it at tournaments. If it's not against the rules then it's not cheating. And with all the slide saves I have done to my pins I have never seen any damage from doing this.

It will depend on the floor surface and whether or not the leg casters are in those rubber coasters or not. If I game is on a hard floor that is smooth with no leg coasters it will slide easy, so likely no damage. However, if a game is a on the same hard floor but with those rubber leg coasters and is slid more force will be put on the cabinet which may lead to damage.

Also, some people put games close to each other and sliding them can damage the head of cabinets.

I take nice games to Expo every year. I set the tilts tight. On several occasions I've seen machines get the shit beat out of them. One time a guy almost tipped one over(not mine). Slide saves and beating the shit out of machines is fine if it's yours. If it's somone else's show a little respect.

100% agree with the two of you. can we get a new poll option where is says "yes its technically legal if it doesn't tilt but I don't like it on my games"

The masses in this poll and the other similar thread linked with a poll say its not cheating. Suck it up.

Respect a home collector’s wishes first and foremost.

Sliding a game does not cause damage to the game unless you’re throwing the game into something.

Even if you’re using rubber feet and someone shoves the game, the stress can be handled 1,000s of times over. I see it everyday. Loosened leg bolts? Hell yeah. Damage? Hell no.

Btw at my house the rule is simple:

If you’re playing or actively trying to save a ball, do whatever they hell you want. But once the ball drains, don’t touch the game. My games are spaced far apart for a reason. Haha

I wish I could move phoebes like that a league. Always kicks my ass.

From slide saving? Doubt it. From 30 year old glue and joints? Likely.

It probably wasn't sliding the game that did damage to those games, it was probably the relentless pounding they took from people having sex on them.

I like to lift up the front of machine, rest it on my knee, then hit start.
Once I played LOTR for 3.5 hours. On ball one.

IFPA/PAPA rules allow it. So not cheating.

That's ridiculous.

If you don't want people sliding the game at your "meets," get rubber footies like PAPA uses. They are cheap. Put one on each front legs and you can't slide games.

It's too difficult otherwise to police slide slaves. What's a slide? A hard nudge that moves the game an inch left or right? Or a nice one-footer move. As others have stated have your tilts set correctly as well.

You'll never find an actual pro who considers sliding a game "cheating." May as well say nudging is "cheating."

People who say stuff like that are always rank amateurs.

Go to the gym and you can slide save too.

You need to check your Genie tilt Zac.... I was able to slide on it about 1/2 the time. The other 1/2 it tilted though. I've had issues with system 1 tilts like that in the past where it seems to time out.... doesn't matter what boardset is in it either, I think it must be the 'age' of the ring/bob, maybe a dead spot on the plumb bob? Tried polishing it but no difference.... time to just put a new one in there (or maybe try one of those new electronic ones)

I’ve had weird issues with system one tilts too.

Anyone pissing themselves this much should get that checked

This is the statement you said you agree with. The establishment (PAPA/IFPA) allow it. You can't take into consideration that he stated gambling establishment because when pinball was involved with gambling it was considered a game a luck. It has been shown that it is a game of skill and not luck. And if you follow the rules it is not cheating. Just because you don't agree with the rule doesn't make it otherwise. You are free to set up your own rules at your events. And if you make a rule of no slide saves then it would be cheating to do so. But if it's allowed then it's not cheating.

Yes, it makes it "not cheating" when the governing body of competitive pinball allows it. You can disagree all you want, but you are wrong.

Bang backs are cheating. Slap saves, slide saves, nudging/bumping and rattling is not only Pinball, It’s necessary to do well.

Like mentioned before, adjust your bobs so a slide of an inch will tilt.

haha this made me about spit out my coffee lol

Always 2am somewhere

Poll says you were wrong by a long shot. Poll better.

Well there you go, buddy! We finally agree on something.

The purpose of the poll, for you, was to completely and cruelly repudiate your incorrect pinball world view, rather than providing soothing validation? Interesting, if true!

It was bound to happy sooner or later.

It's not a shame, at all. Competitive pinball isn't for everybody.

And yet.. both regulated by the same thing. The tilt bob.

You have the power...