https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/slide-save-cheating-or-just-nudging/page/2

Some discussion on that here if you haven’t read it. 2 years old though. Some new conversation is always good

Came here because of the thread title!

No, I think this is not cheating. I don't get how it causes additional damage to the game either. It may be a sign of an unskilled player like myself, but if you keep the tilt bob from going off, I guess it's ok

Not cheating. Not overtly damaging to the machine, either. Set your tilts correctly and the user will pay for it.

I agree it is a bit rude to do it in someone's collection in casual play though, but more for cabinet bumpage and floor damage than anything else.

IMHO, I would consider anything you can't do to a pin that's hypothetically bolted to the floor is questionable. You can nudge a bolted down pin but you can't slide it around.

Slide saving is cool only if it's your game; otherwise its extremely inconsiderate nudging the table is sufficient enough for controlling the ball.

If you don't like people sliding your games, put something on the feet that makes them hard to move - like rubber feet.

The idea that sliding a game is somehow damaging is preposterous.

I tend to agree that there isn’t any damage that would occur during a slide save unless the game hits something or it doesn’t slide.
If you have the game on carpet or rubber feet hard nudging might’ve slid the game on concrete, but now all that force is transferred to the corners of the machine.

You can't be serious. This is commercial equipment meant for public use. Nobody is going to tear legs off.

Sounds like you need to disable your start button and just dust the games once a week. Wouldn't want to damage them.

Having a tilt bob is important. It will keep all of this from happening.
Stopping players from sliding or lifting a game with a tilt is easier than trying to make everyone agree that sliding a game is cheating

No it's not cheating and it's a skill level some people can shake willy nilly without saving and some can do it and make a nice save. Keep your tilts tight which will make players make more subtle nudges.

I don't think its cheating, but I do think that any barbarian can slide a game around it takes skill to master the nudge.

The big question is - If you slide save on location, do you relevel the machine after your game?

This sounds about right to me.

You shouldn't ask for someone's opinion then degrade them for giving it.

Pinball used to involve gambling, back in my grandpa’s day. The question I would ask, “would the gambling establishment allow it?”

Slide save = thug pinball.

Please explain the damage that occurs.

I have a machine on location and I watched a guy slide it 8-10 inches the other day to save the ball, I laughed.

Anyone slides my EM and they will be shown the door - never to be asked back again.

I would like to see someone "damage" a System 3 Gottlieb tank during a slide. They made those tough.

Would I get kicked out of someone's basement for it, probably.

Would I get kicked out of the IFPA championship for it, no.

Slide Save = Rude <> Cheating

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, since your mind is made up.

Pretend I'm new and please explain it to me. I don't have an engineering degree.

I've death saved my Metallica on a carpet floor more times than you've probably hit the start button and there is absolutely no damage at all.

Who says? You?

It's not cheating because the accepted rules governing tournaments say it isn't cheating. You can slide save the game all day, but if it falls off the rubber feet, you get a big fat 0.

As for an unfair advantage, how do you come up with that conclusion? You're more than welcome to slide save the game if you choose.

Adjust your tilt accordingly.

I don't think you should be able to do that to machines, but if the owner has the machine set up so you can do it without tilting/etc, then it's 'legal'. I set my machines up so that you'll tilt if you do it, and I think that should be the standard at tournaments

Here's my opinion. I doubt you give half a shit about it, though.

1. I don't want players to slide save my games.
2. The solutions are to either make a rule to keep it from happening, tighten my tilts, or add rubber feet to my games.
3. I do the last 2 (with tilts based on what I feel is correct for each machine), and I'm happy with how it works.
4. You apparently do the first one. Totally reasonable.